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Vigil to protest Roe v. Wade anniversary
Published Tuesday, January 22, 2008
NATCHEZ — Tuesday marks the 35th anniversary of the landmark Supreme Court decision Roe v. Wade.
For Pro-Life Natchez-Adams County co-chairman Virginia O’Beirne that’s 35 years too long.
So in an effort to raise awareness and rally pro-life supporters O’Beirne and local church leaders will host a candlelight vigil atop the bluff on Tuesday evening.
O’Beirne said the entire community is invited to attend.
“This is a call to action,” she said. “Four thousand abortions per day is just horrifying.”
O’Beirne said in the 35 years since Roe v. Wade became law over 50 million abortions have been performed in the United States.
Many people are simply unaware of the amount of abortions that take place on a daily basis O’Beirne said.
O’Beirne said statistics indicate there is one abortion every 24 seconds.
“It’s simply staggering,” she said. “We really hope we can raise people’s awareness.”
For many an ideal world would be one without the option of abortion.
But for now O’Beirne is focusing on bringing others to action.
“We need to write our legislators,” she said. “We have to tell them that this is not alright with us.”
And O’Beirne is not alone on her mission.
O’Beirne and her friend Ruth Powers started Pro-Life Natchez-Adams County a few years ago when the duo realized there were no similar advocacy groups in the area.
“We really wanted to be able to do something,” she said.
While this year will be just the second such event for the group O’Beirne is confident the evening will be a success.
Starting at 5:15 p.m. there will be a prayer service, a performance by a local children’s choir and speeches from local ministers.
Pastor of the Cliff Temple Baptist Church Russell Wagoner said the event is a valuable opportunity for people to be able to put a voice to their beliefs.
“It allows me to speak-up for those who cannot speak for themselves,” he said.
Wagoner said he does not anticipate any Pro-Choice opposition at the rally.
“If there is we’ll just go with the flow,” he said.
O’Beirne said all attendees should dress warmly and come prepared for adverse weather.
“We’ll be there rain or starlight,” she said.
The vigil will be at the gazebo on the bluff.
Comments
Posted by sportsgirl81 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree wholeheartedly with having a Pro Life vigil. It's horrible to think of the many children that are killed each day that could have done so much good in this world. As Bro. Russell Wagoner said Sunday in his sermon on the Sanctity of Life whose to know that there wouldn't be another Billy Graham, or a scientist with the cure for cancer and so many other afflictions that plague our society today. A baby is such a precious gift that God gives us and they are such blessings to me! We should look at life as a blessing from God but so many don't and want to waste it. My prayers are that we can make this 4,000 each day go down and to fight for what we believe in!
Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 7:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And before anyone starts the predictable diatribe about not caring for children after they are born, let me tell you that we have also provided concrete help in the way of baby clothes and supplies to mothers who are struggling, and will make referrals to organizations that can help with medical bills and other expenses. We don't do clinic protests--we are more focused on education in the broader sense, and on raising public awareness of the scope of various pro-life issues.
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 8 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If preventative measures would be taken and people would be responsible, the man and the woman, abortion would not have to be an option, amongst adoption and so forth. Long gone are the days where women and men had hardly any options to prevent a possible unplanned pregnancy. It's not just the single woman or man either. A lot of married couples who may already have children and can't afford another one, also need to look into viable birth control options. Once you're pregnant, its too late then, the baby is in the womb and abortion should not be an option at this point. Some birth control is linked to certain diseases and some cause weight gain, but PREVENTION is the answer.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Where do you think your food comes from? Your comment has nothing to do with the Pro-Life movement!
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GopherBaroque I think that was meant as saracism. Let me ask you this, if your mother had opted for abortion where would you be today? Don't all children deserve a chance?
Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We were so horrified when the towers fell and the early number of deaths was 4000. Yet we turn a deaf ear to the fact that 4000 babies are killed EVERY DAY. And while we are on the subject, they are babies. In my book, they are alive from the moment of conception. I am a mother twice and each child had their own personality long before they were born. But even in the book of abortionists, if something did not interrupt the development, it would become, without any added measures, a baby. If I developed an elaborate meshing of tubes with elements inside that when mixed became explosive, and they would meet each other in the tubes in nine months, but you discovered it at three months...Would you not charge me with creating an explosive device? It would still be six months from exploding. I could use Rowe vs Wade to justify me. Same difference in that it is just a bunch of elements/tissues for six more months.
A kind of weird dramatization, but you get the point.
Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry about the spelling of Roe's name...sign of what I think of them????
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
National Right To Life News/ Fred Thompson is the ONLY candidate endorsed by the National Right To Life PAC!
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And lets not forget Obama voted FOR partial birth abortion.
Posted by destiny (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
(free) that alone should throw him out of the race. To be an advocate for partial birth abortion is down right murder as for as I'm concerned.
Posted by Username (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 11:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dr.Ron Paul (presidential candidate) has delivered more than 4,000 babies as an ob-gyn.listen to what Ron Paul says not what the people that fear him have to say about him.
www.ronpaul2008.com
Posted by roberth33 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am not sure why it is anyone else's business what medical procedure a woman has in her physician's office.
People need to stick to what concerns them personally and stop worry about others' business.
And before you flame me, I am against abortion, but as a man I do not see that is it my business as i would never have to make that decision.
Posted by djarum_black (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'd have a lot more respect for the anti-abortion movement if its supporters would realistically assess the situation and understand why so many women get into the position of requiring an abortion. What I mean by this is that people are in need of more open and honest sex education, as well as better access to birth control. I almost never hear any references to preventing pregnancy other than the totally unrealistic expectation that all people should share the same views and religious convictions that would discourage them from having sex out of marriage, and that while married, financially unprepared couples are automatically going to find some miraculous source of support for raising a child. Converting people isn't working either, as I see plenty of young, unmarried mothers coming out of very nice and well-intentioned churches. Why is this? Because young people are going to do what it takes to get into this position, and they make mistakes. It happens. Let's quit pretending that it doesn't.
Look around you at all the very young mothers who are trying to raise children themselves. Sure, some of them may have a support system or may be doing "alright", but how many of these young ladies are actually going to have an opportunity to do anything for themselves (education, life experience, etc) that could benefit the children they have? Not that many, between working and trying to do the best they can to be an adequate mother.
So we don't care about these young ladies or how they got into this position? If you're so concerned about the children, why are we treating the most important influence on their development (their mothers) like some empty husk that exists only to make sure the child is born? I always hear some statement like "they made their bed and should lie in it", but that child is lying there right with them.. and what about when it's your daughter? Rather than become a young grandparent and second parent to your grandchild, wouldn't it have been easier and healthier for all involved if that young lady had been provided birth control? It doesn't take a genius to understand that a teenager (or even a very young adult) isn't necessarily the best candidate for parenthood, so why don't we help them protect themselves from making one mistake that will override anything else they had intended to do with their lives?
Save the religious diatribe for a minute, please. The unwanted pregnancy issue exists and is growing, not decreasing. Why don't we do more to prevent it (other than pounding people with abstinence-only information, which clearly isn't accomplishing very much on a grand scale)?
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 12:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why isn't prevention an option?
Posted by whatever (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 12:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why don't you people learn to mind your own business?? This is ridiculous that a grown woman can't make choices concerning her own body. Who are you all to judge her? You don't know where a woman that is getting an abortion is coming from, so you all need to back off and go be judgemental somewhere else.
Pro-life, pro-choice, whatever!! Who cares what you all think?
Before you narrow-minded prejudice jerks start calling me out, I am a single mom with 3 children. I had the option to get an abortion, but I chose against it because it's not right for me. Who are we to judge WHY or HOW a woman gets pregnant?!? The fact is, it's happening.
You all gripe and complain about how society is going to H**L, and it's because these young girls out here have unprotected sex, get pregnant, end up with a bunch of kids they can't take care of, and GUESS WHO HAS TO SUPPORT THEM ALL?!?!!!! You and me. Me, that can't even get food stamps or medicaid for my children. Guess what you idiots....these women have all of that and then some. And WE have to pay for it.
Let me just tell you a story about one such woman...she has 5 kids, and she's 35. She lives right here in Natchez. She's on welfare, food stamps, medicaid, and one of her kids is on disability. She told me she's getting her other daughter put on disability because the child has ASTHMA and is taking SPEECH THERAPY. As anyone can see, she's abusing the system. Has anything been done about it? NO!!!! Can she get pregnant again? You're d*mn straight she can, and she will too because she sleeps with whom ever, when ever, where ever.
So please, all you self-righteous, hippocritcal people of Natchez, Vidalia, Ferriday, WHERE EVER....do what you want to do in your personal life, but back off and let others make the choices they need to make to better care for themselves.
Comment away because to be perfectly honest, I really don't give a d*mn what you narrow-minded idiots think.
P. S. My spelling sucks, not because I'm uneducated, but because I'm plain old-fashioned PISSED OFF!!!
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
LOL@whatever.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am totally pro-life. But both my daughters were put on birth control as teens and both my sons know about condoms. They also know that they can get FREE BIRTH CONTROL PILLS AND CONDOMS AT THE ADAMS CO. HEALTH DEPT. So there is never any excuse for an unplanned preg. You are right it is very unrealistic to expect teens to totally abstain from sex when they see it everywhere. Again it starts with parents being parents and talking to their kids.
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks freedom42, it's called PREVENTION.
Posted by momof4 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I started not to comment, but....
First of all I was a teenage mom and tried the whole marriage bit at first because it was "the right thing to do". NOT! I went to college even after I divorced. I didn't work while I was in college, and I got EVERYTHING the system would allow. Call it abusing if you want to, but after I was finished with my college education I went to work at a job that did not pay enough and tried to still get assistance, guess what... didn't happen. I had to move in with my mom and dad. No big deal. Helped them pay the extra bills me and my daughter accumulated, and we went on with our lives. I was a mom, I worked, and I dated when I had time. I met a wonderful man we got married and now have 3 more children. I am a stay home mom, he works offshore making very good money. Guess what, STILL not enough. But, you know something. I could go to work and drop my kids off at day care and sitters and hope that the people watching them will teach them morals and such, but you know something, I don't trust other people to raise MY children. Look around you, guns in school, SEX IN SCHOOL (don't look so shocked, yes it happens.. DUH), smoking in school, drinking in school, kids getting locked in closets in daycare, being beaten in daycare, should I go on? I think you get the picture IF you have common sense and watch the news. The problem is plain and simple. As parents we do not teach our children responsibility for their own actions. It starts there. And when our children screw up, we condemn them instead of supporting them and helping them grow. We push them out on their own for fear that people will talk bad about us. Instead helping them get the education they need. I am talking as a mom of a teenager and a mom of a toddler and as a once single teenage mom. Abortion is MURDER!!!!!! No matter how you look at it. We no longer get government assistance, though yeah.. I would love it as much as any of you. Who doesn't WANT or even need more money? I understand your frustration at the fact this woman can still have more children and is possibly using those kids to get what SHE wants.... I truly do. She will get hers in the end. Why punish the children... born or unborn because their mom is what she is.. Get mad if you want. Fact is if anybody should've or wanted to have an abortion it was probably me. I will not display my personal business for all to see, lets just say I'm surprised my husband even wanted to marry me. We've been married 10 years and planning on as many more as God will allow.
Posted by momof4 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Don't tell me a single mom can't get an education. Don't tell me that just because someone mooches off the system the kid they are carrying should be killed. And don't dare tell me that abortion is the right thing to do. Would you stand by and watch a mom blow her kid's brain out because she couldn't get a good job and now she has to mooch off the government??? That's what you're saying! So yeah, I'll interfere... just like I would if I saw a mom hurting her child or anyone for that matter hurting a child in ANY way! So get over it!
Just cause you are ticked at the system (which the system totally sucks btw) doesn't give YOU the right to be an advocate for killing unborn BABIES!
IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO RAISE A CHILD!!!!
Proud mom of FOUR!!
Posted by djarum_black (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dear whatever,
quite frankly, I'm with you. If you are against abortion, it is completely your choice to not have one. You can even run around and tell people it's wrong if you so choose to do so, because it's your choice and your right to freedom of speech.
However, we don't all share the same faith, we don't all share the same background, we don't all have the same resources or opinions or anything else. As such, I greatly prefer to see the option to have an abortion remain a legal, viable option.. as opposed to seeing women go back to back-alley bathtub procedures that often result in death. As for me, I'm pro-CHOICE. I am in support of a woman's right to CHOOSE, whether she has or doesn't have an abortion. It's her choice. Her decision is based on a lot of factors and no choice is easy to make in that position, because no matter how much blustering anyone wants to do on either side of this debate, the WOMAN (and only the woman) is ultimately responsible for herself and any children she may or may not decide to have. Men can get up and walk away at any time, and unfortunately, a lot of them do just that. At the end of the day, it's the woman who has to decide whether she is mentally, emotionally, physically, and financially able to have a child. Believe it or not, some women do not WANT the child, and forcing that woman to have it is only going to result in mental and emotional duress of the woman.. which is, obviously, not a good situation for a newborn.
Posted by noneya (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
a BIG LOL@whatever!!! Whatever,djarum and robert: you all said a mouthful. Each person is accountable for their own actions in this world. Let them decide for themselves what is right and what is wrong according to their own beliefs.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think it is as much a matter of beliefs or faith as just doing what is right. We were all up in the air over Glenn Mizell accidently shooting his wife. What is the difference here? The difference is these women are not accidently killing children - it is intentional murder. As I said earlier, my kids learned about birth control, and they learned about taking responsibility for their actions as well. Having an abortion is the option of those who refuse to take responsibility.
Posted by mike8427 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well I am about to open a big can of worms here but I want to hear what others have to say. I have a big issue with these modern "Christians" that claim to be against abortion. They say that killing the innocent is wrong. I have noticed that many, if not all of the politicians that are publicly saying they are against abortion are the same ones that are for this war in Iraq. This war has claimed tens of thousands of innocent civilians, not counting the soldiers that died in combat. It is an unfortunate thing that happens in war. So why do Christians support these politicians that wage war which kills thousands, but then turn around and say abortion is wrong? Also what about torture of prisoners, this administartion has made it clear that the Geneva convention does not apply to enemy combatants, so why aren't Christians condeming this administration for torturing people. Someone explain this to me, b/c I can't understand it.
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I get your life is a life argument mike8427, what then about the murderer on death row? Since there is so much concern around abortion, isn't a life a life, no matter what stage it is in?
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting question. I think in my case it is because "who" I precieve is being killed. Few of us would take exception to blowing away an intruder into our homes, and most of us accept war death as inevitable. I don't agree with the war in Iraq, I don't want any more of our troops to die for another country. My son was there, and he said it was necessary for us to go. But the death of an unborn child is preventable. And maybe some people protest abortion because they see no way to stop war - it will always be with us.
Posted by noneya (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freedom: what I was referring to was the fact that each individual will have to face their maker in the end and take the responsibility of their actions throughout their life then. Accountability.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Very true noneya, but some people don't believe that anything they do now, will count later, or that there is even a later to account for.
Posted by mike8427 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Another case in point - Teach
Freedom - I really was focusing more on the civilian deaths than combat deaths. As soldiers we put ourselves in harms way and we know death is a risk always out there.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Think of the civilian deaths in Vietnam, Korea, WWII, WWI, Civil War, Revolutionary War, and on and on back into history. No death is right, but some seem to be inevitable. When people are determined they are right and everybody else is wrong, innocent people are killed. My point is, stop as much innocent killing as possible.
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We are always stuck in reaction mode. If we practiced PREVENTION, then we wouldn't have to force ourselves to make certain decisions. I could understand if there was just NOTHING anyone could do to prevent unwanted pregnancies, but the truth of the matter is, some people are too lazy to practice prevention. It is so much easier to just go with the "flow." If you know your daughter is "hot" and "fast', put her on something, since warning her about the emotional and physical damage that can come from unprotected sex, then go take her somewhere to get taken care of. If your son is looking to sow wild oats, and NONE of your warnings he will heed, addressing the use of condoms is in order. Also, he should know whether the girl/woman he is dealing with, is protecting herself, otherwise, what do you expect to happen, when you don't practice prevention???
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
They need to know also, about STD's and the fact that the pill and condoms don't always protect against them.
Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Mike, there are many of us who do subscribe to the "seamless garment" argument. For us "pro-life" includes working for the protection all the vulnerable of society: the elderly, the disabled, and the ill, as well as the unborn. It includes opposition to war unless that war is meant to protect the lives of the innocent (e.g. WWII and the Holocaust, as well as what was going on in China). It also includes working for improved education, health care, and nutrition for children. It is true that the death penalty is a sticky question--although I am opposed to it in principle, especially as it is currently applied, there are times when the crime is especially heinous when I think I would offer to pull the switch myself. Social questions are invariably complex, and a coherent worldview isn't always easy, although I certainly strive for it.
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I will have to say freedom42, NOTHING is 100% in anything, but at least there is an effort made in prevention. I can't believe any effort is being made, when people come up with all manners of STDs and pregnancies. I just can't believe that. I can speak for myself, I "took care" of myself until I got married. I was the fortunate one. Now I have 2 beautiful children, because I knew as a single woman, I didn't want children, absent a decent father and abortion was just not an option for me. Now again, prevention worked for me.
Posted by mike8427 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Freedom - I think you make some good points, but this war was very avoidable. I am sure you remember the pres rallying support from congress, in fact it was voted upon by congress (the authorization to use force in Iraq). Civilian death is a tragedy of war, but this war was avoidable all together. That is what I meant in my first blog, how can a person who promotes a war be supported by "Christians"? We always say that the Islamic nuts are wrong b/c of their constant holy war and terrorism (which they are nuts), but what makes Christian different when we choose to go to war?
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As it did for me Teach. And now I am expecting 2 grandkids, with married parents.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mike, I just can't answer you. I know that God often sent His people into battle, and that is the excuse many Christians use. As for me, it's one of those questions I have for Him when I get there.
Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Amen on prevention. Although abstinence is the only 100% effective way, there are many other means of prevention, and believe me, young people know about them. I teach in public schools. One day not too long ago I overheard a complete description of what a condom, what it is for, and how it is used--and this was a discussion among a group of 9 year olds.
Posted by whatever (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
momof4
This is just for you.
I am also a single mom of 3 kids. I am an educated woman, and there has NEVER been a time that I did not have a job. For the most part, I have kept 2-3 jobs at one time. There has been times where I would not see my kids for weeks at a time because I'm trying to provide for them. I have also had to live with my parents. And yes, my kids have had to spend time in a day care.
I knew there would be someone that would attack ME and MY actions, and try to make out like I'm an evil person because of the way I see this. Maybe you didn't understand what I said earlier, so I will repeat myself....
I do not agree with abortions for myself. I would never get one. However, neither you nor I know what a woman is going through, so why be judgemental? I would rather a woman get an abortion because she knows she can't care for the child, versus the child be abused by the woman or her boyfriend, or become a victim of the system because the mom didn't want him/her. I still firmly believe it is the woman's choice, and it always should be. Murder or whatever you want to call it, it's still the woman's choice, and NO ONE on this planet should EVER take that choice away.
So tell me, momof4, which is the lesser of 2 evils?
A woman that knows she isn't ready for a child, that chooses to have an abortion......OR......A woman having a child that she knows she can not raise, doesn't care about at all, the child ends up abused and neglected, and possibly being murdered.
Save your sob story for all the supposed "Christians" and the bleeding hearts, sweetie, because we all have made mistakes at one time or another, and we all have to deal with the concequences in our own way.
djarum_black.....I see you feel me on what I'm saying. Glad to see there's at least one non-stupid person in this area.
freedon42....Murder is murder is murder is murder. If that's the case, how many times have all of us had to kill something, accidently or purposefully....? Birth control is available, and is legal. But wait a minute.....isn't birth control a form of murder also?
You have the Intrauterine device, which prevents implantation of the zygote to the uterine wall. BTW...A zygote is a fertillized egg....so you've killed a baby there....
Hormonal birth control alters levels of progesterone, so that the ovary doesn't produce eggs....hmm...eggs make babies....that's killing the baby there....
Condoms, male and female variety, prevents the sperm from reaching the egg.....hmm...you've killed sperm there.....which make babies....so you've killed a baby there....
Sounds to me like all of these popular forms of birth control can technically also be called murder.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
As far as the Pro-Choice people are concerned, just think that if your Mother would have had an abortion, YOU would not be here!
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't understand how altering hormonal levels is murder. In your example of the IUD, yes, at that point, you have a fertilized egg and to that I would have to say, that is not prevention, I never used that, it caused internal bleeding to many women who got that thing, and I just couldn't see having a device within me. Now, the patch and birth control pills, PREVENT the fertilization of the egg by the sperm, condoms block the sperm, when used correctly and the condom is good. In each instance, NO embryo, zygote, etc., has occurred, because it has been prevented.
No one is stupid here because we all have a difference of opinion, your life took one route, and someone else's didn't. Why are you so defensive about it? I know a lot of single, successful mothers, but it was MY choice, to not follow the pattern I had seen. I had seen both examples, and for me, I wanted to be married before I had my kids. Now, that does not guarantee the marriage will last, but at least I was married when I had them. I just really saw too many women telling the story you told. Working job upon job and never seeing there children. Your sacrifice to your children is to be admired, because so many parents won't do what you do, to see to it that the world is a little better, for children.
Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 3:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why don't people just pray they don't get pregnant while having intercourse?
Lots of people on here seem to think that prayer takes care of everything.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Join us at the gazebo on the bluffs at 05:15 P.M.!
Posted by mike8427 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I like that one notfromNtz, too funny
Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 4:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What is really funny is that a lot of people ACTUALLY do pray.
"Please God don't let me be pregnant!!!"
LOL.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And a lot of people pray "Please God let me be pregnant". Been there, done that.
Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 4:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
yeah...but that's not funny.
Posted by whatever (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Teach4peace
Condoms are the only barrier method of birth control. Oral or topical hormonal drugs prevent ovulation, not conception or implantation. Read up on it...maybe you'll learn a thing or two.
If you say that ovum and sperm are what causes conception, then YES it is murder to use any form of birth control. To prevent the ovum and sperm from reaching each other is murder of a fetus, because if they would have joined, then a fetus would have been the result.
You have your opinion, and I have mine. I do not put you down for being pro-life...I put you and others down because just like you have the choice to carry a fetus to term, the next person should also have the SAME choice to terminate it.
I'm also talking about the judgemental mentality. That is what I consider stupidity. Why do you call a woman a murderer because she chooses to have an abortion, yet you have the right choose to do what you want with your own body?
I'll bet if you had to walk a mile in someone else's shoes, you would really understand how they feel. I'm not talking about sympathy....I'm talking about EMPATHY.
Learn it, and use it, and this world will be a much better place.
I found this website that might be of interest to all who have something to say about this topic. It reinforces what I have been saying all afternoon, but it also shows the pro-life side too.
<http://afterabortion.info/sermon1.html>
Let me say this one last thing to all, and I'm leaving it alone. I am Pro-Choice. I believe that a woman has the right to do as she pleases with her body. This is my believe and my choice. I'm not asking anyone to share that with me. I'm saying that I'm sick of people going out of their way to insult and antagonize others because of their choices.
I will NOT show up at the bluff because I can't stand judgemental, hypocritical people calling women names because they did what they had to do. Life is all about choices, some positive, some negative, but it's the aftermath of those decisions that we have to face. Make your choice, and stand by it.
Posted by momof4 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is no lesser of the 2 evils. They are both equally wrong!
I suggest going and asking people who have been abused what they would prefer.
I'm sorry you don't get to see your kids very often and sacrifice so much. I didn't say that you didn't that I remember. If I implied it, I'm sorry.
If I implied that my little story was a sob story, sorry for that too. Love my life and my kids. Wouldn't change a thing. I should've listened to my parents and abstained, but I'm glad I didn't. In other words I made a mistake, but wouldn't change it and did learn from it, so I can pass my lesson on to my children.
One of the points I was trying to make, is when you have kids you can never have too much money. You're always going to need it. That's life.
Sacrifice comes in many forms. I'm not going to get in a battle of well I had to do without this or that and had to do something I didn't like so this person could have that. Sacrifice is part of life. Those who do not sacrifice for their children cannot call themselves a parent.
And there we have it... if you aren't ready to sacrifice you are not ready to be a parent. However instead of killing the child, allow the child a chance and let them be adopted so that the thousands of people who are ready can have that chance.
Posted by Username (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 5:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In the words of the late and great Bill Hicks-"If you're so pro-life, do me a favour: don't lock arms and block medical clinics. If you're so pro-life, lock arms and block cemeteries."
Bill Hicks 1961-1994 R.I.P.
Posted by roberth33 (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 5:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I still say it is no one else's business.
MYOB. If God finds abortion to be murder, then the sinner will have to answer to god. Not to any Anti-Choice protester.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 6:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You can lead a horse to water , but you dan't make it drink!
Posted by Idefinitelymight (Tom Scarborough) on January 22, 2008 at 6:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wouldn't it be great if Roe v. Wade were overturned and women seeking abortions were forced to revert to going to Mexico for the procedure, only to be butchered by hack doctors in septic conditions?
Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 6:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh well...i guess that's because all doctors in Mexico are hacks.
Nice...real nice.
Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on January 22, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a question for you whatever. Since you support abortion do you also support partial birth abortion?
I do not agree with abortion nor do I look down on women who have had an abortion. I can't change what they did so I'd be wasting my time. I have to answer to God for my sins not theirs so I don't really care what they do. But the way I see it is there are SO many women out there who cannot have children but want them very badly. If you just plain out do not want the child b/c you are too selfish to have one then why not give it up for adoption so it can have a good life?
Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on January 22, 2008 at 7:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry whatever I reread my comment... I was not implying that the you in the second part of the comment was actually you... just you in general as any person who chooses to have an abortion. Just wanted to clarify that!
Posted by noneya (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know, what idefinitetlymight said was something else to say about Pro-Choice....if reputable, reliable doctors are not available to those that choose to have an abortion (for whatever her reason may be) wouldn't that realistically mean that these women/girls would have to revert to the old ways of backroom-clothes hanger methods? Do Pro-Life activist really think that morality can be forced on people? Don't get me wrong, I would personally never have an abortion, but that is MY decision. I am the one that would have to answer for that decision. Abortions will continue regardless, just as smoking and drugging continues. JMO
Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
whatever, since you decided to overlook my compliment to you and taking care of your kids, forget that part. I will say this again, then I am finished, how is something murder, when there is no LIFE created. Yes, sperm are alive, and an egg is alive, but it is NOT until they join successfully, that you have a being, a soul, not until then. I studied birth control, all of what you have stated is mere opinion, it just depends upon who you ask. Even doctors' positions vary on this very topic. But again, honey, enjoy your life, because you are a very angry and volatile person.
Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If your brother raped your 12 year old daughter, and she got pregnant, would you want her to go through that pregnancy and give birth to that child?
Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We aborted not only unborn babied, but whole villages in Iraq based on lies http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_o...
Posted by Username (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WASHINGTON, DC – On Tuesday, January 22 – the 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade Supreme Court decision – Norma McCorvey has endorsed Texas Congressman Ron Paul for president.
Norma McCorvey runs Crossing over Ministry – formerly Roe No More Ministry – and is best known as “Jane Roe” in the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision. McCorvey, who is now a pro-life activist, issued the following endorsement of Congressman Paul:
“Ron Paul states, ‘The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty.’
“I support Ron Paul for president because we share the same goal, that of overturning Roe v Wade. Ron Paul doesn’t just talk about being pro-life, he acts on it. His voting record truly is impeccable and he undoubtedly understands our constitutional republic and the inalienable right to life for all. Ron Paul is the prime author of H.R. 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v. Wade. As the signor of the affidavit that legalized abortion 35 years ago I appreciate Ron Paul’s action to restore protection for the unborn. Ron Paul has also authored H.R. 1094 in Congress, which seeks to define life as beginning at conception. He has never wavered on the issue of being pro-life and has a voting record to prove it. He understands the importance of civil liberties for all, including the unborn.
“After taking all of the presidential candidates into consideration, it is obvious that Ron Paul is the only one that doesn’t just talk the talk. For this reason and those stated above, I am publicly endorsing Ron Paul for president.”
www.ronpaul2008.com
Posted by Username (anonymous) on January 22, 2008 at 11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It is not up to Washington D.C. to tell us what we can and cannot do to our own bodies.
Posted by Savage (anonymous) on January 23, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I might belive in Mrs. O'Bierne more if she spent more money on raising unwanted children and less on money on her hats...
Has Mrs. O'Bierne EVER adopted any unwanted children? No! Have any of her Cathedral friends adoped any unwanted children? NONE that I know of. And who would have raised these 50 millions unwanted babies? Any of YOU, who are against Roe v. Wade? What hypocrites you are!
And have any of you looked at the statistics, that show that whether abortion is legal or not (in any nation), the same number of abortions occur? The legality of abortion is NOT the issue; rather, the issue is whether women who have abortions are going to have them legally or illegally, and therefore endanger their their own lives and health.
Overturning Roe v. Wade will not stop abortion; it will only make it illegal - like smoking pot, which is one of the South's, and America's, great pastimes. And who of you, or your spouses or children, have never smoked pot?
Posted by Savage (anonymous) on January 23, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mrs. O'Briene is also a follower of a religion which not only is against abortion but is also against the use of condoms, the pill and other forms of and birth-control. What idiocy! How does she expect women NOT to get pregnant without these preventative measures? By saying the rosary?
Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 23, 2008 at 3:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Umm, Savage, just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. My daughter's birthmother was 16. There are at least 8 other families that I know of at Cathedral personally who have adopted children in the recent past, generally after long waits and much expense.
Another thing, overturning Roe v. Wade will NOT automatically make abortion illegal. It was legal prior to Roe in many states such as New York, Illinois, and California. All a reverse of Roe would do is allow the people of each state to decide whether or not they wanted abortion to happen within that state's borders.
Posted by whatever (anonymous) on January 23, 2008 at 7:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, I thought I was through, but I'm not.
Firered,
Very rarely does a woman have an abortion for a "selfish" reason. Most of the time, she has to make a terrible choice, a choice I have NEVER been able to bring myself to make. Adoption, you say? Ok, so there are women that can't have children, that want a baby. But, if you say there are 4000 abortions a year, do you honestly think there will be 4000 women a year step forward, and choose to adopt? So, what happens to all the babies that these women want? They are left in the legal system until they are 18, most of the time developing personality or mental disorders. It's sad. ALL OF IT IS!! Abortion is a terrible choice to make, but so is having to carry a baby to term, only to turn them over to someone else.
Teach4peace
I don't agree with partial-birth abortions. Period.
I did see your compliment, and I thank you for that. I'm just amazed that you think you know me well enough to say that I am an "angry and volatile person". You don't know me at all, and you know even less of my personality.
You see, you showed the world exactly what I'm talking about....you're being judgemental on someone you don't even know. Does anyone here have the slightest clue as to why I'm pro-choice? Does anyone care? I didn't think so. You just see me as someone that thinks differently than you, that I don't "follow the heard", and I'm someone to attack because of this. You all need a lesson in acceptance, and I really feel sorry for you if you don't learn it.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 23, 2008 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Savage - I can say without a shadow of a doubt that NOBODY in my family - parents, brothers, spouse, kids - have ever smoked pot or used any kind of drugs other that what was prescribed and we used those correctly. Don't have to prove it to you because you are nobody to me. Again a perfect example of someone being "judgemental" without having a clue.
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