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Ben Hillyer/The Natchez Democrat — Gwendolyn Marshall teaches a group of seven juvenile justice inmates Monday afternoon in the detention facility’s secure classroom. Artwork with positive messages is painted throughout the facility for inmates to read and consider.

Judge: Detention center is best plan for area teens

Published 12:05am Tuesday, August 30, 2011

NATCHEZ — Youth Court Judge John Hudson said even though the juvenile detention center costs the county, it’s still the best and probably cheapest option for detaining juveniles.

“Of course (the detention center) costs money,” Hudson said. “So does the jail at the police department and so does anything that’s a critical function of government.”

The Adams County Board of Supervisors questioned the financial viability of the center at a budget meeting two weeks ago when the director of the juvenile detention, Glen Arnold, appeared to ask supervisors for funds to give his corrections officers a raise.

The facility, which was completed in 2001, cost nearly $3 million. The county is currently still paying an annual note for its construction.

District 3 Supervisor Thomas “Boo” Campbell said at the meeting the facility is costing money, and the county built it under the impression it would make money.

The county generates $100 a day for every juvenile inmate the facility houses from Franklin, Wilkinson, Jefferson, Claiborne and Amite counties, Arnold said. But he said a nationwide movement to avoid jailing juveniles has cut down on the number of inmates the local facility houses from other counties and locally.

“We did expect that we were going to receive more income from surrounding counties,” Hudson said.

Hudson said when the facility first opened he expected to earn approximately $50,000 a year.

However, in recent years, the county only takes in an approximately $15,000 or $20,000 a year.

Board President Darryl Grennell said at the meeting it might make more sense to send juveniles to Pike County’s juvenile detention center rather than maintain one in Adams County.

Hudson said the county would have to pay approximately $100 a day per inmate to another center in addition to transportation costs for at least three hearings for each inmate.

Hudson said transporting and housing juveniles at another detention center would also be a “logistical nightmare.”

“We would be at the mercy of whoever had a facility,” Hudson said, pointing out at-capacity facilities would refuse to house more inmates.

Hudson said Mississippi has 18 juvenile detention centers. And most cities the size of Natchez or larger either have their own center or a facility located only 15 or 20 miles away, he said.

“We would be the only community of our size that didn’t have an operating (juvenile detention) facility within 40 miles,” Hudson said.

In addition, the Adams County facility also hosts alternative-to-detention programs on the second floor and Adams County Youth Court on the third floor, he said.

Hudson said the programs hosted at the facility, which align with the national movement to avoid locking up juveniles, are funded with grants. But only those counties with detention centers are eligible for the grants.

“Every dime (of the alternative programs is paid) through grants, but we get grants because we have a detention center,” Hudson said. “It’s a catch-22.”

The supervisors heard a report that the juvenile detention center currently houses three inmates. However, Hudson said the average number of inmates the detention center houses is seven a day.

Hudson said legislation that recently went into place should increase the number of juvenile inmates at the center.

The new legislation requires 17-year-olds charged with felonies to be tried in youth court. Previous laws required 17-year-olds charged with felonies to be tried as adults. Hudson said 15- to 17-year-old are the most common offenders.

And since felons are usually violent offenders, they would have to be detained, so the numbers of inmates Adams County will receive will increase locally and from other counties.

Hudson said other than the economic and logistical problems of housing juveniles outside of the county, there are social ramifications of sending young offenders away.

Hudson said he believes keeping juvenile offenders in their community — especially with access to Adams County’s Youth Court’s education programs — allows them to better themselves.

“The bottom line is society wins when we can connect kids to society,” Hudson said.

“The economic thing to do is maintain what we’ve got, as well (it’s the) right thing to do,” he said.

Hudson said the facility was built in effort to comply with a federal law calling for juveniles to be detained out sight and sound of adult inmates.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t see what difference it makes.  Hudson keeps letting these idiots back out on the street as soon as possible, just to have ‘em back in there a week later.

  • Anonymous

    Ah yes THE 7 A’S  1/  Anger…Full of it.  2/  Attitude…plenty of that to go around.  3/  Authority…Don’t want any of that.  4/  Appearance…can’t wait to get out of here to wear my pants to the bottom of my behind.  5/  Association….With my thug friends.  6/  Abstinence….What does that mean, I need to make more babies.  and 7/  Assurance…That I will continue to do what i’m doing right now.  Then i’ll be back in here in a week to start the cycle again.

  • Anonymous

    “… he said a nationwide movement to avoid jailing juveniles…”, yep, and that’s one of the reasons crime rate has increased… a new, upcoming group of thugs are being turned loose every year.  Bleeding heart liberals involved with the court system are just as bad as the hoodlum’s mammies who hold to the line, “MY son wouldn’t do something like that” (speaking of crime).  If they hadn’t committed the crime they wouldn’t be in the system!  WAKE up and smell the roses… they stink!

  • Anonymous

    Since 17 year olds w/felony charges will now be tried in youth court, I assume our expensive facility will become an adult day care where they serve their sentence since they have to be kept out of sight or sound of adult inmates?  With the anticipated increase of juvenile felons, this sounds like promoting future economic development opportunities in Adams County, “keep the taxpayer wolves at bay long enough and something is bound to happen”.  Now, I’m really sure that treating these overgrown babies with kid gloves is really going to change their ways!  Maybe we could use the railroad and send them up to Parchman where they really belong or, since the railroad goes to Brookhaven, they are just right around the corner from McComb’s facility.

  • Anonymous

    So you’d rather pay more money for juveniles and send tax money to another county?

  • Anonymous

    I’d rather not pay a damn cent for these misfits.  If they couldn’t at least behave in public school, much less learn anything, the only thing in their future is bouncing around doing minimum wage jobs, if they even get off their a–es to find one, or Parchman.  At least they’ll be in there with their fine upstanding buds.

  • Anonymous

    OSG, Nailed it!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ham Bone

    “Hudson said transporting and housing juveniles at another detention center would also be a “logistical nightmare.”  Yet he thought other areas were going to send their juvi’s to us?  Sounds like Hudson knew this wasn’t going to work.

    Next, and most importantly, what is the success rate of the Detention Center? Does the dang thing even work?  No sense in supporting it if it doesn’t produce.

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    I say close the detention center and transport these people to McComb. Sell the building to the public and get it on the tax rolls! Another political lies to the public about making money off this juvinile detention center as that of the civic center that is a burden to the beatup taxpayers for a certain few to gain off of!! Also, that of the rec. complex making money that has been researched that it want but it would burden the taxpayers with large debt and law suits if a pool was included with high price libility insurance. There is no money so maybe we can come up with a Mr. Buffett.

  • Anonymous

    Oh it produces allright.  It produces them to go back out on the street and unlearn whatever it is they learn in there.

  • Anonymous

    YOU CAN HEAR IT, SEE IT, FEEL IT, AND SOMETIME TASTE IT; WHEN A PERSON KNOW THERE JOB. I LOVE IT WHEN A PERSON KNOW THERE JOB; AND STAND UP FOR THAT JOB. MY DAD TOLD ME, IF I AM A DITCH DIGGER; BE THE BEST DIGGER. I WOULDN’T KNOW JUDGE HUDSON IF I PASS HIM ON THE STREETS. I PICK UP A LOT ABOUT HIM IN THIS ARTICLE. HE DON’T BITE HIS TONGUE, STRAIGHT FORWARD, CARING, I CAN’T SAY ENOUGH GOOD THINGS ABOUT HIM; I WOULD LOVE TO MEET HIM ONE DAY, I LOVE SITTING AND TALKING WITH: ( LADIES AND MEN ). NOW; BECAUSE OF HARD TIMES, LET START WITH A PAY CUT; STARTING WITH THE MAYOR, AND A FREEZE ON RAISES, FOR THE NEXT TWO YEARS. YOU’LL SHOULDN’T MINE; AT LEAST, YOU’LL STILL WILL HAVE A JOB.          

  • Anonymous

    I’ve learned in the past 30 some odd years if a spokesperson for Natchez says they have an idea for the betterment of Natchez, I just scratch my head and wait b/c in that length of time I have yet to see anything good for Natchez come from their ideas. You would think sooner or later they would get it right !!!  

  • Anonymous

    If you have any teens in this area, you will likely meet him sooner than later nowadays.

  • Anonymous

    Google “flash mob violence” and see the results of treating juvenile offenders with kid gloves.

  • Anonymous

    If you read carefully the judge is saying that the cost to transport would be more than the cost to run the detention center, except that you’d be sending the money out of county

  • Ham Bone

    This is a pet project started by Hudson that he knew wouldn’t work.  He admits it’s a “logistical nightmare” to move inmates to another facility, so why would anyone else send inmates to us?

    Also, does the dang thing work? Are there any success stories?

  • Anonymous

    I guess the reason flash mobs started is because the government isn’t doling out expensive name brand shoes & clothes, electronics, etc. with the medicaid checks and food stamps.  These hoodlums have grown up with EVERYTHING being given to them, so, when they don’t get something they have a desire for, they go take it. The government handouts have been a means to control a large group of people and now it has backfired.  I have absolutely NO PROBLEM with government assistance to the needy, I do, however, have a problem with giving it to the abusers who continue to use the same old line…”Gimme, gimme, gimme.”

  • Anonymous

    i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE STATS ARE(sorry bout the caps) on how many juveniles make it to county after they are are released and get back on the street. I know that the juv det center sends some of the older juveniles to county when they cannot handle them in the det center.  Also a bunch of the juveniles are sent to a great deal of other facilities in the state for rehab and stuff. they need to lower the age not raise it. If you dont right from wrong by the time you are in grade school you ain;t never going to know. Or is it they don’t care??They can blame it on upbringing if they want to,but i have never spent a moment in jail and i was raised by an alcohlic father who beat me when he felt like. So that don’t set well with me.Quit coddling these thugs!!!! 

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    I’m sure we could find a transport that would be reasonable!!

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  • Anonymous

    keep it open

  • Anonymous

    “Hudson said the programs hosted at the facility, which align with the national movement to avoid locking up juveniles, are funded with grants. But only those counties with detention centers are eligible for the grants.”

    —> That’s basically the meat of his argument folks.  If the facility is closed the grants (i.e. free money) go bye-bye.  But I wouldn’t be so inclined to define it as a “catch-22″ as much as I’d label it “taxpayer-theft” in disguise. 

    What I, a land-owning taxpayer, would like to see is the statistics of the “kids” that have completed “training” at this so-called institute have done with themselves thus far.  How many of them have gone on to bigger and better thuggery….how many have actually contributed their time & effort to payback the community?  I believe an audit is in order or does this require an executive closed-door session? 

    And for the record, there is no ”nationwide movement to avoid jailing juveniles”………..It’s called Obama-care.   

  • Anonymous

    A felony is a felony. If you are big enough to commit the crime, go to the big house. If you are going to do something, don’t baby these idiots. Make the detention center so tough that none of these “little children” will ever want to go back. 

  • Anonymous

    I am literally laughing out loud at the irony of this entire article. As a former employee of the Adams County Youth Drug Court, I know for a fact, from first-hand experience, that Judge Hudson does anything in his power to keep these kids OUT of the detention center. On at least a dozen occasions that I can recall off the top of my head, a child/children repeatedly broke house arrest (in which the standard sanction is to be put in the detention center for the number of days the child was originally to be on house arrest) and what was Judge Hudson’s solution? Put them back on house arrest. That really teaches them a lesson, right? If you wonder why these kids are running around, completely fearless of the law and authority in general, look no further than Judge Hudson’s courtroom. He told his staff, on more than one occasion, that there was “no scientific proof” that detention worked better than house arrest when it comes to keeping kids from becoming repeat offenders. Let’s really think that out though. Staying in your cozy home, with your comfy bed and warm, home-cooked meals, friends being able to come and visit with you (and do God only knows what with you) whenever, TV/video games anytime versus the detention center, where you MUST go to class, are on a very strict schedule, and are not treated like a baby? I don’t know about anyone else, but if I was a kid, I would take house arrest any day over staying in the detention center! It is so incredibly frustrating for the staff who works day in and day out with the kids, legitimately cares about them and WANTS them to have an opportunity to better themselves. If that has to be done through tough love, then that’s how it has to be done. But repeatedly slapping these kids on the wrist because you don’t feel like dealing with them in the detention center, then telling the entire town how much we need a detention center makes a mockery out of the entire juvenile justice system in Adams County. It is sad and I truly hope, for those children’s AND the entire Miss-Lou’s sake, that someone runs against Judge Hudson in the next election and actually has the guts to punish these kids effectively for their crimes instead of turning a blind eye to them and hoping they just go away.

  • Anonymous

    BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    so tru

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1021194653 Matthew House

    Keeping kids in the community is a fine first step, but the next step needs to be using juvenile detention centers more selectively.  It costs too much to lock up kids who aren’t a threat to themselves or others.  Rehabilitation, counseling, education, and treatment (provided the kid doesn’t pose a risk to himself or the community) are four to 20 times cheaper and six to eight times more effective at reducing rates of recidivism.

  • Anonymous

    After re-reading the title of this article “Judge: Detention Center is best plan for area teens” and reading all the comments on the drive by shooting article,  I think I agree with the judge if he is referring to all area teens, they don’t seem to be getting discipline at home.

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