Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He already has a big rv zone he developed. It is right across the street in that big ole empty parking lot of the Natchez visitors center. Remember that is why such a big parking lot was built, for all those rv's and tour busses that needed a place to park to help generate taxes and boost our "tourist industry". Remember the past or we will be condemned to repeat it. We would have done better making a skateboard park out of it. At least it's a good place to launch hot air balloons when the races come, use the restroom, and let your dog go do some business. For a man over MDOT, he apparently hasn't seen how high gas has gotten and the impact it has had on the rv market, much worse the automobile market. I would have thought he would have wanted to open a gas station for all these Rv's needing a fillup. What's next! A U.F.O docking station. How about a airplane engine factory for that CASA aircraft plant that was going to open. I wont hold my breath.

Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The hotels they have in that area now have very few cars in the parking lot. Why would we need more hotels??

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People here scream for jobs and development and then when it is proposed or actually comes to town no one seems happy.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the reason people are not happy is because some of us actually realize that Natchez is not going to thrive as a tourist destination.

It is a quaint little town, which I love, but a Tourist destination ??? I think not. No one makes any money off the pilgramage, that caters to the , and I say this with respect, but that caters to the retired people living on a limited income.

The only thing that brings real money to regular businesses is Balloon Races, those people come to PARTY and spend cash!

Natchez needs INDUSTRY to survive, we dont need to keep dreaming that tourists are going to save this town.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 4:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ntzmom, I wouldn't want to sound argumentive, but please let me suggest a different viewpoint. There are many retired people who have beaucoup money to spend. As stated above, this RV park is for the most expensive of RV's and apparently they consider people with $150,000 rv's a "less than desirable" class of folks. These are precisely the kind of people that we would like shopping in our downtown area and in other local areas as well. They have lots of money and the leisure to shop which is a welcome contrast to the bus tours (an area where we seem to agree). This is only a private venture by a private business person but I can see how it would help, in portion, the local economy.

Posted by GopherBaroque (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

RV's huh. Keep throwing it against the wall until something sticks.

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why would someone with an RV stay here amongst those hotels when they could stay on the water at the one simply across the bridge?

Posted by NoWireHangers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The price of gasoline has dropped the number of
RV travelers. Just because the price of gasoline is
going down for now doesn't mean anything. It will
be back up again.

Posted by sideline (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:08 a.m.

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Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You can't really say no one makes money off of Pilgrimage because the Spring Pilgrimage offers the Historic Confederate Pageant. In those four weeks many college students come here to party. But party goers are not the only spenders that matter, Ntzmom. For instance these people eat at restaurants, buy gas, etc. Then there are the King and Queen Balls which generate thousands of dollars for local vendors. Not to mention there are quite a few people who make their living making costumes for the pageant, so actually it is not a total bust.

Posted by bjparker (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good job Butch! We own a motorhome and, as a former Natchez resident, make frequent visits to the Natchez area in it. We did not pay $400,000 to $2 million for it but it is a nice rig. Does that mean we would not be allowed to stay there? That's a real shame. They are sure happy to have us at all of the wonderful resorts in Florida - even Key West - and at the Riverview in Vidalia (which is beautiful and run very professionally). We are approaching retirement and do not have tons of money to spend but I shop when I want something and we eat out when we choose. Please try to remember what happened to the Eola when it was first remodeled and a big issue was made over an 80-cent cup of coffee. If you start trying to pick and choose your clientele and giving some the idea that they aren't welcome, they may all stay away. Obviously you are not up to date on how RV people socialize when at RV resorts. The cost of the rig is not in the picture. The actions of the guests is the issue. That is what rules are for.
Betty Bench Parker

Posted by mike8427 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you don't own a RV you wouldn't know the demand, there is actually a good number of RV's that pass thru Natchez. I have had to send people out of town to find RV parks. The only problems with the ones in Ntz are they are expensive. But most of the people don't care b/c they want to stay in Ntz. I don't think alot of people above know what they are talking about b/c they know nothing of the subject, they just like to complain anytime somebody wants to open a business in Natchez.

Posted by saywhat (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am thinking that if something isn't done for the locals to keep them there then all you will have to support you will be the tourists. There is a need for activities for families. But then again why bother. You have the tourists.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

“It’s designed to have a nice feel that would match Natchez,” Vahle said.

Vahle said the development would be a resort, not an RV park. It would be designed to be used by those who own high-end recreation vehicles, giving a $500,000 to $2 million range.

The amenities are an endless possibility, with possibly a ........Here is an idea, how about a geriatric care facility and a vending machine that has Ben-gay, Tylenol, and arthritis medicine in it, along with the occasion Alzheimer meds.....

Just kidding around...

How about a bigger RV resort than Hotel???..With a swimming pool and other amenities that YOUNGER PEOPLE MIGHT LIKE!!!!!

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just think that area is a horrible spot for an RV park.....too small.....too much traffic......and pee-on winnebago's aren't good enough? lovely message to send out.

Posted by poohspiglet (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe the commission would even consider such a plan when they gave Fat Mama's such _______. When they built a very nice new restaurant. Also, they are talking about all the retirees will be bringing their RV's and they are going to build a basketball court. OKKK! How many of them would physically be able to get out and play basketball. If they have all this money, why not give it to the city so they can build a recreational complex that the whole city could use. Do something for the city not just their pockets.

Posted by Redchief (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Lord, please....not the return of Butch Brown, the great ex- mayor,(dictator) who gave Natchez such wonderful things as: a falling down, mold infested and underused Visitors Center (aka the Intercommodal center), the beautiful and debt ridden convention center, the shabby looking community center, a debt ridden city- the list could go on and on.

What an inappropriate thing to want to put on Canal street. And I agree with a previous comment- wasn't the intercommodal center designed to accomadate rvs? However, I challenge you to try to find a working exterior power outlet there- they are all corroded and inoperative.

Go away Butch. Find a nice banana republic somewhere and go there Be the great savior to them and leave Natchez alone.

And for Pete's sake- can the Tracetown intersection take less time to redo than the stupid bridge over Liberty Road? 2 years to redo that bridge was alittle much.

Posted by Fenwick (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Miss pooh I think that is a wonderfull idea. If business people all over the world will stop trying to make money and just start giving it away and also bilding nice things for us then we will all be very happy.

Posted by Fenwick (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. sayitloud, I'm not always a real good speller but I think you meant to right PEON instead. What you wrote looks funny to think about.

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Fenwick but the way I spelled it was the way I wanted it read......lol

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey atleast its private money wanting to invest in the city! That will add to the tax base. As long as it stays a private entity why should we care? If it dont work atleast the city and county wont lose money. The more business tax base we have the less our pesonal taxes are!

Posted by xenon314 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And the negative bloggers come out again...

I read over and over about how "this is a bad idea" and "that is a bad idea" and "we need industry".

blah blah blah...

If you want some of the things done listed above, go out and make it happen yourself, and quit waiting for someone else to do it.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

My husband & I have a beautiful 5th wheel that didn't cost any thing near the quoted price of acceptable visiting RV's and I think it would be a shame to only let people with 1/2 million and up RV's stay. There aren't very many of those types anyway. I understand not wanting the 20 year old fema trailer looking "RV's" but there are some nice ones that aren't priced so high. And by the way at the risk of insulting someone with one of the ritzy RV's, they're ugly on the inside. They look like something that Elvis's decorators designed. We looked at them before buying ours and they are quite gaudy.

Posted by sterlinged (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 8:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez beats all I have ever seen. We have so many negative thinking people that want to drop the bomb on anything that might make our town more inviting. I agree with oldgranddad! Natchezmom: industry is out of the question---it has all gone to China. We better improve what we have and make this city more tourist friendly, improved signage, clean things up--especially the weeded beds around the new Liberty Rd. interchange. Redchief, forget about the tracetown intersection, I'm sure the inconvenience will be worth it---the Liberty Rd. bridge is a million times nicer that what was there before. If anything, tear down Tracetown Shopping Center (talk about an eyesore!).... For all you anti Butch Brown folks, he has done a lot for Natchez, the bluff stablization, and of course the convention ctr., and visitors center (all of which are much nicer than we had before). Sometimes you have to spend money to make it... Thank God for some people who have "vision"... The narrow minded, backward, anti progress, negative thinking folks need to get their heads out of the sand---Natchez has a long way to go in becoming a top knotch tourist destination, but at least we have been moving ever so slowly in that direction.... Every one has a right to their own opinion, but what do you think people (who might be considering moving or visiting Natchez) think after reading all this negative garbage? Instead of running down everything, try to get off your butts and do something positive to make our town a better place to live and visit.... Wishful thinking, I know.... There is always going to be one rotten apple in the whole bunch, but I'm starting to wonder if the whole bunch isn't rotten? I have seen so many newcomers move to town, just throw their hands up in the air after about a year and move elsewhere. I know of many.... and I can't blame them.... We are only shooting ourselves in the foot when we try to stop progress, or run everything into the ground by saying Natchez doesn't need this, or Natchez can't support this...
When does it ever end?

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW sterlinged you hit the nail right on the head!!!!

Posted by NatchezBell (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well...I think the RV idea is good but instead of a Hotel; let it be a huge Park. I'd love to see a forever
Fair there. Some kind of theme park, water park, Rides & fun for kids; food, drinks, etc...now...that's where the money is. It's a proven fact that the kids have more than the adults to spend. And I'm a Baby Boomer...I want a fair.
Give us a nice well controled Fair w/o all the scammers of the old time fairs...just good clean fun for all...Amen

My kids take their kids to Baton Rouge to the water park there....HELLO??????????

Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love all the comments, "oh it will never work."

As if the people saying that have any money invested. What the @%$% do you care if someone tries something with their own money and it fails?? It's not your money invested! It's not hurting you! It's not taking anything out of your mouth! It's a freakin' vacant lot!

If the guy wants to build something and it meets all codes and laws, let him do it!

It might just work!!!!!!

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Butch Brown is not going to do anything unless it brings in a lot of money for himself and I can tell you he is looking out for numero uno.

Posted by Fenwick (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Miss Wifetoone, I think that you are very right about that. Some business people think about nothing but money and they never think about giving us any or spending it on us.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Fenwick might just be my new favorite blogger. I mean, he is obviously joking, but what makes it funny is that he most probably gets his inspiration for grammar mistakes and poor lifestyle comments from actual bloggers. Thanks for the laughs!!!

Posted by Fenwick (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Mr Pbnj. Some people hear have been very mean to me but you seem to be a very nice and smart person.

Posted by xenon314 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Umm...wifetoone...this is a capitalist society...making money is our prime directive!

What's wrong with looking out for "numero uno"? Do you not look out for yourself? I don't know you from Adam, but can you honestly say you put all others before yourself? If so, God bless you.

As long as it is not illegal, immoral, or unsafe, we have a right to make a profit at any business venture we want. That is the American Way, and I'm proud of it!

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yea just think if it works he could give some some people some of those uh uh uh things. What you callem? oh yea JOBS!!!!!

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NatchezBell - I lived in Natchez for 30 years and have seen what happens when they try to put something in for the youth - parents seem to think it is a free babysitting service and the kids completely destroy it because they have NO supervision and they have not been taught to repsect someone elses property!!!! I don't know that a RV park is the best thing especially right now because most of them have for sale signs on them! However, there is no way I would invest my money in a water park/theme because there is NO WAY you could enforce strict rules in order to protect your property. If you did, there would be an article about you in the paper with a bunch of negative comments about you :)

Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If we listened to all the "no it can't work" people on here we'd all be broke.

He's an idea the gloom and doom crowd might agree too; Let's bulldoze the whole city into the river.

I mean clearly there is no need to keep Natchez. It is useless and can't get anything right.

Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

MSviaTN: I'm not so sure about that. Surely other waterparks around the country have addressed the parental supervision requirement. It would just take a little research. I can't imagine it is a problem unique to the Natchez area.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would like to see a nice RV resort/hotel in that space. It seems like an appropriate place, between two existing hotels.
I don't think they will be asking you for a reciept for your RV when you check in, they stated the price will be higher to deter the less desirable.
I used to take my RV to Key West all the time. It's an ideal way to travel, completely self contained.
As far as you quacks that are screaming industry-industry...I agree we need it but never would it be built on that site!
From my understanding, that whole section across canal street, where Fat Mama's was will be turned into a park.
Until you folks are willing to invest your money into a new venture, you have no right to demand what people do with their own land.
As far as profits are concerned, again, have you put any $$ into the deal? It's asanine to say that any private business has a responsibility to share their profits with you unless you are a shareholder. Dang Democratic, liberal way of thinking. What is owed to you versus how are you going to work to attain your goals.
Poor childish Fenwick...I believe PBNJ was being sarcastic...

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I would never have believed that we would have so many people that honestly think a man (or woman) should not have the right to pursue a business venture that they so choose with their own money. Folks, that line of thinking used to be called communism.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OGD I don't care what he does with his money, All I'm saying is people thinks he's going to do a lot for Natchez, and he is NOT.

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wifetoone - anyone that starts a new business does it with the hope of making money - they probably do not do it with the attitude that they are going to do it just for everyone else with no intention of padding their pocketbook! HELLO!

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was not going to post but this , I guess that it really is not the fact of improvment on our city, but my gosh guys. Butch Brown, some one please for once (if only once) listen to NatchezEnema. It was for sure Butch Brown who is the number one uno responsible for the what ever you want to call that building in the whole. He did push and push very hard to build that not only for every conceivble business he could get in there to an RV Park as well. Just take a look at it now. Is IT Really better than what we had before, and what about his other big adventure on Broadway, Is he really for the good of our area? Historic Port Gibson, I mean come on OPEN YOUR EYES. Let's see how did it go, he owned the wholes but could not make a profit off of it for saleing it , but could make money off of the dirt that went out of there that went to where, oh yea, where he wants to build an RV park for the RICH! I would think no one in the tourism business should ever, ever ever limit their location to just the RICH. I wonder if Butch Brown will put up a gate keep to decide just who is rich enough to enter these gates. WOW is right. We are not being negative you folks just realistic. And generally want to be nice to all that visit Natchez no matter what they drive in.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

He has been here before he knows what Natchez is like and what Natchez needs, but is he thinking that way NO. HELLO

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Actually, I was not. Lately on this site people are for one thing one day and for the other the next. Most probably nothing will ever make some of these people happy, so yes, his comments do humor me. Especially when I think back to other comments similar that were not jokes. So actually, what his comments are instead of jokes, they are ridicules.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Essentially, the prices of the pads would wean out any less than desirable clientele."

Now if we could just do something about the undesirable citizens who think they have a right to live in Natchez just because they were born here. There must be a way to do it. Those people don't vote usually anyway.

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well - I am sure about it - have seen it and been involved with it myself.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Will they have to pay the $2.00 tax to stay? But i guess since they are the rich ones $2.00 does not mean anything to them, I mean hell they are driving a million dollar RV. I wonder, does Butch have a million dollar RV?

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why should anyone care its his land, his money!! Would any of you wanna be told how to spend your money?

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Would you like it more if the city funded the project??!!

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the our government/city spends our money how they want to, actually with out even asking us, so I guess we are already told how to spend our money if we like it or not.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No, aak 1972, look what is going on with the city now and their involvment with the hotel's.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

News flash Headlines read:
Come ,Come all to our beautiful town of Natchez, Mississippi but only come if your net worth is over 1 million, if you are of less value than that please stay home, we do not want you, you do not have enough money anyway for anything in our town. So Please STAY HOME, you will be better off for it.

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What is the difference between having an RV park that is geared toward the rich than having hotels that only the rich can afford???

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This whole idea is simply cruel. To say we will build but only for you wealthy folks is just cruel and certainly leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who will come here with their RV's only to be turned away for not "being good enough".

And what red neck are they going to have at the site to send them away?

Posted by Fenwick (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

whataboutit, you made 3 fast posts like you was having a conniption. I hope you are alright. I don't have any million of dollars but people in Natchez treat me good in town.

Happybunny, for a "happy bunny" you should smile more often.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess ignorance is bliss...they are not going to ask you for your tax returns to get into the park. The lot will simply cost more. If the Clampetts want to spend that kind of money, they can stay there.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:38 a.m.

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Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Go to a car lot dressed like the Clampetts, and you will be shone a used car, go dressed in a suit, and everybody in the building will take you down............. So it's not how you are dressed, are what you look like. So watch out they may have more money than you think.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some people know nothing but complaining! There is only 1 hotel the city is involved in. And noone is putting income limitations on visitors to Natchez.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Has anyone noticed its the same people that complain?

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have...it is usually Sayitloud. She has something to complain about...well...ALL THE TIME!!!

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I"m glad to know there are some people that have $1million to throw away on motorhome.

I wouldn't even if I could.

The idea of a resort development is cool in my mind, as long as it doesn't turn into a trailer park once it gets built and no one uses it and they have to come down to reality and allow those of us that have RV's around the $100,000 - 300,000 range (still not me!) Hahahahaha, never gonna happen, but I guess I am out of touch on the RV scene.

But I can't blame ol Butch for trying to scam a resort developer into paying me a lot of money for developing my property. Hope he can pull it off, it might mean some jobs for some folks I guess.

Sounds like a pipe dream to me. Butch must be smoking something stronger than tobacco. That or these resort developers got a lot of money to throw away and need a tax write-off, who knows.

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Butch does NOT have an RV.

Butch is the ONLY mayor in years with any vision.

I did see in the article that is NOT just his money being invested, but also another company involved.

Not being from Natchez, but fond of it, all of you naysayers do NOTHING to help boost the image of the great small town.

Do any of you know the difference between capitalism and socialism?

Why do some of you think you are OWED ANYTHING? Those who take the risk gain the reward. What have ANY of you invested in Natchez besides hostility toward those who TRY to improve it?

Obviously, to those intelligent posters, my kudos. (If you don't understand, then don't worry about it.)

Posted by scarlettohara (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I don't know how some of you are even walking around!

That gigantic chip some of you have on your shoulders must be extremely heavy!!

Wifetoone and sayitloud (as always) seem to be carrying the heaviest load. You poor things!

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

notfromnatchez....obamayamama......one in the same.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:57 a.m.

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Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WELL SAID KNOWALITTLE!!!!

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are WAY off. I don't know Obamayamama, but they can't be all bad if they have incurred your wrath. You only give it out when people point out how stupid you are...and prove it.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't pity me cause frankly my dear I don't give a damn.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I do believe that tourism in Natchez is not a thriving industry. Not many people in my generation give a crap about an old house or pecan factory and when the people who have blocked everything from coming to town that they were scared of are dead and gone they will leave behind a city that will struggle to keep up with the rest of the world. Thanks a lot for putting that monkey on our back. History is where we come from not where we are going. So if anything should be recycled its the mind set of Natchez! Butch wants to spend his OWN money for a change so let him!!

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sayitloud...boxofrocks...one of the same

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OH, by the way, since it was mentioned above

the intersection at Tracetown

it is the first of it's kind in Mississippi- a Continuous Flow intersection with computer controlled lights controlled according to the actual traffic flow, I've seen a drawing and description of it, as long as the power supply is there it will work good, but without power I wonder how many wrecks there will be??? Natchez will be a guinea pig for this it seems. But as long as it works it should help us locals get in and out of Tracetown. The residents along the frontage road of Seargent Prentiss will no longer have traffic problems as it looks like the frontage road will actually be disconnected from Tracetown.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

knowalittle, you are not from our city, but you know butch the bully? or a least well enough to know he does not own an RV? Does not really matter, Since you do not seem to knowalot about our past dealings with Butch and his wonderful, just wonderful ideas now and while he was mayor of our fair city, well then.......you may need to learnalot.

Posted by Swapmeet (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yea Fendick i was having a conniption. What exactly is a conniption?"

Like a conniption fit whataboutit. BTW, I know you made a typo when typing Fenwick's name because you're not suppose to type something that vulgar on here. Right?

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I want all the people who had a negative blog about this to put their industrial and development ideas on here!!!!!!

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:29 a.m.

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Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:30 a.m.

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Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

my experience notfrom has always been that those that scream that others around them are stupid are the stupid ones indeed.

Kinda like you and obamayamama

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think we should force Butch Bown to donate that property to Disney Land so we can have a nice place for our children to play....LMAO!!!
Private land...not your decision!
Stupid people make my head hurt!

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It amazes me how people who only know of Brown at a distance can act as though they know the whole truth. There are so many things that were done while he was mayor that would blow your mind if you knew. To do with business, personal and in many other categories.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

purplehaze, how do you think he got his money to do what he is wanting to do. Worked hard being the Mayor. Make me laugh.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Krogers, you may be able to answer this, Do you know who owns the Tracetown Shopping center?

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I heard a saying yesterday that I think fits this forum. If you don't use your head then you may as well have two a$$e$. The things that are written on these articles are some of the most ridiculous bunch of "words" I've ever seen.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wifetoone, I saw his underhanded ways up close and personal

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pbnj, I know Tracetown used to be owned by the Mitchell Co. out of Mobile. The same company that owns Ruby Tuesday.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you, but then again I have a chip on my shoulder, so I'm carring the heaviest load. I think not.

Posted by readingthepaper (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Butch may not have an RV, but at one point in time had a nice "little boat" on the coast he spent time on while short changing his employees. Think about people, it is Butch's land! He would say develop a turnip farm there if he thought the city or someone else would come in and actually do the development and hew would walk away with a nice profit. Butch is smart, slick, and rich. But all those things don't necessarily make you a fine upstanding citizen, or even a good boss for that reason.Like it was mentioned above, if the city okays an RV park on that land, and gave the Gammill's everloving you-know-what about the construction of Fat Mama's, we need to see who has greasy Butch money in their pocket. That being said, I personally think Butch was a good mayor. It takes a crook to think like a crook and Butch was in the crooked network to pull strings to get jobs and other grants, etc.. for Natchez. But you can always bet he is looking out for himself.

Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i do think the city needs to put one BIG restriction on the RV park.

NO FEMA TRAILERS! It is NOT to become a FEMA park should there be a need for people to have a mobil home for shelter.

Under no circumstances should this park ever hold temphousing/FEMA trailers even for a week.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

pbnj

There are a number of owner/partners

J. W. Properties out of Mobile, AL manages it

if you want to contact them email me

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wife, thank you for levelheadedness.

Purple, if you only knew...

Reading, are you Rinaldi?

Sayit, why do you even bother.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

but the more I think about this possible development

it sounds like a nice thing if they can pull it off and draw in such a "high end" clientelle.

Natchez could benefit greatly by becoming a resort hot spot. We need a big theme park, I've always thought that, something to do with the Mighty Muddy and Tom Sawyer type theme maybe, Huckleberry Finn and all that. A big muddy slide down the bluff and escelators back up.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

there are people out there looking for good clean fun to drive to

at the just recent Food and Lifestyle Expo and the Natchez Convention Center

this event was well attended, annually draws 10,000 visitors

Natchez can be a tourist and resort hot spot if we do it right. So my hat is off to Butch for thinking OUT OF THE BOX!!!

Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Excellent thoughts Krogers!

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Kroger, don't think a theme park would be that big of a draw, but maybe... I agree with the out-of-the-box comment also.

Play to your best hand...i.e., tourism.

Resort is the sort of moniker that Natchez needs. It would open up an entirely underserved clientele.

Posted by NtzRiver (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RV.......RV....HMMM DON'T SEE IT HAPPENING. I RATHER STAY AT A HOTEL. THE TRAFFIC OF PULLING IN AND LEAVING, THEY MIGHT WANT TO RETHINK THEIR IDEA. WHY DON'T THEY PUT A MCALISTER DELI BY DQ OR A CHILLIS. IF IS SEE ANOTHER MEXICAN RESTURANT GO UP I'M CALLING BORDER CONTROL. THIS TOWN LACKS GOOD EATING PLACES. AND WHY ARE WE PUTTING A SHOPPING CENTER IN THE MALL PARKING LOT????

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Its not a shopping center its a restaraunt!!!!

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again, agreeing with someone else but never an original comment for dumbsayitloud.

Sayitloud is a complete and total racist who has no original ideas to add to any article on this website. I have stated and brought up many different interesting topics and points. If you do not believe me, go back and look. Now compare what I have to say to what sayitloud has to say (including all her one liners) and then be the judge of which one is stupid.

Posted by noneya (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It's Mr. Browns property to do as he pleases with it (and his right to gain/lose assests). What I want to know is how the heck is he going to be able to pull this whole thing off with NHF? How would one make a RV park fit into the theme downtown Natchez wants to emulate?

Posted by noneya (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Maybe they could park in a "stall" or carriage house.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh and let me also that sayitloud REPORTED ME TO THE ND for my retaliation (which was absolutely flawless) on her when she personally emailed me calling me a black (#(#)#. Now, that being said, WHO IS THE COWARD, WHO IS THE RACIST, WHO IS THE MORON WHO KEEPS BELIEVING SHE IS ACTUALLY INTELLIGENT.

I rest my case.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Do notice I did not end that sentence with a question mark because there is no question about the entire statement.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I appreciate that sayitloud

By the way, you missed some really good work-outs this week, I think I even lost a couple of pounds, we did a lot of kicks last night, and earlier in the week had a good wrestle, I feel great today.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

knowalittle, Believe me I do know. Lots and lots!!!!!!!

Posted by natchez500 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wifetoone you are right about butch but remember tony byrne he rented the cock of the walk building to his wife for $1.00 a year for 20 years yes they all get rich on the tax payers dollar look at the tax assessor how did he get all that property he owns from his position again you are right wifetoone thanks for stating the truth and you others leave her alone

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

As for the RV park in Natchez, look at Vidalia's RV park. It is doing great. Maybe this would be good for Ntz.

Krogers, let me know when and where those work outs are, I sure would like to meet sayitloud. Lots of kickin...

Posted by readingthepaper (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

knowalittle
your comment made me lol! First because I rarely get on here and PERSONALLY bash someone (which I really wasn't that harsh) and second because I think Rinaldi can be a jerk SOMETIMES and sometimes he is dead on. Either way he isn't going to hide under a fake name in the democrat. While we are guessing, today seems to be the only time you have commented! Must have some pretty close ties to Butch huh? Would you be in MSviaTn too? Or did you have to move?

Posted by Swapmeet (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This is one reason I come to this site. You never know what's going to hit a nerve with folks. When I first read the RV article, I thought to myself that this would not have very many comments. Ho-hum. I just knew that the doctor article would respark the NCH vs. NRMC debate. Boy was I wrong. LOL.

Somebody did comment on having good eating places. I agree. I wish Chile's would come in. I like it a lot better than Ruby Tuesday's and RT's is so, so expensive for the quality in my humble opinion. As far as Mexican, I love me some El Potro's. It's clean, the waiters are super friendly, and lunch specials for $3.99 is awesome (you also get a free lunch after having six lunch specials). I like DQ, but I never go on that side of town. What I wish above all things would be a Cracker Barrel, but we would probably need an interstate running through here to get one. Maybe with the first continuous-flow intersection of it's kind in the U.S., we can replace RT's with a Cracker Barrel. ;) j.k.

Posted by SayItRight (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 12:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A nice pool and clubhouse with a mix of modular or tiny cabins to rent AND RV slots would be nice. If the modular cabins worked well he could increase the number of them and sell or rent them.

Example: http://www.wired.com/images/slideshow/20...

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enkikur--

oh man I have to hand it to you on that comment, what insight you have- I love you man!!! They might not vote, I hope not, but if you ask them about politics-- It's Bush's fault, and Obama knows EVERYTHING and will make our lives a sudden UTOPIA!!

If only those folks you are talking about would pack up and go find a job, AMEN!!

I know I had to for a while, then destiny brought me back here, with a job!!!!

The Lord does work in His Mysterious Way!!!

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oldgranddad and TexasRanger

I know some folks that work in the hotels/motels

The most visited hotel/motel in Natchez is the EconoLodge, they do a lot of business and always have good business

Cheap rates, good clean rooms. And I think they might even have some resident entertainers???? Just a rumor mind you.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

but that doesn't really fit in with tourism and folks wanting to spend extra cash does it??

these are mostly working folks here on the job, construction crews and the like

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez500 - ummm the tax assessor has not been a tax assessor all of his life - he did have other businesses BEFORE becoming tax assessor - I knew him long before he was assessor - trust me that job hasn't made him rich - know what you are talking about before you speak.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well Krogers maybe Butch could name his new hotel Nelly`s Revised!!!

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with MSviaTN about the assessor, maybe it was one from prior days that Natchez500 is speaking of.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well lets talk about all this rv stuff my Natchez brethren. Lets talk about mom and pops in their big million dollar rv. They left Gulf shores after mom went shopping at the outlet mall (she loved all the name brand stores), pops played golf for a couple days (2 under par hole 9 2nd day), and they loved the beach. They filled up and sped off to Biloxi. There, pops dropped about 10,000$ at one of the many casinos, mom did a lot more shopping, got a massage and later they both caught a nice Kenny Rodgers concert at the Beau Rivage that night. Wanting some different atmosphere they cruised over to New Orleans. Pops got a tummy ache from eating to many raw oysters and mom dropped a few thousand at the casino( pops loved all the pretty girls,LOUD MUSIC, and jazz street bands PAST 2am IN THE MORNING) cant' beat a Pat O's hurricane. They heard about natchez there and decided to come up the next day. Here comes mom and pops in there million dollar rv. They pull into Butch's new RV park. First thing they notice is the beautiful view of the back of 2 hotels not the river. Mom wants to shop in dowtown Natchez. FOR WHAT? Well, she picked up some, some,some, well some? Some jelly. Pops won back some of his loss at one of the casinos, he was so happy he wanted to go out but since it was a little past 2am he couldn't have a drink at the under the hill saloon he had heard so much about. See, Natchez just passed a law shutting down the bars at 2am. So the next morning pops got some alka seltzer and they caught a buggy ride and checked a few old houses out. They needed a fillup but the gas at RV park was way to high, Butch had it at 6$ a gallon. They went to Louisiana to fill up and decided to stay at the rv park across the river. It had a nice view of the river, gas was cheap and the mosquitos were not bad. They had enough and decided to slip up to Memphis and see the King and Graceland. Point is, this new pie in the sky idea will not bring good paying jobs. Maybe some more gas pumpers, street sweepers, and septic tank cleaners. Butch promised boom with his Visitors center, convention center and the new light poles downtown. The only thing that got fat was his wallet and the only thing that boomed was our taxes and liabilty. Ease taxes, restrictions, invest in industry and the future not the past, and let the good times roll. Hey, come back and see us pops! Bring the grandkids next time, were working on a water sprinkler park and will have a nice walking trail too. VRRROOOOM

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NatchezEnema - I think you need an enema - lol

Posted by Redchief (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Fact- Butch Brown does NOTHING that does not feather his pockets. When he was mayor, he did NOTHING that did not advance his cause or legacy.

Some posters scream " we need to move past tourism! It is a dead thing! Let Butch build his rv emporium and hotel! "

Excuse me- do those ventures not need tourists to survive?

How many people travel to view industries? " Oh honey, how sweet! Look at those beautiful smokestacks and all the industrial waste! Isn't this romantic?!"

And if you don't think tourism plays to the masses, look at Colonial Williamsburg. Or Gettysburg. Or Mount Rushmore. Or Yellowstone. Or the Biltmore Estate.

Some of you are idiots that are wet behind the ears. Always whining that you need more to entertain yourselves with, at the expense of all else. What ever happened to just enjoying being alive and living in a free country?
Or enjoying each other's company? Or playing family games? Or picnicing?

Do you want Natchez to look like the mainstreet of Vidalia? For a "city on the move" they look like a travelling carney. Boards and policy are in place to try to preserve what historic elements are here in visual appeal.

And Fat Mama's building sticks out like a turd in a punchbowl. Sorry. It goes against all the surrounding architecture. A Plain- Jane box of a building.

So , make up your mind. Are you for new hotels? If so, how can you berate the tourism industry? Are you for rv pads? Well, what do you think these folks are going to stop here to see?
Thw house on Madison street down by Blankensteins that has all the figurines and statues on the walkway and porch?!

Posted by natchez500 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

yes she does

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN NatchezEnema!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Redchief, you cant compare Natchez to any of those places you mentioned. And I would rather see smokestacks than one more pilgrim not one tourist has put a dime in my pocket. Atleast smokestack industries would pay a decent wage so more people could afford the products that my business offers! I may be wet behind my ears but when your dead I will have to stuggle to stay in my home town because of thinking like yours! I dont care if people come to Natchez and see no romantic sights. The jobs tourism creates are low paying. It dont take age or a lot of wisdom to figure that out. The reason I say let Butch build is, its his land and private money. If he fails oh well its his loss not the taxpayers.

Posted by noneya (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

GO FOR IT,BUTCH!!! What's there to loose?

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Traveling carney...hah! That's pretty original, of course, what would Natchez compare to RedChief? Harlem? Same thing is happening to Ntz, all that is left are the riots, and I don't doubt they are somewhere in the future.

Truth is all the hotels will be empty brick structures in 10 years. The balloon races are the only big event for Natchez, and that is deteriorating because Natchez doesn't have enough money to help fund and support the ballooners.
But I must admit, I did like your comment on Fat Mama's.

Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

aak1972--move to China. They have plenty of smokestack jobs there.

Posted by noneya (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, there's a lot Butch could loose, but what is there for Natchez to loose?

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NatchezEnema what a hoot................

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I would bet if some research were done you would find that much more money was spent on enertainment by people under 40. And im sorry if this offends anyone but thats the generation that we need to cater to for future development. And i did say future.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

natchezsouthside , name me 20 people under 40 that have outstanding pay and benefits!!

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's just it redchief. This is Natchez, NOT Gettysburg,Mt Rushmore, Yellowstone, or Williamsburg, GET IT. It never will be. Until a select few around here stop thinking that if we tax more and spend more it will be, this place will never rise. How many hundreds of millions in tax and grant money do you think has been spent trying to make Natchez something it's not. Sure we have tourists but the industry for what we have has already peaked and started a slow decline. We need something new, GET IT! We have milked the old home business to a point it is milking our future now by people who think that is the only thing we have to offer. But, I guess we could carve statues of our last 4 mayors in the side of the bluff, there is enough hot air comming out of downtown that would put Old Faithful to shame. And since, didn't but about 14 troops come to the defense of Natchez when Farragut parked his Northern fleet under the hill during the Civil War, I doubt we can compare to Gettysburg. Eat nothing but bannanas every day all the time and you will get my point. SAME OLD SONG AND DANCE. Tell me 10 things that tourism has caused to boom in this town after all the millions that have been spent on it. I wont hold my breath. Better yet, drive through Natchez and look at all the empty parking spaces in our new hotel parking lots.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

oh yeah and live in Natchez

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I do but sure don't live there!

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dang!! All this just because someone wants to build an RV park for older folks with big RVs and a Hotel that will never have more than half the rooms full????

get along little doggie.....

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When you get told what you can and cant do with your owm land and money that resembles China more than smokestacks but thanks for the advise southside

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And if you are of the age and lucky enough to have kids that graduated college or even know of any tell me where they live??

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eat a bananna aak1972, they are good for ya!

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOl maybe so but they pushed my buttons!!!

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

redusmfan, It's not about the RV park or the hotel so much as it is about the same person using less than "legal ways" of turning a profit and always a BIG profit. And sometimes at the expense of other people.

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purp -- what is he doing that is "less than 'legal'?

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Canal Street is turning into a dump. What was a put-put golf course is now a shell. The road is full of shells from old houses to old "joints". The road itself is in awful condition. My car almost bottoms out everytime I drive over the no longer used railroad tracks. The only glue to holding any of that street together is the Pile of Debris crowd.
Something should be done to improve that area. Whether it's a RV park or a Chuck E Cheese, just DO SOMETHING PLEASE, and fix those huge pot holes or whatever that is in the road!

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

There were a lot of transactions that transpired in his days as mayor that fall under that category.

Posted by sterlinged (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If we could put all the gloom and doom folks on a train and ship them elsewhere, Natchez might stand a better chance. Butch Brown, and whoever for that matter wants to invest money in our community---go for it. It's so easy to sit in front of a computer ranting and raving about stuff that many who are writing don't even have a clue about. If Natchez is that bad, get the you know what out of Dodge, otherwise, form groups/ committees to start getting things back on track and moving in the right direction. Pull over on the side of the road and pick up trash/weeds, try to improve our schools----don't just pick this poor little town to pieces and the brave folks who see potential in a place that so many want to run into the ground! I don't know if its something in the water or the air, but we seem to have a higher per capita ratio of "gripers" than the average small town in America. Natchez could be another Charleston or Savanah if we had enough people that cared enough to move it in that direction.... Instead, we are surrounded by a sea of poverty and ignorance.... but, as the old saying goes, when life deals you lemons, make lemonade... The few in Natchez that do have vision, and see a future for this place will have to overcome all the negative folks and persevere ahead....Build, build, build, and they will eventually come! People aren't investing millions in hotels just for the heck of it.... So what if the parking lots aren't full at night---eventually they might if we can improve upon what we already have.... I would like for our city leaders to ride out to the Natchez Trace on Liberty Rd. and pretend they are ariving here for the first time----What do you see??? WEEDS! Neglected medians! Not a very good first impression! It's the little details that count in order for our city to grow with new jobs, and with new visitors.... So for all you folks who think we can't be anything any better---we never will be as long as you sit back and point the finger instead of making a change... Natchez could be a lot more than it is if it weren't for so many folks who don't have faith in it.......

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You just think he wants to invest in Natchez. He's good at making you think that way. Convincing you that it would be in your best interest and laughing all the way to the bank. And before you know it you've been had and never knew it was coming. Does he live in Jackson now and just come back to Natchez to visit his antebellum home which belonged to his wife's family? He always comes out smelling like a rose. I guess the only thing somewhat positive I can say on his behalf is that he knows how to scam people. LOL!!

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you Ed for some honest comments. Natchez does seem to have a higher ratio of 'gripers!' Sounds like Butch is doing yet another visionary project.

These morons who run down Natchez are just looking for their next freebie. Good thing there are some level heads down there like you. Natchez will return and hopefully sooner. Have a good weekend, Sterling

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purp -- your comments are so blantantly misinformed and utterly ridiculous. Wish you KNEW...

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

knowalittle, now you are the idiot!

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

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Posted by justthefactsman (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez doesn't need anymore casinos, hotels, banks, churches or tourist attractions. What Natchez needs is some good old fashion Industry. High paying jobs. Skilled Labor. Some place where people can have a job and not have to work 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet. ALTHOUGH things were alot better when Butch was mayor. Get us some industry in this area please.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Most of what sterlinged said is true. It takes effort to give a good first impression. The reality is; Brown is not the way. Haven't people seen what happens when he's involved. I can't say that I know what the solution is but I do know that Brown isn't it. I Love Natchez. But luckily, I can remember it the way it used to be. I hope for the people still there that it can be that place again. Realistically; I doubt it.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'll repeat what I said earlier for knowalittle (I know first hand about Butch). I'll elaborate just a bit; Do you know the story of the Roth Hill venture? Do you know about the vacant lot on the corner of Jefferson and Broadway? Do you know who paid to keep it cut? There are so many more that I'm sure you know "little" about.

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Purp, finally some positivity. If not Brown though, then who? Has ANYONE down there tried? You Purp?

Posted by knowalittle (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, yes, and yes. But obviously YOU again are misinformed and are spreading lies and rumors.

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im on your side sterlinged. Some people dont want Natchez to grow.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Knowalittle, actually I was very instrumental in a lot of things before I left Natchez. My family was one of the first families of MS and in Natchez. And if you know of the things I spoke of then you know they aren't lies. Otherwise, you wouldn't know of them. I have no reason to lie about anything. If I have first hand knowledge of these things then how can I be misinformed.

Posted by whataboutit (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The truth hurts knowalittleof nothing. What positive can you say about the man? That he is in tune with heritage? That he liked to have sunk his city with building the Intermodel Center, That he does not hestitate to cut down any body and any thing that gets in his way. Let's just say he builds a RV place, and let's just say it is a flop, Will he try and sell it to the City for a profit? Come on you can not think he is God, like you are acting.

Posted by Swapmeet (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Really... All I want for Christmas is a Cracker Barrel.

(Sung to the tune of "All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth".)

Posted by Redchief (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Cheers for a Cracker Barrel. And a Lowes.

But if I was an industry looking at locating here, it wouldn't take me long to head the other way.

Our labor force is largely ignorant and un- educated. The public school system is a JOKE! And whether you like it or not, it was the stupid union and their leadership that led to the ultimate closure of Titan Tire and IP.

Hell, look at the spelling and grammar of some of these postings. It is truly appalling, and doesn't speak well of our education.

I say, up with tourism, down with Butch, and find ways to SELL this area!

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 4:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

HA yea up with tourism down in population!!!!!

Posted by tcauthen (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

purp, Did I miss something? Is Butch running for office again?

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Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 5:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im not anti tourism Im pro industry tourism only has proven not to work a good combination of both would be great

Posted by aak1972 (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My kids have dnt even know a of a pagaent

Posted by bjparker (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 5:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have no problem with Butch and think he is a smart business man. Business men are supposed to try to make money for themselves. My problem comes with the part about only allowing the $400,000 > motorhomes. Purplehaze, you are correct. I have been in some 5th wheels that put our Class A motorhome to shame - lots roomier and nicer. And I certainly agree with natchezenema or whoever referred to waking up and looking at the back side of two hotels. Even us peons that cannot afford $400,000 motorhomes prefer to stay at a place with a view. In fact, sometimes we pay twice as much for just that. That is the reason that we like the Riverview RV Park in Vidalia. Yea, Cappy and Larry!! You had the right idea.

Posted by purplehaze (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To answer your question tcauthen, I was just responding to knowalittle. Who seems to think Butch is the best thing since sliced bread. I've tried very hard to be nice and stick to the facts as I know them not just as I have heard them. Knowalittle ventured into calling me a liar so I gave a few examples. I also feel that it's not just the RICH Rv owners that spend money. It's understandable that no one wants fema trailers to be allowed but there are decent families that travel with campers etc. that might like to stay somewhere nice too.

Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NatchezEnema, you're right on! Relying on old antiquated ideas will only serve to keep Natchez going around the same old hill. Keep your eyes South to Louisiana. Louisiana is going to get on the ball while Natchez continues to place all of it's proverbial eggs into one basket. The SAME THING that was going on when I grew up there. No progress. Good proposal, name 10 things that have flourished in Natchez and continue to do so, that is positive for the whole of the city, not a select few. Again, I am not sure why Natchez never seems to want to invest in her citizens? Industry is not dead and all industry HAS NOT moved to China. Some companies REFUSE to outsource their work to the Chinese and remain viable businesses today, in America. I say, if you want tourism, have it. But Natchez should be tired of cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

swapmeet) I heard that the space in front of the mall was going to be Red Lobster.... Now that is probably a rumor.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

wifetoone, I can nearabouts guarantee that if someone were to open a Red Lobster there we would immediately have 20 posters on this site whining and complaining about it because the owners did not spend their money on something else instead.

Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well it really doesn't matter to me because I"m allergic to seafood.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Anybody heard anything on that new cart in front of the horse tax, oh wait I mean, hotel tax?

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Of course the world didn't stand still. The world grew.
In a couple of years, the new highway came through
And they built it right over those two stubborn Zax
And left them there, standing un-budged in their tracks.

Posted by bjparker (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One more comment. I have found in the business that I am in that the real expensive motorhomes are custom made and primarily owned by pro atheletes and entertainers if the unit is $400,000 > and they definitely do not stay in RV Parks/Resorts. Maybe some people have the idea that RVers stay at Wal-Marts (where by the way we are self- contained and welcome and could if we chose), but we have never chosen that route. We may if our only other opiton is to stay in a hole behind a couple of hotels with garbage dumpsters and etc. People that pay a good price for any RV do not appreciate being hidden from the public. If you have an issue with riff raff, make it a resort for 55 + citizens. THAT IS WHERE THE REAL MONEY IS, This will be very intersting to see how it works out. We initially wanted to retire in Nathez but things have gone go sky high and the attitude is so bad there that we will probably choose another area. We still have lots of friends and family there and will be visiting from time to time but Natchez just doesn't get it!!! We will be in Vidalia at the Riverview. Cappy and his gang are great.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's right bj. I have a name for the new rv park. HOTEL VIEW RV PARK.

Posted by bjparker (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That's a good name, Enema. I am tired of the topic, but like I said, We will spend our money with Cappy (and his park isn't cheap - just nice with a view.) I suppose the guy that made the initial statement did not choose his words before speaking (there is a phrase for that) but when it goes to press you are in deep doo doo. He obviously knows nothing about the RVing industry. Maybe he should have done some research. Our rig was UNDER $400 G and has cedar-lined closets, a washer and dryer, an ice maker, a queen-sized bed with a vanity and an extra lavatory in the bedroom, a sit-down shower and satellite system with a sound system with surround sound. We have been on the more expensive rigs that had no more to offer. Just bettr wood or something of that nature. Give me a break. They are absolute idiots on the topic. Like i said earlier, the other Rvers do not ask what you paid for your rig. They pretty much already know and they do not care anway. It's called actions speak louder than dollar signs. People are judged by the way they act. I love Natchez and hate that so much controversy is going on there now. We wanted to retire there but it is not in the picture now. Maybe one day.............

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

bjparker, believe me, the only real controversy tends to be here on the Democrat's site which gives the wackos a soapbox to complain on. The average person could care less about a new rv park and most all folks welcome a new business.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 10:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who are you calling wackos OGD?

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sorry, but this is like too funny. Can you imagine outsiders reading this site and seeing a person posting with the user name "NatchezEnema" asking who are the wackos?

But to answer your question, NatchezEnema, it was meant broadly towards those people who ALWAYS come on here and put down any and every type of business or change that is proposed for Natchez and our area. I'll also include those people who have the audacity to tell Butch Brown or myself or anyone else how they should invest their own private funds. I hope that in your case the shoe does not fit since I have read in the past where you make some good posts. Sometimes. :)

Posted by Swapmeet (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

...Of course the world didn't stand still. The world grew.
In a couple of years, the new highway came through
And they built it right over those two stubborn Zax
And left them there, standing un-budged in their tracks."

ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good one OGD. That is the wittiest comment I've seen on here in the last couple of weeks. I read that story to my daughter not to long ago. I'm still laughing.

"Posted by wifetoone (anonymous) on August 22, 2008 at 7:39 p.m. (Suggest removal): swapmeet) I heard that the space in front of the mall was going to be Red Lobster.... Now that is probably a rumor."

Thanks WTO. I'm not a huge Red Lobster fan, but I will still go there because it's something new. I would like to see a Chile's though.

Posted by hopefloats (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 12:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

That would be great if it were a Red Lobster..love the one in pensacola. I know some of tracetown was owned by butch brown family and friends...so if he puts a new interchange with street going into tracetown..maybe he will put a good business there. I don't agree with the RV Resort being in downtown...shouldn't it be where the view is better? I would love to see those million dollar RV's around town...like the one in palm springs...with a golf course on it..hey maybe he could put it at the old country club on pine ridge road...or bellwood golfing with a view of the river. i think everyone here loves to hear good things about natchez on the news and in articles...Southern Lady magazine just featured Natchez..Food network was here..movies filmed here..hey thats tourism!! Industry? How many ppl. say hey i want to work in a factory when i grow up? No that was the only option for many coming out of school here..Those kinds of factorys obviously aren't needed anymore...there needs to be smart industry here..what is needed now in the world...something that is needed for years to come..Rentech is working on something for the future..there have to be many more that we could attract. We are on the verge of recyling our waste.Supervisors get busy! If the complex in texas was the largest subcontractor of the pentagon making parts for something then obv. natchez could subcontract making parts for planes, etc. Like natchez regional they are looking for someone to come in to bring services / new ideas that are needed to this area. lets move ahead i say...go for it butch.

Posted by starla (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 6:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A 2 million dollar RV??? Jeebus! I'd like to see that! That's got to be a misprint or misquote. You can get a mansion for that much money!!!

Posted by sterlinged (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN HOPEFLOATS and OldGrandDad!!! We need more people around here with your type of thinking!!!! I wished all the folks that come onto these blogs bashing everything would take a hike..... It's a select few that come here and do so. Most people are too busy working and trying to raise a family, and could care less about the RV Park controversy. Changing the subject: Cracker Barrel only locates near a freeway, you never see one in a small rural town. Lowes? We now have the new Stines (which is a tremendous improvement over what we had previously.)... Red Lobster? The one in Vicksburg flopped, and it was near I-20... We have too many good local seafood restaurants that Red Lobster could not compete with! Chilli's would be a nice addition to our dining landscape....

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 9:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

sterlinged, there's plenty more folks around with average or above reasoning skills. They just tend to stay away from this site cuz they get tired of the never changing, never ceasing droning litany of the "anti" people on here. The posters here scream and scream for jobs and when a business person makes a proposal that would bring 50 or more jobs to the community they scream they wanted a waterpark instead. Most all of the attitudes expressed in the comments above have been posted many many times concerning many different things. Many of these posters are "anti" absolutely anything that is put forward as a new idea or business.

To put things in perspective, the Natchez Democrat's polling (done here) indicated that the new hotel tax would lose by a wide margin. But it passed despite what was polled here and it passed by a wide margin. So much for the reality of what goes on here.......

And life is good. :)

Posted by guy2co (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why is everyone either for tourism or industry? I think we need to recruit both. Industry and tourism can help our community, and both can work here. We have a historic district, which can stay historic. There is no place to even put a major factory in the historic district, so the two should not clash. We can put industry in the county, where it will not interfere with the tourist. Tourism does help Natchez. Whether it is a fill up at the pump, eating at a resturaunt, or staying at a hotel. I think we are short changing ourselves if we do not take advantage of any opportunities that come our way.

Posted by guy2co (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I read in an earlier post about someone wanting some ideas of things to help make Natchez better. Here's a few ideas that are easy and cheap that would help the tourist have a more enjoyable time here - Take the big grey wall on the bluff and paint a mural and have Natchez painted on it. On Broadway, put up some boards that have cut outs that people can stick their heads in and take pictures. They could have river scenes and bodies like floozies or Tom Sawyer and Huck Finn. We could have the town decorated in Christmas lights and have a Christmas festival with booths and music. As far as industy why don't we try to get contracts with all of these auto companies that keep coming into our area. We could get a tire contract and reopen the tire factory. We could recruit Martha white since we are now the biscuit capital, maybe they would move thier headquarters here if we gave the right tax incentives. I think it's great that they want to put an Rv park here, it will be private money, so what's the big deal. I think that we should really think of posative things that can help Natchez. If each person that lives here would just tell one person about Natchez while they were on vacation, it would drastically help bring more money here. Maybe we should think of it like we are ambassaders of Natchez and make it a point to recriut tourist and business while we are traveling through the country. Industry and tourism can work hand in hand, it just takes a little thinking and planning.

Posted by NtzMom55 (anonymous) on August 23, 2008 at 3:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

A High-End RV resort sounds great. Any development that can and will attract more dollars into our area would be a great positive.