Ben Hillyer | The Natchez Democrat John Hooker and his brother Johnny “Boy” Hooker walk back to their car parked in one of the few legal parking spaces at Natchez Under-the-Hill.

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City cracking down on illegal parking at Natchez Under-the-Hill

Published 12:29am Wednesday, August 1, 2012

NATCHEZ — The City of Natchez has recently begun cracking down on illegal parking at Natchez Under-the-Hill, dredging up the longstanding question of what to do about the limited riverfront parking.

Natchez Police Chief Danny White said the police department started strictly enforcing no-parking zones Under-the-Hill about a month ago.

“We’ve been getting complaints, so the first couple of weeks, we put warnings on (illegally parked) cars,” White said. “For about two weeks now, we have been writing tickets.”

Ben Hillyer | The Natchez Democrat — A car is parked illegally along a wooden fence built along Silver Street.

White said the department will continue to write tickets as long as drivers are illegally parked on Silver Street, mainly, he said, because it is a safety issue.

“If an emergency vehicle comes down there, it’s basically blocked,” White said.

White said a parking ticket carries a $25 fine.

Mayor Butch Brown said he talked to White before the two officials were sworn about enforcing parking Under-the-Hill.

“It’s too narrow down there for people to park against that (wooden) fence,” Brown said.

The wooden fence was erected by Under-the-Hill property owner James Biglane after he tore down Wharf Master’s House restaurant. Brown said the city provided the no-parking signs for the fence instead of putting up signs on poles.

“It was already posted for no parking for many, many years,” Brown said.

The recent ticketing, Brown said, is not a money-making endeavor by the city, it is an attempt to keep Silver Street accessible for emergency vehicles and safe for patrons and merchants.

No parking is allowed down the hill until after the private parking lot for The Landing, which closed in June. That lot is chained off and not for public use.

White encouraged drivers to pay close attention to the no-parking signs Under-the-Hill so they can know where to park. White said there is no parking along the wooden fence.

The parking lot for Magnolia Grill is designated for restaurant customers and locks at 10 p.m.

Denton Biglane, whose family owns property Under-the-Hill said the electric gate at Magnolia Grill has been up for several years, but he said there have been problems in the past with people cutting the wires or otherwise breaking the gate.

“Parking has always been an issue down there ever since I can remember,” he said.

With a number of patrons Under-the-Hill, especially late at night and on weekends, and limited parking, Biglane said parking Under-the-Hill is a complicated problem.

Andre Farish, owner of Under-the-Hill Saloon, said limited parking Under-the-Hill has been a problem for him since the saloon opened in 1975.

Farish said the recent ticketing for illegal parking has spurred complaints from saloon patrons.

“(The complaints are) sometimes it’s enforced and sometimes it’s not, and when it is, it makes people angry,” Farish said.

Farish said he plans to set up a meeting with Brown to try to work out a solution.

Brown said a shuttle service may be something the city needs to look at to alleviate the illegal parking situation on Silver Street.

“A shuttle certainly wouldn’t hurt anything,” Brown said. “Back years ago we did run shuttles down there, but patrons really did not choose to use them.”

Brown said the city could look into having a shuttle carry patrons Under-the-Hill from other parking areas not as a for-profit service, he said, but just to cover costs.

“I would certainly like to see the shuttle service back and have it where — not to make it a profit — but make it such that we could pay for it,” he said.

Brown said he thought perhaps Under-the-Hill merchants could offer incentives for patrons for a free ride Under-the-Hill.

The Isle of Capri Casino currently offers a shuttle service for its patrons from the parking lot up to the hill from the casino.

 

 

  • Anonymous

    Tourist trap. Mo money from out of town.

  • Anonymous

    Call a wrecker to take them to an impound lot. Madison St., Linton Ave and many more have the same problem.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/2XGO6JCKDMT7227QNLMCA64A3A J.

    No Parking means No Parking.  Just have to be smarter than a No Parking Sign to understand.

  • Anonymous

    OK we have a situation of no parking because every business down their wants to claim it for themselves….  aside from the street there is really no where to park. The restaurants want to corner the market for parking for their customers and don’t want to share  the few parking lots BUT some of those same patrons for the saloon also go to the  restaurants…people are not going to leave the restaurant and then move their car  just to go to the saloon…. seriously? it’s not like these places are long distances apart. Why are there so many no parking signs down there? I can see because of the fire hydrants but when you are dealing with that limited of a space it is insane to have up all those NO Parking signs….. it would seem that the restaurants would share the parking with each other since they are all right there together and knowing parking is extremely limited. People are just not going to pay for a shuttle service….first of all it is hot and during the winter months cold and rainy…. who wants to sit out there for 10 – 15 minutes at a time and then have to pay for a shuttle to take you to your car? That shuttle could be the thing that will make some say it is not worth it and just no go under the hill at all …. then they will just eventually close all those businesses. People are tired of the nickle and dime crap. The city needs to intervene and  come to a decision that is in favor of ALL the business owners and patrons… Maybe instead of private parking why not have the city own the parking and everyone allowed to use it? Many times i have been down there and people parked up the street when there is a parking lot sitting there roped off an vacant…Before they get too carried away with this they best stop and think about what and how they move on this…. it could be the very businesses located there’s very existence. Maybe they could removes those trees and make even a small lot there for say 10- 15 cars but DO NOT make it a private lot?…. that would more than likely take those who do park on the street off so emergency vehicles could pass should they need be and still allow cars to pass without impeding the flow of traffic. But personally the only fair thing to do is to really not allow private parking because of the already shortage of parking.

  • Anonymous

    It is amazing how Natchez is influenced and find ways to hurt local businesses. The riverfront is one of the very few things Natchez has to offer to tourist and the few people that still live here. One would think the local government would have bigger issues to resolve around town that suddenly deciding they need to punish paying customers and one of the few small businesses left under the hill. 

  • Anonymous

    Maybe if the chain was taken down blocking access to the parking lot that sits next to the defunct Natchez Landing more space would be provided to locals and tourists alike.  But that’s just common sense.

  • Anonymous

    So you want these businesses, who have paid to have their parking lot constructed, paid to have liability insurance on the lot and pay to have someone clean and maintain the parking lot to just turn it over for public use?  I don’t think so.  They have every right to fence off and/or gate their lots.  If you don’t want your car ticketed, it’s easy.  Either park legally or park in the casino lot and ride the bus down.  Don’t fault the businesses that have worked to provide parking for their customers in order to make their business thrive.

  • Anonymous

    If you really wanna crackdown on illegal parking, drive down South Union Street.  You could make a killing.  Cars are parked on the sidewalks, cars parked where it says no parking from here to corner.  Pretty amazing.  It’s like trying to navigate an obstacle course.

  • Anonymous

    Well, she does have a point.  Many other places use community parking for riverfront, beachfront, etc.  That would actually require businesses UTH to *gasp* work together, though.  In that small an area it makes no sense for each business to have its own dedicated parking.

  • Anonymous

    So where are they supposed to put their customers when the customers from the boat fill up their lot?

  • Anonymous

    One thing I have not heard mentioned. Back when the boat “Lady Luck” first came to town, the city of Natchez created a special development zone for Under The Hill. This zone, states requirements for the number of “dedicated” parking spots each business Under The Hill is,required to have to get a business license.

  • Anonymous

    BIGLANE

  • Anonymous

    If the people that come to gamble would park in the parking lot provided and use the shuttle….we would have PLENTY of parking available.
    They are the problem!.  I’ve watch while sitting in the resturant….it’s actually pretty funny to see.
    These people are so excited to get to the boat they park and leave their vehicle really fast….right to the boat.  I would imagine a
    parking ticket will help with this and have wondered why they have not been ticketing and towing.   Fair is Fair  fines collected should
    go to the city.  Short term for the tourist should always be available.  not sure how to address Bar folks.  Of course most of
    the Bar regulars should not be driving anyway……..that would help with that problem!

  • Anonymous

    If you put yourself into the owners of the “very valuble parking lots” you might understand.  There would be no space for the owners own custermers to park for lunch or dinner.  So he would lose out….There is a huge parking lot above with a FREE shuttle that runs all day and
    night….and to hear anyone talk about cutting doen tress just makes me sad!!

  • Anonymous

     Well, my point is that the problem is that each business has “their” lot.  There should be community parking for the whole of UTH.  Threatening people with tickets because the local businesses do not have enough parking spaces to accommodate peak hours only serves to damage business and revenues and ultimately discourages people from going down there.  The businesses there are going to have to learn to work together on this.

  • Anonymous

    Why is Butch Brown genuflecting to the Biglane’s?  Were the Biglane’s a large campaign contributor to Butch Brown?
    Biglane said parking under-the-hill is a complicated problem. Yet the Biglanes won’t sell, rent, or lease ANY of the parking lots or potential parking lots to the city? But let’s spend money on a Bus depot, Pecan factory site, etc. 

  • Anonymous

     Well in that same aspect didn’t Lady Luck buy that lot and pay for the upkeep for casino  customers? Those shuttles have Lady Luck on them not  silver street bus line… they provide the shuttle for casino patrons not silver street patrons? so isn’t telling everyone to park at the casino and shuttle down at the casino’s expense is the same as asking restaurants to share their parking lot’s????…. I suppose since the Casino has more money  they are supposed to take up the slack for  others.and in all fairness they restaurant customers could do the same thing…. whats good for one is good for the other. I am sure that some of those same people who go to the casino also go to the other businesses on silver street and if the casino those to they could make the same argument against the restaurants on silver street.. And yes it is not good to have to cut down tree’s but it may be the only solution if businesses under the hill do not learn to work together in an otherwise  difficult situation…. it is not like there is a lot of land left there to make parking….. and all it is going to take is these restrictions to keep being implied before  businesses will start to close…. so from what you and the others are saying… just because they bought and paid for the parking lot’s then we aint gonna come to a logical solution instead we gonna act an ass and let the cards fall where they may? in that case they will all be out of business and those lot’s won’t be helping or needed any longer silver street will cease to exist. Everyone who put’s a business down there knows parking is a big problem and not for just one business but ALL businesses. All it will take is a few businesses to start folding and the rest will follow because people are fed up with bs like this.. it it becomes too big a problem they will stop coming….. 

  • Anonymous

     Again same argument as I mentioned before…. The Casino could use the same argument against the restaurants….They bought  and paid for their lots pays for maintenance and shuttles pays for the fuel and drivers for the CASINO NOT  OTHER SILVER STREET BUSINESSES…. what’s fair for one is fair for all… everyone knows what a nightmare parking is under the hill but instead of working together they sound like a rich spoiled ass kids who can’t share and get alone…. and everyone wonders why this town is going to hell in a hand basket?????

  • Anonymous

    Dovechase,  please it is not boat patrons who are taking the parking spaces…. have you ever thought that just maybe it is people going to the restaurant and having a meal and then going  to the boat? Some of those same people from the boat who use the casino parking lot I am sure go to some of the restaurants around there… they sure aint complaining about that are they?   people who go to silver street to view the river  take pics and who is to say they wont park at one restaurants  parking lots yet go to another to eat? people are not going to move their car every time to got to a different business down there… parking is extremely limited and its too close not to walk so when they find a spot they stay there and walk…. this is common sense. It seems to me that it would make more sense for the businesses to get together share the expenses and the maintenance and let everyone park considering the situation rather than everyone being an ass about it. i personally do not see how every business can afford to have their own parking? it would limit some businesses to less than 10 vehicles and they sure as hell can’t make a living off that..

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you have not been down there in a while but even with all the people who go to the boat there is still not enough parking for people who go UTH.. It is their life and money if they want to gamble with it then so be it… its revenue for the city because without those people going to the boat…. there would be a lot less money for the town. Like crakalakin said they need t stop being so selfish and childish and learn to work for the common good of everyone and  share to make it less of a problem because if the ticket thing keeps up… people will sure stop going then parking will no longer be an issue for anyone down there. And the shuttle for silver street is still gonna be a problem because A.- where are they gonna park? what use the Casino’s parking lot again? and B- it is not going to be for free, so it will cost people to go under the hill. Which I am sure many will not pay to go. I know I won’t!

  • Anonymous

    What some of you seem to be missing is…. 1- people from out of town do not know the situation with under the hill and how damn unreasonable SOME business owners are UTH  about the parking… 2- the shuttle they are talking about is not going to be free. the only FREE one is for the CASINO patrons. AND if I were the casino I would be an ass and not let them use my parking lot to shuttle down silver street patrons simply because of the way the business owners have acted …3- There is still no parking for the silver street people to meet the shuttle even if they did do that which again leads  me to the question of… I suppose they plan on using the casino’s lot? which aint right by the way!…  4-The no parking signs make it impossible to park there if you cant use the parking lots because they belong to a particular business and can’t park on the street for the NO PARKING signs and everything else is full that leaves little to no choice. You are damned if you do and damned if you don’t….
    It is amazing that all this time people have parked  and done what they needed and there was never a problem, other than finding a place to park, until they started buying lots and making them private parking… now it has turned into a three ring circus….NOW DO YOU SEE THE PROBLEM HERE????

  • Anonymous

    I would be willing to bet that the Biglane’s would rent some of their parking. No one has ever offered to pay for it. Every one wants to use it for free. They want the Biglane’s to accept all the liability, maintence costs, and all the problems for free. No wonder they block their parking they paid for.

  • Anonymous

    Isle of Capri Lot is owned by Biglane also. 10 k a month last I Heard. Parking is and always has been an issue UTH

  • Anonymous

    If people parked where they are suppose to there really wouldn’t be a problem….think about it.  The Casino has it’s own parking lot with a free shuttle.
    Magnolia Grill has it’s own parking lot.  The restaurant that hopefully will come has it’s own valuable parking lot.  The under the hill saloon has…well they have what is left.  I know that bar patrons park along the right side of silver street starting at the bar and on up towards town.  There doesn’t seem to be a problem with that.  And the bar patrons park in the boat landing area.  Everybody needs to just read the signs and do a little walking. Or take a cab.
    Or carpool.  now next………..

  • Anonymous

    no i didn’t say everybody park in the casino parking lot…..I want the gamblers or visitors for the casino to park in the provided parking lot.  And employees of the casino to park in their lot.  

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you are a bar patron or a gambler….I work under the hill and everyday watch gamblers park in the “No Parking” places.  They leave their cars in the same parking spot for hours.  Sometimes squeezing into a spot they can’t fit in and their car is sticking out into the street….These gamblers are the ones that come all the time and think they don’t have to follow the same rules everyone else does.
    Believe me I’ve seen it over and over.  
    The business owners of the parking lots have every right to monitor the parking in their own parking lot.  This talk of sharing and selfish is insane. That talk isn’t going to get the problem solved at all.   

  • Anonymous

    Your idea is just not going to work.  Food business need the spaces at lunch and dinner and you can’t open it up to casino or bar because it will leave no available parking for the restaurant customers when needed… period. Just the way it is.  

  • Anonymous

    It is a interesting problem when we bring up that someone might eat at magnolia and then go to the bar. Or what ever the combo might be.  I guess if you start at the restaurant and then go to the casino it’s ok as long as you get your car out by 10:00 or whenever the security gate closes for the lot.  

  • Anonymous

    so where are the saloon customers supposed to park? it is a business…. do they not deserve to have a place for their customers to park? I do not care what business it is they all need a place for customers and employees to park.

  • Anonymous

     But if business is as strapped for parking as you claim then why would it be ok for them to go to the restaurant  eat and then leave their car there for hours on end to go to the casino? if parking is this limited then why not make them eat shove them out the door and see that they vacate the parking lot foe the next customer? it is the way the restaurants seem to be thinking…..it seems like business owners are NOT going to work together and it seems parking will always be a problem so they may as well just close the damn thing down and call it a day…. people are not going to go down there where they get ticketed every time they go and when it is real busy and can’t find a place to park. instead of working together for the good of everyone they choose to act greedy and selfish….let the chips fall where they may.

  • Anonymous

    I go the bar sometimes yes… aint no shame in my game I tell ya now.But many times you cant find a place to park. To show how greedy everyone has become… even when the old HR office for the casino was closed they still blocked off the lot to prevent anyone from parking there knowing how limited parking is…    so you think sharing parking and working together for good of all is insane and selfish???…. that sure says a lot about you as a person…. all this greed is gonna catch up with those responsible…. trust me.. karma has a way of paying people back.

  • Anonymous

    Greed? Rent the lot. All I hear from you is let us use the lot for free. Let some one else pay the maintence, insurance, to clean it, and deal with the problems.

  • Anonymous

    OMG SERIOUSLY???? APPARENTLY SOME OF Y’ALL DO NOT READ WELL OR ELSE DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU READ…..I HAD NOT PLANNED ON HAVING TO LAY EVERY DETAIL OUT IN BLACK AND WHITE SINCE IT IS NOT ME WHO HAS A BUSINESS AND THEREFORE IS NOT EXACTLY MY PROBLEM…BUT ANYWAY.. HERE IT IS….

    I NEVER SAID ANYONE HAD TO GIVE THEIR PROPERTY UP, AWAY OR TAKE ON ALL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ALONE… I SAID THE BUSINESSES NEED TO WORK TOGETHER AS A WHOLE TO ELIMINATE THE PARKING PROBLEM BEFORE THEY ALL GO DOWN TO TUBES FOR LACK OF BUSINESS…. BECAUSE IF THEY KEEP GETTING TICKETS AND CRAP LIKE THAT IT WILL GET TO TO THE POINT WHERE PEOPLE WILL STOP GOING DOWN THERE AT ALL……THEY WILL ALL LOOSE BUSINESS THEN IT WILL BE NOTHING TO GO DOWN THERE FOR!

    THE BUSINESSES NEED TO GET TOGETHER AND WORK OUT A DEAL TO SHARE FINANCIAL EXPENSES AND MAINTENANCE, CLEANING ETC FOR ALL THE CUSTOMERS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE LEGAL PARKING…. SINCE IT IS SO LIMITED UTH… SOMETIMES THERE IS MORE TRAFFIC THAN OTHERS THEREFORE WILL NEED MORE PARKING IN HIGHER DEMAND TIMES THAN AT OTHERS…..IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE FOR EVERYONE TO WORK TOGETHER ON A COMMON PROBLEM, PARKING, THAT AFFECTS THEM ALL TO SOME DEGREE RATHER THAN ALL THIS ARROGANCE AND SELFISHNESS  THAT’S GOING ON NOW …. 

    AGAIN….NO ONE HAS TO GIVE OR SELL THEIR ALREADY OWNED PARKING LOTS TO ANYONE… THEY SIMPLY ALL NEED TO WORK TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER, SINCE THERE ARE ONLY A FEW BUSINESSES DOWN THERE OUTSIDE THE CASINO ANYWAY, TO ELIMINATE A PROBLEM THAT AFFECTS THEM AND THEIR CUSTOMERS… MAYBE THEY COULD LOOK INTO FINDING OR ADDING MORE PARKING SINCE THERE IS LITTLE ROAD SPACE AND EVERYONE NEEDS A PLACE TO PARK.

    IT LOOKS LIKE THE SALOON COULD WORK WITH THE RESTAURANT AND AGREE ON A
    REASONABLE AMOUNT EACH MONTH TO SHARE THE PARKING AND THE SALOON CLEAN
    UP THE LOT EITHER BEFORE CLOSING OR FIRST THING THE NEXT MORNING AND SEE
    THE GATE IS LOCKED  WHEN THE SALOON CLOSES. THEN BOTH HAVE ACCESS TO
    LEGAL PARKING FOR PATRONS AND EMPLOYEES. THE SALOON SEES MOST OF IT’S
    BUSINESS AT NIGHT NOT IN THE DAY. WITH THE LOT AND THE STREET THAT
    SHOULD ALLOT THEM ENOUGH PARKING FOR BOTH. THEY BOTH PAY EXPENSES FOR
    UPKEEP AND CLEANING. THIS IS NOT THAT HARD OF A PROBLEM TO FIX. MAGNOLIA
    GRILL IS CLOSER TO THE CASINO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PARKING LOT THEY DO
    THEIR OWN THING BUT AGAIN IF ANOTHER BUSINESS GOES IN TO ONE OF THE
    OTHER BUILDINGS THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH MAGNOLIA GRILL ON
    THEIR PARKING SITUATION. ALTHOUGH AFTER READING ALL THIS CRAP I HAVE NO
    IDEA WHY ANYONE WOULD EVEN WANT TO PUT A BUSINESS DOWN THERE.

    IF THE BUSINESSES CAN’T WORK TOGETHER OR COME TO AN AGREEMENT THEN THE CITY NEEDS TO STEP IN AND DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO CORRECT THIS PROBLEM AND MAKE IT WORK FOR ALL CONCERNED. I MENTIONED THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE  WITH LIMITED PARKING FOR MANY MANY YEARS BUT IT DID NOT BECOME SO CUT THROAT UNTIL THEY STARTED LETTING BUSINESSES BUY PROPERTY AND MAKE IT THEIR OWN PRIVATE PARKING. WITH LIMITED SPACE AND NO WAY TO EXPAND THIS MAKES NO SENSE.

    SOMEONE MENTIONED PRIOR THAT TO GET A BUSINESS LICENSE THEY HAD TO HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES FOR THE BUSINESSES….THE ONLY ONE I KNOW OF THAT DOES NOT HAVE MUCH OR ANY PARKING IS THE SALOON….SO IF EVERYONE IS GOING TO ACT SUCH AN ASS ABOUT PARKING THEN MAYBE THE SALOON SHOULD DO LIKE THE RESTAURANTS AND BE AN ASS ABOUT RESTAURANT CUSTOMERS PARKING ON THE STREET AND TAKING UP SPACE FOR THE SALOON PATRONS…. AFTER ALL THAT IS THE ONLY PARKING THE SALOON HAS FOR IT’S CUSTOMERS. MAYBE THE CASINO SHOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ONES WHO USE THEIR PARKING LOT THAT THEY PAY FOR AND THE SHUTTLE AND YET DO NOT GO TO THE CASINO  BUT TO THE RESTAURANTS AND SALOON… IT IS A TWO WAY STREET HERE…. IT DOES NOT MATTER THE SIZE OF THE LOT IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR ABOUT ONE YOU HAVE TO BE FAIR ABOUT ALL…. YOU HAVE TO ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT NOT EVERYONE THAT GOES  UTH IS LOCAL, A GOOD MANY ARE TOURIST WHO ARE UNAWARE OF THIS PROBLEM AND WHEN THEY SEE A PLACE TO PARK THEY SIMPLY PARK THERE.

    I JUST DO NOT SEE HOW, WITH EVERYONE WANTING TO PLAY THE ALL MINE GAME AND PASS THE BUCK, THIS WILL EVER WORK TO ANYONE’S FAVOR. SO THE ONLY SOLUTION IS THEY EITHER NEED TO STEP UP AND THE BE MATURE ADULTS AND BUSINESS PEOPLE THEY CLAIM TO BE, ACT ACCORDINGLY AND WORK TOGETHER TO SETTLE THE PROBLEM OR THE CITY DOES NEED TO STEP IN AND SETTLE IT TO PUT AN END TO THE PARKING PROBLEM AND THE UN NECESSARY DRAMA.

    I WILL SAY THIS IF ANY OF THEM HAVE THE THOUGHT IN THEIR HEAD OF CHARGING TO PARK… THEY ALL MAY AS WELL CLOSE UP SHOP NOW, BECAUSE THERE WILL NOT BE ENOUGH BUSINESS LEFT TO KEEP THEIR DOORS OPEN!! THAT ALSO APPLIES TO SHUTTLE SERVICE!!!

  • Anonymous

    The signs state “NO PARKING”——— Just follow the law, it’s not rocket science….. Thank the Biglane family for wanting this street all too themselves…..  Most cities would die to have a river front playground right @ their front door with restaurants, shops, etc–open late hours for their tourist, but NOT this community! Never seen anything like it….. Visit San Antonio, Charleston, Savanah———–and then come here! SAD…………..

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