Ben Hillyer | The Natchez Democrat — Clockwise from far left, Adams County Board of Supervisors president Darryl Grennell states the county position on fire protection during a joint meeting with city officials. Natchez alderwoman Joyce Arceneaux Mathis listens as District 1 supervisor Mike Lazarus talks about the county’s recent efforts to research developing county fire protection districts as an alternative to the current agreement. District 2 supervisor David Carter listens to Natchez Mayor Larry L. Butch Brown. Adams County Emergency Management Director Stan Owens address

County declines city’s request for additional $132K for fire protection

Published 12:05am Wednesday, September 5, 2012

NATCHEZ — The Adams County Board of Supervisors declined a request Tuesday from the City of Natchez for an additional $132,000 for its fire protection agreement.

One reason Supervisors President Darryl Grennell gave — among others — was similar to the explanation given when such a request was denied last year. The board’s tentative budget for the year has been completed and legally advertised, he said.

The county will still fund the fire protection agreement at its current contractual rate with the city for the coming year.

The supervisors also instructed Board Attorney Scott Slover to draft petitions for the formation of county fire protection districts. Residents who want the fire districts formed would sign the petitions.

Natchez Mayor Butch Brown presented the request for additional funds to the supervisors at a joint supervisors-Natchez Board of Aldermen meeting. The $132,000 would be on top of the base contract for fire protection, which for 2012-2013 would be $577,000.

That base payment would still be considered low for the cost of fire protection to the county, Brown said.

The cost of paying, equipping and providing uniforms for firemen hired specifically to respond to fires in the county without considering Medicare, retirement and worker’s compensation is $479,673.12 annually, he said.

“Your contributions in terms of equipment has been next to nothing since the initiation of the agreement,” Brown said. “The fact is that we are not getting adequately compensated for the cost of county fire protection. It is a cost thing, this is not a profit center.”

When Grennell asked Brown what would happen if the county did not pay the additional funds, Brown said, “We are going to have to look long and hard at what we respond to. Every time we dispatch two trucks to the county, that’s two less in the city inventory.”

In 2010 and 2011, the Natchez Fire Department responded to an average of 23.5 structure fires in the county annually, Brown said, and the NFD is dedicating 40 percent of its calls to responses in the county, which also includes things like arcing power lines and grass fires.

“If the county chooses to have its own countywide fire protection system, more power to you,” he said.

Brown also contended that a countywide fire program would not have any effect on insurance unless three men manned the county fire stations.

After the aldermen left, County Fire Coordinator Stan Owens said three people would be needed at the stations only for an insurance rating of 5, whereas the county program was not aiming to get an insurance rating that high.

During the meeting, former supervisor and Kingston resident Virginia Salmon spoke in favor of manning the county’s rural stations in some capacity.

“Fire protection is for the protection of life and property, and certainly fire protection is more effective if it is closer to the problem,” she said. “Whatever the logistics have been and are or shall be, when you look at it, the closer you have a truck to a fire, the faster you can protect the property.”

Grennell also asked the city leaders if it was possible for the county and city to find a creative way to man county firehouses with city personnel.

“That way, when there is a fire that occurs outside the city limits, there is a truck from one of those rural stations that is en route to save property and life,” Grennell said.

Brown responded that there was slim to no chances that such an arrangement could be worked out.

Owens said he favored a true fire consolidation, in which a Natchez-Adams County Fire District was created.

“By consolidation I mean that the county buys in a little more on the fire plan, and has in the contract that (the city) man our firehouses,” Owens said.

“Financial wise, they probably couldn’t do that with what the county gives them.”

When the supervisors asked if there was any way to get a guarantee that higher funding would result in better service, Slover told them they could write any expectations they had into the interlocal agreement for fire protection and then sign it or not sign it depending on the city’s answer.

The supervisors also said the county would have volunteer firefighter drives to recruit volunteers, and they would consider the possibility of having county road crew members train as volunteer firefighters for extra pay.

  • Anonymous

    WOW so basically  if you live in the county outside the city limits and you have a fire you may as well grab the garden hose and pray for luck…. ARE THEY KIDDING? people in the county pay taxes just like those in the city and deserve to have fire and police  protection just like inner city does…. I bet if those in the county refused to pay taxes that would get their attention…. it is not like people go out and set their homes and yards on fire for the fun of it… and if they have that many inner city fires then someone needs to be doing some serious investigating….. amazing they cant afford to pay for county fire protection but they can afford a damn rec complex…. There is something very out of place with all this…..If I were in the county I would be passing a petition to be tax exempt  considering they aren’t getting fire protection and having to pay for higher home owners insurance. I mean why pay the bill if you have to do the work yourself????

  • Anonymous

    They can drop the ball on fire protection without penalty, if you fail to pay your taxes, there is a penalty involved, e.g. tax liens, etc.  This is another one way street for the tax payers who elected the bozo brigade to lead the city/county and make decisions on the public’s behalf.  Of course, in the county, open fires to burn debris are acceptable while they are not in the city.  County residents are more isolated from eyes with cell phones that can report a fire within minutes like in the city to shorten response time.  Mrs. Salmon is correct, staff the county stations for quick response of the equipment, let the volunteers respond direct to the fire location to meet the equipment.

  • Anonymous

    The city/county boards are talking MILLIONS when they dream about a recreation complex but jump up and down about $132,000 for the life and property of citizens. The recreation complex, if built, would be trashed within 6 months. The money would be better used to insure fire protection. As for as the people that are going to holler about the “little darlings” needing someplace to play or they will get in trouble. CHILDREN RAISED IN THE CHURCH BY PARENTS THAT KNOW RIGHT FROM WRONG AND INSTILL THAT CONCEPT IN THEM STAY OUT OF TROUBLE. Children raised by “Gimmie” parents—er—parent that are not taught basic social skills and the basic concept of right from wrong get into trouble. “I didn’t have nuttin to do” isn’t an excuse for a thieving, no account thug breaking the law. A thug is a thug. He/she was raised to expect someone to give them everything they need and if they want something that they don’t have at that time, just go steal it. It all goes back to PARENTING.

  • Anonymous

    So my basic question is this:  How much does the “city” credit back to the “county” each time any one of the “county” firemen works a “city” fire? 

    Just to use some theoretical numbers, if the cost claimed for the county portion of the Department budget is $600T per year to have the extra firemen on staff etc  and they are  then subsequently utilized 40% of the time on city calls honest accounting would require that the $240T those calls and hours represent should be charged to the city ledger and credited to the county ledger, the same would go for any equipment used as well.

    I don’t know the figures, but it does sound mighty one sided to hear these kinds of figures when someone from the state agency, that does not have a dog in this hunt, states that no other similar city/county arrangement he is aware of requires the county to pay so much per call.

    Something smells fishy in the way the city is running it’s cost accounting.
       

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    Well, looks like Big Shot Brown wants to call the plays to the puppets and the arragance of him to want to buy the Beau Pre Country club and call it a county or city owned when the city is drowning in debt and borrowing money to make payroll is real responsible huh”??!! Carter trying to rekindle a multable million dollar rec. complex is foolish when the need is for county firedepartments county wide to save lifes and property and not to give him brownie points and his name on a plague !!! Seen the Grinch on her attach for more money and why haven’t the BOS asked the city for our county fire truck gave to the city to return it to the county and what ever else!! We need to make a clean cut out of the city and creat our own firedepartments and I mean today not tommorro for Brown wants to show his authority as well as the BOA and say I knew we would win!! I don’t think so!!!!??? Taxpayers are sick to dealth of more taxes when a new bunch get into office but need to cut the budjets in half to reduce tax and services!! 

  • Anonymous

    Headline summary today:  Looking towards recreation and away from fire protection.

    I can think of no more appropriate use of the phrase, “Nero fiddled while Rome burned”.

  • Anonymous

    From looking at the pics and reading about the participants, Stan Owens is the only one in the room with any common sense.

  • Anonymous

    really!!! supervisors dont want to pay for fire protetion, but gave the ACSO tahoe,s and a raise with a snap of the finger,

  • Anonymous

    Did anyone actually look at the O&M costs of Beau Pre?  If they can’t afford to cut ball field grass, what makes anyone believe they can afford to run a country club?

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