The Natchez Democrat

“That means 60 percent are stumbling into the job market ill equipped to be productive workers and ever have a shot at realizing the American Dream.”
A good editorial but I take exception to that bit.  A degree equips no one to be a productive worker, it is simple a statement of completion of a formalized course of study at an accredited institution.  Ability and skill earn money.  All degrees are not equal.  I have an associates and still make more and find it easier to get work than people with Masters in education, psychology etc.  I have high-school drop-out friends who make even more than me, some of them twice as much.  They took it upon themselves to acquire skills, though, and have admirable work ethics.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, we are in the big middle of an education bubble in this nation.  Government coercion of 100% participation causes the bubbles and the inability to gain a return on that foolish investment causes a crash.  Be forewarned.

Well spoken, I also had a similar career, middle range grades in college, gained a BS and worked for the same company for a 27 year career, moved into management quite early on due to my work ethic and common sense, and then managed the careers of lots of very high GPA people working for me.  I could outthink many of the engineers working for the company solving issues they couldn’t comprehend with their mechanical brains.  As you say, educating everyone just to have degreed people is not the answer.  We should identify the potential rocket scientists and educate them accordingly, identify the higher level achievers e.g. doctors, lawyers, etc. and educate them accordingly,  identify those who make valuable contrbutions and get them to work sooner rather than pursuing a higher level expensive degree that will not benefit them, and identify those tradespeople that can build all the infrastructure.  If I stop and think, isn’t that what the current system does???

I’ve known college grads that doesn’t know how to screw in a light bulb, doesn’t know when their car won’t start because the tanks empty, talk about dumb I’ve know a lot of dumb college grads with high degrees but little learning and good common sense. It’s not the answer to America’s problem. It’s quite the opposite..   

Obviously, college didn’t agree with whoever wrote this article.  He/she lacks crtical thinking.  Obama is absolutley correct in that whoever wants to go to college should have that right.  Our country’s future lies in the hands of an educated public.  The last thing a newspaper editorial should do is tell people they don’t need no education!  Hey Natchez Democrat leave our kids alone!

“Obviously, college didn’t agree with whoever wrote this article.  He/she
lacks crtical thinking.  Obama is absolutley correct in that whoever
wants to go to college should have that right.”

Do you even know what “critical thinking” is?  No, you do not.  If you did, you could have never come to the conclusion that a college education is a “right”.  No such right exists nor can exist. You have no right to the fruits of anyone’s labor.

“The last thing a newspaper editorial should do is tell people they don’t need no education!”

Critical thinkers do not equate an opinion that taxpayers should not be footing the bill for everyone’s college experience with the completely fabricated notion that they don’t need an education.

“Our country’s future lies in the hands of an educated public.”

Critical thinkers know that “education” is a blanket term that means nothing.  You could hold a PhD in Aramaic and you would be all but unemployable.  I can go through paramedic technical school and get a good job tomorrow.

Nodding your head in agreement with nonsensical, feel-good tripe is hardly “critical thinking.

I didn’t say we had to foot the bill, Crak head.  We should be encouraging anyone and everyone who wants to go to college.  Do you have children?  Do you tell your children, “Don’t worry about going to college.”  I can’t believe people can be so selfish.

Who do you want deciding whether you are good enough to go to college?

“We should be encouraging anyone and everyone who wants to go to college.”

Why?  Should we really be encouraging people to go to school for 4 years and get “international studies” degrees or other liberal arts degrees that prepare them for nothing?  College does not equal education does not equal success.  I’ve been to college.  I’ve seen the class-time wasted on slugs who should have never been there.  I spent the first two years reliving high-school, socially and academically, in the schools attempts to get those who should have never set foot on a colletge campus up to speed with the rest of us.  It is a waste.

Just because you want something does not mean you are entitled to it or deserving of it.  If my child does well enough to EARN a place at a university, I’m all for it and I will pay for it if she is out of scholarship range.  That is me, though, and my family making our own private decisions.  Obama might be well advised to mind the economy and leave educating our children to us.

I think the SAT and other gauges are pretty good hints, the financial ability of the parents and/or the ability to borrow the money is paramount, and, of course, acceptance to a college based on the application process often provides good results.  Just shoving someone into college thinking the liberal arts degree mentioned elsewhere and a “free” degree paid by the government are signs of poor results.  You are leaning to a resolution for the quandary that the entitlement nation visited it upon themselves to have children out of wedlock, were poorly educated themselves, had no or low paid jobs throughout their lives, and aspire in some cases to a free higher education for those children.  News — higher education is not an entitlement.

I don’t think the colleges and universities are going to change their standards for accepting students.  President Obama is not trying to make it mandatory for everyone to go to college.  He just wants to make sure that everyone that can get accepted has that chance.  It’s like getting all upset because the First Lady believes it important to feed children healthy food, but you are not going to go to jail if you raise your child to be a 500 lbs.  It is just something to aspire to and help with.  I guess some people will argue with the president if he said the sky is blue.  That’s why we need education!

We won’t have much of an economy in the future if we don’t stress to our children how important education is.  Don’t worry Crak head.  No one is going to send education police after you.

Well folks My President Obama don’t hold back on a subject cause its unpopular and that what I like about him. I remember going to college with less than $100.00 a month but I had a athletic scholorship. My oldest son graduated at La Tech as a civil & enviromental engineer that has his PE masters. But Ms. State was going to cost the Wife & I $2500.00 more than we paying the out of state tuition and him going to Tech . I mailed my case to Thad Cothern and Trent Lott why a resident of the state of Ms. can do as our son cheaper going to a La. University and you know I never heard from these big Whigs(Republican) Ms. state Congressman!! Yes, The Feds need to cut federal aid to the schools, universities, for their tuition and housing is way out of line and I hope Obama gets the ball rolling on this matter!!!!! The  Heads of the Universities, Proffessors, and teachers are being paid way too much just as our public schools here in Adams County!!! I know that this is debateable but this is truth and factS!!??

Anyone who wants to go to college at any age can go. But there are many things he or she must make up their minds to do. one is to pay for it. that may even mean get a job or even two jobs. Yes there are jobs out there,Kids have no work ethics therefore they will pick the easiest subjects ,usually worthless in the job market. I have watched so many parents struggle to send little mary to college only to see her quit with no degree and a passel of art appreciation and such and get married and that would be that.

“We won’t have much of an economy in the future if we don’t stress to our children how important education is”

That makes absolutely no sense.  Did you even read my last post?  You equate education with going to college.  Meanwhile, college grads are unemployed, waiting tables or working outside of their degree fields all over the nation.

You are a parrot.  You repeat things, never understanding what they mean.  You are incapable of the critical thinking you say others lack.  In short, you are dense so let me see if I can get it through your thick skull.

GOING TO COLLEGE DOES NOT MEAN YOU GOT AN EDUCATION IN ANYTHING THAT WILL EARN YOU A LIVING!!!!!

Education, in the manner that people like you use the term, in and of itself isn’t important.  Learning marketable skills, a decent work ethic and excelling at both ARE important.

Many of those OWS slugs are griping because they did what you say and can’t get jobs.  “I borrowed all this money to go to college and got a degree in Womyn’s Studies with a Minor in German Art and now the only place that’ll hire me is Burger King.  Well, shocker.  You didn’t get an education, you just spent 4 years in college wasting someone else’s money.

“…they don’t need no education.”

Shouldn’t that read they don’t need an education? Answer — Yes.

“He just wants to make sure that everyone that can get accepted has that chance.”

They already do have that chance and I have seen literally thousands throw it away.  The day after Pell Grant refund time, our college campus population would drop to half.  There are far more people who go for that reason than those who want to go and cannot.

You don’t know anyone like that.  Don’t make this about politics.  I am talking about taking care of the children.  You obviously don’t care.  We can agree to disagree.

Wrong on every level

Wrong, our government does not owe a thing to anybody

So your right on everything on your level??!! I’m not a yes person and I’m not a fool!!

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NatchezMS1978 wrote, in response to khakirat:
Wrong on every level

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Know how many flies it takes to screw in a light bulb?
Two.
But how did they get in there?

The Chinese would take issue with that.

When you’re right…you’re right.

However, my post was meant to refer to the “entitlement” nation….the leaches living off the hard work and tax dollars of others.