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Downtown railroad depot part of bigger change, plans

Published 12:06am Saturday, September 15, 2012

NATCHEZ — The City of Natchez is once again talking about fixing up the downtown railroad depot housing the Cock of the Walk and Old South Trading Post.

Mayor Butch Brown said Friday the city is planning to restore the city-owned historic depot and has funds pledged from private donors.

“We’ve raised a considerable amount already, but we still need a good bit more,” Brown said.

Brown declined to give the amount of funds raised because he said it was currently only in the form of funds promised and not yet actual donations.

The aldermen discussed ways of funding the renovation the depot in late 2011.

City officials have said both the Mississippi Department of Archives and the Mississippi Department of Transportation disqualified the city’s proposed depot restoration project from grant funding because of the operation of the private for-profit businesses.

The city, Brown said, will again be pursuing grant money.

Regardless of whether the city uses federal funding for the project, Brown said, the businesses will not be able to operate during the planned renovations, which will mean they will have to relocate.

The two businesses in the depot were not on board with the city’s plan last year and Old South Old South Trading Post owner Jonathan Wood said his position has not changed.

The Trading Post, Wood said, has been serving tourists for more than nine years. If the business if forced to relocate and chooses to open in another city, Wood said he does not believe any federal money the city receives for the depot will recoup the loss of the Trading Post.

“But the decision is ultimate (the city’s),” Wood said.

Wood said he has also put a lot of his own money into a marketing program to promote Natchez and entice tourists to visit the city.

“They can get rid of us, but they can’t replace us,” Wood said.

That is not the city’s intention, Brown said, who added he hopes to keep the Trading Post and Cock of the Walk downtown.

“I’m hoping we can assist them in some way so they can relocate their businesses downtown,” he said. “We have ample space downtown that we could accommodate both businesses.”

The city, Brown said, is not trying to hurt the businesses.

“We’re just trying to protect an important historical building,” he said.

Renovating the depot, Brown said, is the first step in what he hopes is a revamp of the bluff.

The depot, he said, would serve as a good location for public restrooms for bluff and Natchez Trails Project patrons.

“Tourism programs have been screaming for available downtown public restrooms, they were doing it when I was mayor in 1992,” he said. “This is an opportunity for us to handle that issue.”

The city’s recent purchase of the former pecan factory site, Brown said, makes most of the bluff property owned by the city.

Brown envisions fully developing the bluff into a tourist attraction that will host concerts, flea markets, art expos and other entertainment similar to the entertainment available at Mallory Square’s sunset celebrations in Key West, Fla.

Brown said he hopes the depot renovation work can at least begin before the end of the year.

“But that may be an ambitious goal,” he said.

  • Anonymous

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    This is so wrong. Jonanthan has spent thousands of his dollars promoting Natchez. He has a thriving business that he built from the ground up. The Old South Trading Post is one of the most sought after attractions in Natchez. If you’ve never visited, please do so. The Cock of the Walk just won’t be the same anywhere else. I understand renovating the building, but to push these businesses out; just doesn’t work for me. Why cant restrooms be built on the pecan factory site? Jonanthan WILL NOT relocate in Natchez; he will leave town and I’m sure that Patricia ( Cock of the Walk owner) will go out of business.
    This is a hard pill to swallow so early in the morning. PLEASE find another way; keep these businesses in tact.

  • Anonymous

    I’ve watched Jonathan move around quite a bit, i’m sure  the last thing he wants to do is move again. but….he does not own the
    space or building.  The depot is a spectacular place that need to be restored.  I do feel bad for him and hope that he will please consider staying in Natchez.  Same with Cock Of the Walk.  The Depot restoration is important for the bluff and our town.

  • Anonymous

    I’m all for the mayor’s plan. It’s about time we had some vision at work in this town. My sympathies for those that have to relocate, but what businesses don’t have to relocate once in a while if they rent their locations?

  • Anonymous

    It would be interesting to know how much Mr. Wood and Cock of the Walk pay in rent. The building has become a dump. Go look at the back: trash, rot, leaks. Usually, people who rent help keep up the spaces they rent. Neither of these businesses has. If I were the landlord, I’d want both of them out of there.

  • Anonymous

    Why can’t the Cock of the Wall move back under the hill to the building that The Natchez Landing was in? Seems like a no brainer. It’s already set up for a restaurant and it’s back on the river close to where it began.

  • Anonymous

    I’m totally in favor of restoring this important building. One of my ancestors worked there when it was a railroad depot (freight, mostly, I think.)

  • Anonymous

    They could start by not leasing from the city.  The taxpayers have no obligation whatsoever to these people.  People decry crony capitalism out of one side of their moths and entourage it out of the other (when the recipient is a friend or family member).  Again not only is it not the obligation of the taxpayer to renovate private businesses, it is unethical in practice.  Obviously the state agrees as they have rules against such.

    If you think what is going on here is wrong, you seriously need an ethics check.

  • Anonymous

    Tread carefully here, city leaders.  These two businesses are a HUGE part of Natchez, and the loss of either one would be just terrible!!  Johnathan has stuff that you just can’t find anywhere else around here, and lots of it!  So please- be as accomadating as you can be, and then some.

  • Anonymous

    First of all Crackhead; my ethics are just fine, thank you. Secondly, are you just stupid? I want to know just ONE landlord who doesn’t have to keep rented property in good shape. Where do you get off saying the taxpayers? It’s a city owner building numbnuts!!! The only unethical thing here is that people have rented these spaces for businesses and pay rent; thus the city needs to repair the building. These 2 businesses represent a HUGE tourist trade. But apparantly you live under a rock and do not know this. I will not volley with you so don’t bother responding again with one of your tyraids where you TRY to make yourself sound intelligent, which only makes it worse.

  • Anonymous

    Golly…!!! Someone sounds just a little unnerved…

  • Anonymous

    Listen putz, grant money IS taxpayer money.  If you can’t even grasp that most basic civic concept, please, go back to what ever hole you called a school and repeat 6th grade.  This whole deal is because you can’t use taxpayer grant money to refurbish a private business.  This is not about city repairs, it is about RESTORATION of a historic site, just at it says in the article, and the source they want to use to fund it is for historical restoration, not tenant repairs, you quasi-illiterate.

    If the city rents a space to a business, it is the responsibility of THE CITY to repair the space, not the rest of the taxpayers of MS or the rest of the country, under the guise of “historical restoration”.  Why can you not grasp that most basic fact?  The problem is that the city does not have the money to even keep their own leased properties up.

    There is no need for you to volley with me.  It is no contest.  I’m right and you are wrong.  The Department of Transportation and the MS Department of Archives and History agree with me and they cut the checks.

  • Anonymous

    not sure his vision should be based on grants and donations………..

  • Anonymous

    Vision is vision. It can point us in a direction. Money (grants, donations, taxes, etc.) is only a detail that can always be worked out in some fashion or another. What I see here is Brown pointing us in a direction that will use city property for the good of the city residents and for tourism. Previous administrations have been sorely lacking in that department. :)

  • Anonymous

    cock of the walk-i couldnt care less if they relocate or close.a ghostof their pas self.butthe trading postneeds to stay  if u cant have a business  there what will it e?  a fixed up empty bldg?  yea we need that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/San-Rucker/1356817768 San Rucker

    i wish Amtrac came through Natchez. 

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    If Brown is in line with the taxpayers and not making years and years of debt as he did his last term isn’t the way a good business person to react!!

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    You are very disrespectable and I bet you call yourself a gentleman!!!

  • Anonymous

    2 businesses are being put out of business and that’s all you’ve got to say? pitiful. If you don’t have something pertanent to the article, please keep your personal feeling to yourself. Do I need to to give you the definition of “pertanent”?

  • Anonymous

    Butch’s vision is for Natchez to look like New York City, built with grants and donations.  The problem with this is that the taxpayers are being left with the downstream maintenance costs of all the glitz.  Since we can’t even keep up with current maintenance, e.g. the base of the collonades at the visitor center are rotted completely, mowing grass regularly in the medians, litter removal, etc., how do we expect to maintain the proposed rec. complex, the Bridge of Sighs, the new intermodal transportation Taj Mahal, the new evacuee shelter, city park, Duncan Park, the new park by the new casino, the Pecan Factory site, the new Beau Pre City Golf Course, and many more to come? 

    The prime example of this is the city owned railroad depot which has not been maintained in the past to prevent the current state of affairs, all while the city was collecting rent that was apparently not dedicated to maintain that building.  I would rather be a small, well maintained city with touristy charm than a sprawling plethora of poorly maintained flavors of the day add-ons.  Private enterprise can step in where there are profit opportunities to own/develop new attractions, pay the appropriate taxes on those opportunities, then the taxpayers are relieved of the burden of supporting someone’s vision.  A five year plan should be developed for these projects with related funding estimates so that the taxpaying public can actually see what the “vision” is.  Perhaps Jonathan Wood would consider buying and restoring the depot to keep his business there.

    The above does not mention the ongoing costs to maintain the Margaret Martin building, the Carpenter buildings, the Brumfield building, and all other city buildings that are either vacant or underutilized.  None of these are on the tax rolls, thus are a drain on tax dollars.   What is Butch’s vision for them?

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    First, the spelling is pertinent, an yes I know what it means and when it comes to histerical folks in Natchez things have got to change for the present to have a better quality of life for its people!! As far as the Cock of the Walk the food is over priced and the floors or filthy and greasy and the place needs not only cleaned up but sanitized!! The other business is well run but to do the job right they have got to go and find another location to get the funds to correct!! Federal law by grants huh”??!!

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    2 businesses are being put out of business and that’s all you’ve got to say? pitiful. If you don’t have something pertanent to the article, please keep your personal feeling to yourself. Do I need to to give you the definition of “pertanent”?

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  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    Also, wonder what the rents are on the two business at the time for this hasn’t ever been posted?

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    2 businesses are being put out of business and that’s all you’ve got to say? pitiful. If you don’t have something pertanent to the article, please keep your personal feeling to yourself. Do I need to to give you the definition of “pertanent”?

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  • Anonymous

    vision-yea butch can see for mles and miles.  all the way to HIS next pile of $

  • Anonymous

    I wished Mr. Woods could see where the city/ current administration is coming from. We have a very beautiful, old, building that needs desperate attention, or it won’t be here another 30-50 years from now…. I hope he can actually find a spot that is more visible to tourist, even larger than where he currently is now…. He is definitely an incredible marketer, and is a TRUE asset to our city, so we really need to accomodate him in finding a bigger/better location…. Cock Of The Walk is a lost cause…… 20, 30+ years ago, it was wonderful when it was under the hill.  It was clean, the servers wore neat outfits, the corn bread was flipped, and there was usually someone banging away @ the piano. The food was MUCH better then as well…. The current owners have RAN it into the ground…. The food has gone down significantly in quality, and the restaurant itself is FILTHY!!!!!  I would never dream of eating there, and would certainly never take anyone from out of town there! It has become more of a black eye on the community, and I cringe knowing tourist go there thinking we all live/eat like that….. It was a great concept back in it’s day, but now it’s time to close her down, and let someone else serve catfish in a more modern/clean environment…… I never understood why the current owners of the franchise never developed outdoor seating in the back on a deck over looking the river????? A Million $$$$ view!!!! Of course, the current condition of the building, plus all the decay/filth out back does not lend to that thought….. All I have to say is adios to grimy floors, walls, cob web laden drapes, nasty front door, and the smell of neglect…….

  • Anonymous

    What kind of a city doesn’t stand  behind their businesses?  It would be an outrage to force these businesses to move from the train depot just because Brown is bent on providing public restrooms…If you take away these businesses from the depot , there won/t be a need  to use the space as public restrooms–as tourists won’t be walking up that far north on  a regular basis.  Any reputable landlord receiving rent for their space has the obligation to maintain the space.The City of Natchez should not be exempt from this.  Perhaps your money for public restrooms  would be better used somewhere else along the bluff–or make restrooms available in the convention center!

    The Old South Trading Post is the only business open at 9 am Sundays – 52 weeks a year–for  9 years.  Tourists want that more than public restrooms,  The train  depot restrooms are clean, secure,well taken care of on a daily  basis and open from 9 am to 9 pm 7 days a week with no threat of being attacked,or being solicited for drugs or sex. The owner has done a lot of marketing on Natchez tourism. In case you haven’t been to his store recently,you might be surprised to go and  notice some of the more than 500  different and unique affordable items that actually promote Natchez tourism specifically designed by the management to be sold in the store.Frankly I’m happy to hear the City of  Natchez won’t be getting  grant money from the state of Mississippi for the alleged project.  How is it that the Mayor believes the renovation of the  train depot is just the first step in renovating the bluff?  What was the beautification project of the bluff then?  Extra money that should have been spent on the depot repairs? I wonder!

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