Should guns be in schools? Local leaders worried about risks involved

Published 12:04am Sunday, February 17, 2013

NATCHEZ — A bill that passed the Mississippi House Wednesday would allow school boards to arm teachers with concealed weapons, but Natchez-Adams School District Superintendent Frederick Hill said he doesn’t think guns in schools is the solution to protecting students.

House Bill 958 would let local school boards create policies authorizing employees, including cafeteria workers and janitors, to carry concealed weapons on campus. A previous version of the bill limited the number of employees with weapons at each school, but the bill that passed Wednesday provides no limit.

While he hasn’t discussed the matter officially with the NASD board of trustees, Hill said he personally stands against the bill and any other bill that would arm teachers or school employees.

“I don’t believe giving guns to teachers is necessarily the right thing to do or will help solve anything,” Hill said. “Then you’d need to look at training, certification and a whole bunch of other things to ensure that person can handle the responsibility.

“If the bill progresses, we’ll definitely have to start talking about it and figure out a solution.”

Hill said currently safety officers that are located at each NASD school are not armed, but they do monitor the school all day and during special events after school.

A more logical decision, Hill said, would be to allow those safety officers to carry weapons on campus instead of teachers or other employees.

“I would feel more comfortable with a trained officer having a gun than anyone else,” Hill said. “That could certainly be a possibility we would look into.”

Currently, Mississippi residents who receive a concealed carry permit and take an eight-hour course are allowed to carry a gun on college campuses.

Some who favor arming school employees point to the 1997 shooting at Pearl High School. There, a 16-year-old student, Luke Woodham, shot and killed two students and injured seven others after killing his mother in his home. Assistant Principal Joel Myrick went to his truck and retrieved a revolver, stopping Woodham from leaving the campus and holding him until police arrived.

Myrick, however, recently said he opposes arming school personnel and instead favors relying on trained law enforcement officers and others with extensive firearms training.

The bill was held for more possible debate before it goes to the Senate.

Across the river in Louisiana, several gun control bills are being discussed and prepped for the legislative session that begins April 8.

One bill being drafted would allow off-duty law enforcement officers to carry firearms on school campuses.

The current law only allows federal, state or local law enforcement who are on duty to do so.

Concordia Parish School District Superintendent Paul Nelson said he thinks it’s too early to tell what kind of gun control legislation might pass in Louisiana, if any.

But arming teachers or school employees is something Nelson said he’s against.

“As a former teacher and principal, I really don’t know if I would even want that responsibility on me,” Nelson said. “I wouldn’t want to be going up and down the halls carrying a pistol.

“I just don’t know how I feel about that.”

Nelson said there are too many unpredictable situations where the weapon could become more of a danger than a helpful tool.

“What if the teachers goes to break up a fight and one kid grabs the weapon?” Nelson said. “What kind of liability would be associated with that kind of situation, and is that something we really want in our schools?”

Nelson said a mix of school resource officers from the Vidalia Police Department, Ferriday Police Department and the Concordia Parish Sheriff’s Office currently provides security at CPSB schools.

“Those SROs move from school to school, from place to place ensuring our students are safe,” Nelson said. “I would much rather leave that kind of thing to trained police officers and sheriff’s deputies.”

 

  • http://www.endtime.com Keith

    Just a thought, but wonder if the kids would behave much better, and also if the grades would improve? Just a thought!!!!!!

  • Anonymous

    Complete overkill. Statistically speaking, one is more likely to be killed by erroneous police fire than a school shooter. Yes, the police kill more innocent people every year than are killed in “mass shootings” yet nobody is talking about that or proposing any laws to protect us from “no-knock” warrants issued on the word of paid criminal informants or other law enforcement over-reach.

  • Anonymous

    M-I-S-S-I-S-S-I-P-P-I DON’T KNOW THE MEANING OF MOVING *FOWARD*. ON RECORD FOR EVERYTHING YOU CAN NAME ON-THE- BOTTOM. AS LONG AS THEY CONTINUE TO ELECT THOSE RED NECK STUCK IN THE PAST GOVERNORS, MS. WILL CONTINUE TO BACK STEPT. I HOPE THIS IS THE LAST RED NECK GOVERNOR. WE NEED A GOVERNOR THAT CAN TURN THINGS AROUND AND START MOVING FOWARD LIKE QUICK FAST AND IN A HURRY. FROM ONE DUMB GOVERNOR TO ANOTHER HAVE TAKEN A BIG TOTAL ON A PLACE CALL HOME.

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    This is the problem is more guns is killing people when we need less and need for gun control as the president working toward making it harder for the bad people to buy guns!! I have to agree with the Supr. Hill is correct for it going to add to the problem!! This is nothing but the nra and republican platform on this gun issue which is backward way of thinking!!

  • Anonymous

    Do you really believe that? I hope not. First, gun deaths in America are WAY down from during the Clinton era when an assault ban was in place. You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. The president is on vacation. He isn’t doing anything about guns. It is all talk to divert our attention from economic and social woes. Speaking of Obama, his kids go to a school which employs armed guards as do many other children around the country, mostly in rich liberal areas dominated by Democrats. Please explain exactly how Obama is making it harder for “bad people” to get guns? Everything I’ve seen appears to only affect law-abiding citizens. You are not complaining here about bad people getting guns, you are complaining about “good people” in the schools having guns. Make up your mind.

    As usual, you just parrot what you see on your favorite leftist dominated news program without actually doing any actual research whatsoever. As a result, your post is just a mish-mash of nonsense, like a monkey throwing paint at a canvas.

  • Anonymous

    If Obama wants limited or all gun control, then he should practice what he is proposing. I.e. get rid of all his armed guards that surround him and his family. Wonder if he would feel as protected as the general public is if the same rules applied to him and his family?

  • Anonymous

    I bet most Mississippians can at least spell “forward”, something you seem incapable of doing since you misspelled it twice in that illiterate comment. Again, you have absolutely no footing from which to call ANYONE “dumb”.

  • Anonymous

    Maybe next the state legislature can actually do something useful for the education system.

  • Anonymous

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  • Mike

    Yes let’s have the president remove all his armed guards for himself and his children. Practice what he preaches? As if the leader of the most powerful country in the world and his children are the same circumstances as the the local McDonald’s manager and his kids. Come on now

  • Anonymous

    The President and his family have no more right to self defense than me or my family. His children’s lives are no more or less valuable than the lives of my children. He’s a head of state and as such we supply him with some of the best security in the world. Men and women with guns serve to protect him and his family. Now, if armed defenders are no solution to counteract nut-jobs who wish to kill, as many on the left, including the President, claim he should lead by example and disband the Secret Service. The point is that leftist politicians claim armed guards are not the answer as they surround themselves with armed guards. “The President is better than you” is not in any way an acceptable response. He has no more right to life and liberty than I do. Its past time people remembered that.

  • Mike

    I’m not making a case that they are more valuable than any other family across the country. Iam making a case that you can in no way compare you and your kids daily activities and “importance to the rest of the world” to that of the president and his family

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    I believe most of these people against gun control or trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill and just plainly not useing common sense !!

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    I wouldn’t have wrote it if I didn’t believe it huh’??!!! You are just twisting words and understanding to your way of thinking as for as calling people names as your in practice of not going to change any ones opinion for you aren’t a authority of any kind!! So, go take a hike MR. KNOW IT ALL(and don’t know nothing Crakalakin)!!

  • Sonny Daniels

    Harder for bad people to buy guns??? Please explain to me how a gang banger…or an organized crime person…or an insane criminal who steals someone’s firearms is going to abide by the stricter rules for purchasing a firearm???? How is Osama’s plan going to prevent that?…oh, thats right..it won’t. To be honest…your usage of the English language is so horrible, I am doing the best I can to understand it..do me a favor please. Before you start criticizing me or the NRA…in which I am thrilled you can actually spell the NRA properly…probably the only acronym you have ever learned how the spell…but anyways…please, please at least learn how to spell and use the English language properly before you attack us. When you can’t even form a logical sentence, it just takes away from your POV…so sad.

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    Well, this tells me that I’ve hit a sensitive nerve on your republican nra support that shows as your party to not wanting to be a solution to the problem and that’s why they or the NO party!! For a person to criticize another about english and spelling and can’t spell Pres.Obama don’t say much for you !! You just need some more age on you and wisdom as others to understand that gun control is coming like it or not for the majority of the people of the nation are not putting up with these killing and we are suppose to be a civilized nation!!

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    Harder for bad people to buy guns??? Please explain to me how a gang banger…or an organized crime person…or an insane criminal who steals someone’s firearms is going to abide by the stricter rules for purchasing a firearm???? How is Osama’s plan going to prevent that?…oh, thats right..it won’t. To be honest…your usage of the English language is so horrible, I am doing the best I can to understand it..do me a favor please. Before you start criticizing me or the NRA…in which I am thrilled you can actually spell the NRA properly…probably the only acronym you have ever learned how the spell…but anyways…please, please at least learn how to spell and use the English language properly before you attack us. When you can’t even form a logical sentence, it just takes away from your POV…so sad.

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  • Anonymous

    Mississippi is and has stayed at the bottom of every socio-economic list in the country for decades why? There are numerous reasons
    why our state along with AL and La are always at the bottom, research, statistics, graphs, private and government studies consistently show these 3 states competing for the dubious honor of providing the worst education to our children in the country.

    “The state of Mississippi is one of the very few states who has not made kindergarten mandatory. If students had a Pre-K program to attend, followed up by kindergarten, I think their foundation would be a whole lot stronger. Mississippi ranks 49th in the nation in education, La at 48 and Arkansas #50 all Republican run states.

    Now the state legislators in all their infinite lack of wisdom want to bring religion and guns into our classrooms. Neither one of these issues will bring the quality of education we need for our children to a higher standard. The voters in Mississippi have voted for these politicians over and over again … 8 years of Barbour did not raise Mississippi’s standing on education and Bryant’s priorities seem to be centered on social issues rather than the educational priorities of our children.

    When will the voters see that electing officials with the same mind set and mentality over and over again has not and will not improve our children’s future. Education for the 21st century and beyond is crucial to the foundation of our country and our state ….. and right now we are wallowing around in the muck at the bottom of the list.

  • Sonny Daniels

    Please explain to me how age equates with wisdom? Apparently, that theory is not correct–you are a perfect example of that. Your lack of knowledge of the Consitution is staggering. Then again, your president doesn’t think he has to follow the constitution, so why should you? No wonder this country is in decline…you are just another one of the American Sheeple just casting your vote for Osama and Democratic-Socialist-Communist party…cheering while they destroy this country. Secondly, you obviously know who I am. I guess that is because I use my real name when I posts messages. That means I believe and whole heartedly support everything I say. You either know me, or took the time to google me to find out who I am. I have no problem with that. I don’t hide behind a moniker like you do. Why don’t you post under your real name? Are you afraid to take ownership of your statements?

  • Anonymous

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  • Anonymous

    Um, this discussion is not about “quality of education”. It is about protecting the lives of students from armed school intruders.

    At any rate, the “quality of education” is not the issue with the states education problems. It is the “quality of students” that is the problem in MS schools. The problem is compounded by the completely false notion that an elected official can somehow wave a magic wand and make kids and their parents care about education. That’s called passing the buck and a diversion of responsibility. Blaming a politician because kids refuse to, or cannot learn, the subject matter is an intellectually vacuous position.

  • Anonymous

    Please specify exactly what name I called you. You cannot because I did not call you anything. I know I am not going to change your opinion. One cannot get water from a rock. In the time you and I have discussed subjects on this site, I have repeatedly presented you with hard, documented evidence that contradicts your claims and you continue to make the same false claims while dismissing any and all evidence that does not fit your prejudices. That, sir, is a significant character flaw. Those who favor the comfortable lie over an uncomfortable truth are intellectually retarded. The refusal or inability to engage in critical thought and challenge one’s own beliefs when confronted with contradictory facts is generally seen as a sign of low intelligence.

  • Anonymous

    Agreed. That is why the state does not pay for a highly professional security detail for me and my family. That is not the point. The point is the claims of anti-gun politicians vs. the actions of anti-gun politicians. Many of their kids, not just the ones with state-supplied security details, tend to go to private schools that employ armed security while they actively lobby to prevent armed security in our kids’ schools. They simultaneously claim, while sending their kids to these schools with armed guards, that arming guards at schools isn’t a good idea and will not prevent violence. I say that if they really believe that, and I do not think they do, they should lead by example, which they NEVER do on any issue, not just guns. They tell us to go green while they burn energy like crazy people. They lambast and deride financial institutions, oil companies and insurance companies while they trade stocks and make money off the very same organizations they deride. This is about political hypocrisy, one standard for them, another for us. No thank you.

  • Anonymous

    The quality of education starts in the home … if you have decades of uneducated families then you have decades of uneducated children growing into uneducated adults ultimately turning into uneducated voters … which comes first the chicken or the egg?. Mississippi is not new to these problems since Ms. has been at the bottom of the educational ladder for decades and as of last year has not progressed.

    There is no simple solution but a beginning is early childhood development and pre-k education, and in my opinion only, has nothing to do with religion or guns in the schools. As I am sure you are aware children are like little sponges they soak
    up everything….with a head start at the ages of 4 and 5 that generation would have a basis for their foundation in education, rather than being educated by the television, violence, their poverty and generations of uneducated family members. Why doesn’t Ms have a pre-K program for their children?

    In my years of living here in Natchez and MS I have seen far too many adults that have never left the city limits, I have met too many families where a college degree or even a high school diploma are none existent. I have seen the exodus of Natchez citizens because there are no jobs here, I have seen far too many pregnant teenagers that repeat the ways of their ancestors because they have no role models, and far too many that will live out there days here working at Wal-mart or Kmart because
    they were never given the early opportunities through education (or their families) to know that this is not all there is.

    Again there are NO simple solutions but many hard ones…and hard choices by our local and state government to bring the education level up and the poverty level down. But I remain unswerving in my belief that education starts in the home and when those homes are filled with uneducated parents then it is the responsibility of the schools and government to assist where they can.

    Regardless of your personal opinion or mine the state of MS is and has been in a continued state of educational deterioration and that is just the way it is, (for now) but hopefully generations to come will have better options.

  • Anonymous

    “Mississippi ranks 49th in the nation in education, La at 48 and Arkansas #50 all Republican run states.”

    Indeed. Now break that down by county and let us know that the political leadership and racial makeup is in those counties that drag down the rest of the state. Funny how most Republican-run states with relatively small minority populations don’t have that problem.

  • Anonymous

    Study after study has shown that pre-k programs are ineffective and any modest gains are lost by 3rd grade. Being poor does not prevent anyone from learning. I grew up relatively poor with a single parent who had no high-school diploma. My siblings and I are all educated and quite productive. That argument does not wash with me at all.

    I was a gifted child in a special educational program. My academic and intellectual abilities were a direct result of genetics and nothing more. The same is true of most on the bottom end of the spectrum as well. Intelligence and academic ability is a function of genetics. Period. Anyone who tells you different is full of it. The fact that nobody wants to address is that black people on the average have the lowest IQ on the planet of any ethnic group and by a considerable margin. The average IQ for whites is 100. For Asians its about 104. For blacks its 85. Notice I said “average”. For all groups there is a broad spectrum. That shows up in every educational institution in the world, not just the US. This is a fact that we as a society cannot discuss. I will be called racist for pointing it out. That is a given. It is still a fact and it is why black people, on the whole, have the troubles in school that they do. Until that is addressed, which will be never, blacks kids, on the whole, will always have a harder time in school than whites or Asians. It is a matter of genetics.

  • Anonymous

    Which states have high minority populations in public schools? Which states are more rural and agricultural? Go figure. Still waiting on those county breakdowns, although I don’t really need them. The worst schools in MS? All heavily black. Every last one. The best public schools in MS? All largely white. This is not a function of political leadership but of the actual attendees of the schools. You do realize that well over half of the public school students in MS are black, right, and your rankings are of public schools? Contrast that with Vermont, number one at your link, where only a little over 1% of the students are black.

    Look, I analyze numbers for a living. My education is in mathematics. You are not doing yourself any favors here.

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    You need a black board and chalk to understand about age and wisdom don’t speak to highly of you and for you not calling President your president in your degree of Patriotism and you are a Grand Knight of Columbus!! Whats going on here for its just not right huh”??!! As far as me useing my name is my business alone for as in history our forefathers didn’t use their names as well and you can call folks names but you need to take inventory of yourself!! Yes, I know your father and uncle very well and you also and I didn’t google to find you out!! The nation needs the presidents gun control package and a vote ASAP to many senseless killings!!

  • Sonny Daniels

    Gene–I thought that sounded like you. I can see you still need lessons in history and the constitution. Also, by the way you broadcast my personal information on a public forum, you need lessons on tact as well. Please let my Father and Uncle know what we are discussing–I am sure they will point out your errors as well. Why do you feel the need to bring the Order into this? The Order, nor my position have anything to do with this discussion. You mentioned patriotism–patriotism is “love for or devotion to one’s country”. When a communist traiter occupies the white house, my “love and devotion” to my country compels me to do everything I can to make everyone realize just how big a threat he is to our liberties and freedoms. I love my country, but I am ashamed of my president and this current government. You are too smart to be one of the American Sheeple…some mindless farm animal following its owner around. You are better than that. When are you going to realized that neither the president or congress have the constitutional authority to curtail firearm rights?

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    I don’t know where you got that name but its not my name but for as pointing out my errors isn’t errors and I feel strongly toward my feeling and yes the president and congress can do gun control!! Calling people communist as our Pres. Obama is very low and a lack of respect of the office!! I’m very proud of Pres. Obama and my Democratic party and pray thing keep getting better and the economy and its people get back strong as it was in the 60′s!!

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    Gene–I thought that sounded like you. I can see you still need lessons in history and the constitution. Also, by the way you broadcast my personal information on a public forum, you need lessons on tact as well. Please let my Father and Uncle know what we are discussing–I am sure they will point out your errors as well. Why do you feel the need to bring the Order into this? The Order, nor my position have anything to do with this discussion. You mentioned patriotism–patriotism is “love for or devotion to one’s country”. When a communist traiter occupies the white house, my “love and devotion” to my country compels me to do everything I can to make everyone realize just how big a threat he is to our liberties and freedoms. I love my country, but I am ashamed of my president and this current government. You are too smart to be one of the American Sheeple…some mindless farm animal following its owner around. You are better than that. When are you going to r ealized that neither the president or congress have the constitutional authority to curtail firearm rights?

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  • Anonymous

    And IMO the numbers are a pitiful commentary on our society …..

  • Sonny Daniels

    Please cite the exact portion of the Constitution that gives congress or the president this authority to do this? There is no authority granted to either the executive or legislative branch that will allow them to disregard the 2nd Amendment. In order for this to change, the Constitution, in its current state, would have to be amended. Otherwise, they are not afforded the power to create or enforce any “legislation” they may attempt. Secondly, I respect the office…I just don’t respect the commie occupying it. Third, the president is not supposed to be a legislator. His job is to sign or veto legislation passed on to his office from congress. PERIOD. The sixties??? Please.

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    You used the word amended and their or other ways but all they will do is what Pres. Obama did in his executive way on the things he wants as everyone know!! Taken other firearms from people as our regular hunting rifles, shotguns and pistols as everyone know we will for ever keep!! You call the president a commie and what facts have you to prove your statement for you know as I that this is a untrue statement!! If you respected the office you wouldn’t make statement as you do!! The president can be a legislature for the no party republicans don’t want to work with this president from the start!! That I believe is where the democrats will take the house back over for this president goes out to the people to get the job done as no other president ever did!! If you studied economic the 60′s was booming and when the Vietnam war started the economy to great heights which isn’t a good thing to say with our boys dying!!

  • http://www.natchezdemocrat.com khakirat

    You know this is unreasonable for a president and family if you know your history??!!

  • Anonymous

    thank you, well thought and written ,

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005300100392 Rachel Smith

    you couldnt have said this any better!!!!!! the president isnt going to do anything but make the crime rate go sky high because making it harder for people to purchase guns is only going to make them steal and hide etc. just like drugs they are illegal but everywhere you turn people have drugs and its the number one arrest cause in the united states so your right its not gonna make it harder for people to purchase guns cause they will do it regardless! and GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE! i wish i could scream that into people’s ears until they get it! and i will now and forever fight to keep my gun rights because it is our god giving right to protect ourselves and our families and i will go to my grave fighting to keep my rights! and yes i agree that guns should be in our schools because if someone comes through the doors blowing up people then if one of our teachers or security guards had a gun they could shoot back and try to stop him before doing horrible things! WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100005300100392 Rachel Smith

    People are going to purchase guns rather its legal or illegal!!!!!! and they are going to continue to use them even if they arent supose to have them or not and your telling me you would rather sit back and let these people blow you up or your family and you sitting back on your behind hoping that a punch or you throwing something or hiding under a desk is going to stop that person? you have LOST your mind if you think that! just like drugs they are illegal but alost 80% of america use drugs and purchase them everyday and nothing any president has said or any law they have passed has stoped it or made it harder to purchase! GET REAL people!!!!!! YES i think security gaurds in schools should have a gun to protect our children and theirselves and i will fight everyday till i am cold in the ground to keep my gun rights because its our god giving right to protect ourselves and our familes!!!!!!! and again GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE,PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!

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