Ben Hillyer | The Natchez Democrat Mayor-elect Larry L. “ Butch” Brown, right, and Ward 1 alderwoman Joyce Arceneaux-Mathis see eye to eye Tuesday afternoon while discussing numerous issues that will be facing the city in the coming weeks.

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Mayor-elect, aldermen strive to see eye to eye

Published 12:15am Wednesday, June 20, 2012

NATCHEZ — The recently elected mayor and board of aldermen met Tuesday to discuss issues facing the city to ensure they hit the ground running when they take office July 2.grains

Mayor-elect Larry L. “Butch” Brown hosted the four-hour retreat at Monmouth. Brown said the retreat will help set the stage early for consensus on the board for the next four years.

Ben Hillyer | The Natchez Democrat Natchez mayor-elect Larry L. "Butch" Brown and the new board of aldermen met in a retreat at Monmouth Plantation Tuesday.

Brown told the aldermen that he intends on informing the board of issues that will be voted on at meetings in plenty of time for the aldermen to fully educate themselves on agenda items. Brown said whatever the issue, he and the board will strive to get a consensus so situations do not arise in public meetings.

“We will be unified and harmonious, mannerly and courteous (in our meetings),” Brown said. “We’ll always be working toward a consensus. There may be a time or two that it won’t happen, but at least we will have talked about it and understand each other ahead of time.”

Brown and the aldermen discussed Robert’s Rules of Order for public meetings, the importance of clear and concise motions and voicing opinions in an orderly fashion to shorten the length of meetings and help change public perception of the way the meetings are run.

Brown asked the aldermen to be “scratching your heads” on the city’s engineering department contract, which would be a big decision the board would soon have to make.

The board recently extended its contract with Natchez Water Works for engineering services until the end of July.

The City of Natchez and Natchez Water Works entered into an interlocal agreement seven years ago that contracted Water Works to provide an engineering department for the city. The seven-employee department is headed by David Gardner, who was the city engineer before resigning to work for Water Works and who now serves as de facto city engineer under the contract.

Brown reminded the aldermen that the city owns Natchez Water Works, which he said is a valuable and profitable asset to the city.

Along with discussion of the structure of the engineering department, Brown made recommendations to reorganize some city departments to address personnel vacancies, such as the positions of city planner and assistant city planner. Natchez City Planner Bob Nix will retire at the end of the month.

Brown also said he wanted to streamline and change the way the planning department handles dilapidated housing and overgrown lots. Brown said he wants to see the police department issue citations for litter or overgrown grass as it once did.

Brown said when he took office in 1992, the city was $510,000 overdrawn at the bank. He said the only way the city was able to make up $400,000 of that money was to collect fines from police-issued citations for litter and overgrown grass.

Ward 4 Alderman Ernest “Tony” Fields asked how the board could address the issue of absentee owners. Brown said adding the fines to the owners’ property taxes would more than likely be most effective.

Brown suggested the aldermen annually rotate the position of mayor pro tem based on seniority. Ward 1 Alderwoman Joyce Arceneaux-Mathis currently serves as mayor pro tem, and Ward 2 Alderman James “Rickey” Gray would be next in line.

Brown also suggested that the aldermen rotate the committees of which they are in charge.

Brown made the following recommendations for committees, he said, based on the experience and expertise of each aldermen.

-Ward 1 Alderwoman Joyce Arceneaux-Mathis: Natchez Fire Department

-Ward 2 Alderman James “Rickey” Gray: Police

-Ward 3 Alderwoman-elect Sarah Carter Smith: Health and Utilities

-Ward 4 Alderman Ernest “Tony” Fields: Streets

-Ward 5 Alderman Mark Fortenbery: Recreation

-Ward 6 Alderman Dan Dillard: Public properties

Brown also asked the aldermen’s thoughts on annexing property into the city. Brown cited Hattiesburg, whose city limits extend to the county line, as a booming town in Mississippi.

Brown and the aldermen agreed that the city needs to find ways to be more business-friendly and keep businesses in the city.

Brown also said he does not believe the city is collecting all its sales taxes from local businesses. He said the mayor and board used to receive monthly reports on licenses granted to businesses in the city, which he said aided the city is making sure sales tax was collected from all businesses.

Brown also suggested the board try to coincide the expiration of its garbage collection and disposal contracts with the county’s contracts. He said he believes getting the same contract or both the city and county putting out bids at the same time would keep garbage rates competitive.

Brown and the new board of aldermen will take office July 2 in a ceremony in the Natchez City Council Chambers.

 

 

  • Anonymous

    I expect several different opinions to be voiced.  Please reach your ‘consensus’ in the open, as it’s all about transparency.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LEEP3CEWCGQHQUS5CXAYH7LS34 john

    Brown basically said, Let’s get everything figured out before the meeting so the Public won’t know about it. We don’t want the little people to know what we are doing. We can go in the alley and fight so the public can’t see what idiots some of us are. There you go Natchez, transparency just went straight out the window and we are having back room meetings again.

  • Anonymous

    Hattiesburg city limits reach to the county line for a reason – other than just to collect tax money from rural county residents.  When you grow the city to reach the county line, come back to talk to us then, and bring along your sewer systems, etc.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CNEGJEREYHUI5BRK2QOT4GXCNI Big

    Also I think the ground rules are being laid here.  Joyce- Please get that frog look off your face.  I can see it now / hear it……Loud cause you think you must be heard.  CHILL OUT! Enjoy your position and DO THE RIGHT THINGS. Everybody needs to work together to make NATCHEZS aBETTER Place!

  • Anonymous

    With regard to the other coast article, how much is this retreat costing the city?

  • Anonymous

    Uh, isn’t this a clear violation of the open meetings act?  There is an obvious quorum here.  Was the public notified of this meeting?

  • Anonymous

    You can tell a lot about people by their blogs. Wow. Anyway, I commend our mayor-elect on this precursory kick-off effort. I’m surprised. I didn’t live here when he was mayor before, so I was unaware of his motivation…something that’s needed. He apparently knows how to get things done, and that’s encouraging. Now, the business end of things (that affects the public) should be conducted in public meeting, but it seems that what was conducted here should not be grounds for one of the “doing things behind closed doors in secret” remarks. This is just laying the groundwork for HOW to conduct business. I’m so glad to see he reviewed and is determined to adhere to the rules of conduct all professional meetings should go by. There needs to be a moderator, or a system of control such as this. Official meetings are not barbecue discussions, it’s using time wisely to accomplish business the public is concerned with. HOW they conduct it, as in rules of order and agreements of cooperation and discipline should be okay for conducting outside the public view. In fact, the way I see it, it’s saving the time of those attending and viewing these meetings, because they’ve got things worked out some already. Every workplace has discussions to help business flow better, and I think this is one long overdue. I’m impressed, Butch Brown! Aldermen, be committed to quality and efficiency, and leave emotions at home. Great start, all of you. Thank you!

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    Yea, Mr. Hall was upset with Brown wanting to remoldel and refurnish his floor in the two year old Ms. highway building!! City folks better get your purses ready with green backs for the next four years is going to be high dollars!! As far as annexing  this is out of the picture for the city can’t take care of what they got much less to gain more!! Charging fines to taxpayer is ridiculus for the city needs to fine its self for the high grass and trash thru out the city!! Time will tell the story and it will get interesting!! Lawyers should be busy with city conflicts the next four years that will be costly to the city folks so girt yourselfs up for the ride!!

  • Anonymous

    I see the picture as her throwing her hands up to say “I’ll have none of that”!

  • Anonymous

    It’ll all be over soon. Enjoy your taxpayer funded vacation to the beach.

  • Anonymous

    You’ll learn in due time.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/LEEP3CEWCGQHQUS5CXAYH7LS34 john

    As you said, you weren’t here before. You will see how it works before long, take a deep breath and remain calm.

  • Anonymous

    Go Butch!!  They don’t know what just hit them.  Finally a mayor who knows what needs to be done and isn’t afraid to do it!!

  • Anonymous

    I feel the same way, go get it done “Butch”.

  • Sullivan Lawson

    Was obviously an open and informal  meeting.  If not so, then why was the Democrat there covering it?  Butch can’t call a meeting.  He isn’t even the Mayor yet.  You shouldn’t be sharing your opinions, you haven’t even been to work since the election where you have already been voted into The Hall of Shame.

  • Anonymous

    I SEE MR BROWN IS GOING AFTER OR PRETENDING TO GO AFTER THE BUSINESS IN THE CITY. MR BROWN ALSO WANT’S FULL CONTROLL OVER HOW PEOPLE CONDUCT THEMSELVES AT THE MEETINGS. HE WANTS EVERYTHING SOLVED BEFORE GOING ON THE AIR. THE NEXT THING HE WILL WANT IS TO> CUT THE AIR TIME OUT< SO HE WILL BE ABLE TO WORK HIS MO-JO BETTER. WELL I HAVE TO TELL YOU MR BROWN THIS IS 2012, PEOPOLE DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS AT MEETINGS ALL ACROULD THE GLOBE. TRYING TO PREP FOR MEETINGS TO MAKE YOU LOOK GOOD WANT WORK. MRS ARCENEAUS-MATHIS KEEP HIS FEET TO THE FIRE. HE'S NO MORE THAN A MAN TRYING TO MAKE A PAY CHECK.

  • Anonymous

    WOW!  LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT’SONEOFTHEBESTONESYET>><<

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    You have got to be out of your mind!!!

  • Anonymous

    Mayor Brown simply wants each alderman educated on the issues at hand before the meetings.  In the business world it is called an agenda.  I don’t think he is saying they will decide anything behind closed doors.  Just be ready for the meetings and be ready to conduct them in a respectful well educated way.

  • Anonymous

    You obviously have ZERO clue as to how our open meetings laws are defined.  This is a clear violation unless the public was somehow informed about it before the meeting.  There is a quorum present of CURRENT aldermen.  This is a violation.  Sorry, facts are facts.  I’m not mad about it nor do I care as nobody in Natchez seems to care about these things, just pointing out the obvious.  Didn’t say they were trying to hide anything, just saying by definition this is a violation and the city could be cited for such.

  • Anonymous

    I was just saying what he did was a good idea…if they weren’t discussing business. As one poster said, he’s not mayor yet.

    And at the risk of raising hackles, I’ll tell ya that I liked what Furlow was bringing to the table, and I had heard a few rumors about Brown that made me wary. I figured (and it happened) that Natchez would go back to someone just because they knew him from before. On the bright side, I hope he manages to make some changes that will improve our town…but hopefully won’t run us out with higher taxes to pay for it…assuming that’s how things work here. I’m praying, y’all. I’d encourage you to join me.

  • Anonymous

    And Jake 08 should know.

  • Anonymous

    Why dont they just go behind closed doors and to each other what they have been doing and will continue to do us, I am sure they can find common ground that way.

  • Anonymous

    How about educating themselves on fracking. for oil at Arlington. Let the tremors began.

  • Anonymous

    This is why they are required to have public meetings, so the city can see the decision making process.  The board members should not be able to discuss agenda items with other board members beforehand and then just all go in and vote.  I don’t think that will happen because it will raise hell.  It’s unfortunate that the aldermen this last session acted so hostile and beligerent.  It is uncalled for and immature.  Roberts Rules of Order can take care of that but it cannot take away some one from being rude.  If people see the way their alderman act and don’t like it that’s probably going to be his/her last year in office.

  • Anonymous

    I appreciate Joyce’s participation immensely in these meetings.  She gets things clarified.  If it were not for her questions about the issues we and rest of the aldermen wouldn’t know what to do.  She fights for her ward and that is what she does but she is far from rude about it, just matter of fact.  All the aldermen and women should be as engaged as she is.  She’s what you want on your side.

  • Anonymous

    LOL !!  A good one, John!

  • Anonymous

    I ABSOLUTELY  agree with you, Eaglenatchez. As far as I know, there was NO mention of the meeting in the paper or radio. Was anyone= besides the paper- informed of this meeting. But of course, this violation will just be accepted by the masses.
    And I wonder- now that the election is over, does Brown RESIDE IN the city, or IN the county? Food for thought.

  • Anonymous

    I read your post, again, Eaglenatchez. You are dead-right. A quorum was present of the SITTING aldermen. A violation HAS occured.

  • Anonymous

    Where has it been said they intend to frac, other than your comments?

  • Anonymous

    what makes you think they will frac it???  

  • Anonymous

    CAN’TWEHAVEAREQUIREMENTTOUSEENGLISHONTHISFORUM???????????

  • Anonymous

    A June 6 article in the Democrat quoted Brown saying that this meeting was planned.

  • Anonymous

    Good point. Making me re-think a little.  And I have to say,bourbongrits, that I APPRECIATE the way you responded to my post, with info and tact. You didn’t throw insults or  were rude.  You showed great class. I really feel that is how we should be here- an exchange of thoughts, opinions and ideas without calling each other names.( I have been guilty myself, at times) Hooray for civility!

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