Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Did these folks have a permit to disfigure the lawn on public land at the bluff?
I'm not pro-choice, but I am against rightist loons, not that these folks are, as much as I am against leftist ones. Is the playing field even?

What if a pro-choice group chose to make a similar demonstration? Has anyone thought out the ramifications?

Posted by speakup (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hush sam.

Posted by bombingeight (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't hush, Sam. I am pro-choice in principle, and I agree with you for exactly the reason you stated.

Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They are not disfiguring the lawn, but rather aerating it.

Sam, the playing field is not even or anywhere close. It will get even more uneven when the new president goes in. He has said he will sign the Freedom of Choice law and that will effectively take all state restrictions off abortion. That will mean that your twelve year old can go get an abortion and not have to tell you about it. Do you really think the ones making the money from killing the infants will tell her that she may never be able to have any more babies. Will they call it a lump of tissue or tell her that at ten days after conception, the infant has perfectly formed tiny hands and feet and a beating heart? Will they tell her that the infant will try to escape from the sunction devise they use, but it has nowhere to go?

It boggles the mind trying to imagine what a pro choice group could use for a similar demonstration. Perhaps a reclining woman with her knees together and a sign proclaiming "Make the Choice when it only impacts your body and not the body of a Baby!"

Can you picture how much greater our economy would be, if all the aborted babies were still out there needing food, clothes, cars, jobs, and paying in their share of taxes? Millions have died already. The muslims think we will implode because we are such a sinful nation. Do they have a point?

Posted by BenWyles (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 5:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It really makes my blood boil when I hear the vehement and overwhelmingly angry opposition to anyone trying to protect the unborn. If you're pro-abortion then, by all means, express your opinion. It's what makes this country great. But I'm forever amazed by the double standard held by the loudest majority of liberals in this nation.

Free expression seems to rule the day as long as your thoughts and opintions seem to coincide with those of the powers that be. We MUST allow groups to march that spew bilge about anything anti-Christian. We MUST allow the downtrodden refusing-to-work crowd to scream about all the opportunities denied to them in this evil, capitalistic society. But when the pro-life people decide to speak up and question the intelligence of sanctioning the extermination of the least protected segment of our population, those most unable to speak for and defend themselves, you'd think they were advocating the violent overthrow of everything good and decent. We've destroyed an entire generation of our own citizens, sacrificing them on the altar of convenience and privacy, and we are now beginning to reap the consequences.

I don't for a minute advocate the bombing of abortion mills. God will take His vengence in His own time and manner. He has never spoken to me with instructions to kill and maim those killing the innocent. But I have every right to speak my mind in a civilized way.

Didn't we just topple and execute a despotic dictator guilty of killing thousands, and possibly millions, of his own citizens guilty of nothing more than holding a different view of life than he? Does "the pot calling the kettle black" mean anything to anyone out there?

I very rarely speak in this forum. But when I see supposedly intellingent and right-thinking people in this country stand up for the right to exterminate their own children in the name of privacy, I can not remain silent. I am convicted that this nation will one day view 1973 as a grave turning point in our history; the year that we sealed our own demise by legalizing the destruction of our own. And if a few brave souls muster the courage and fortitude to rise with a silent and poignant expression of outrage over the whole evil situation, spawned in the very pit of Hell, they have my complete and heart-felt support.

Posted by crawgator (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was trying to find the words and then along came Ben. Thanks, thats what I was looking for.

Posted by traceb (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AMEN ! Ben AMEN!

Posted by BenWyles (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Iconoclast, please do a search for the Fourteenth Amendment to the US Constitution and explain to me exactly what clause grants the right to kill a living human being guilty of no crime. Then we'll talk.

The 14th amendment overturned the Dred Scott decision, which stated that slaves and their decendants had no rights as citizens of this nation, as well it should. It also guaranteed the right to Due Process under the law, another pretty good idea.

The Court took it upon itself to then re-write law instead of interpreting it, by stating that it also granted the right of privacy. From this it was determined that the decision to kill and remove a baby rested solely with the baby's mother. This then became her protected right.

The logic escapes me. You have the absolute right to stand on the street and swing your arms about for as long as you see fit, though I don't know exactly why you would engage in such activity.

But that right STOPS at the end of my nose. A woman has the right, however stupid, to do certain things with and to her own body. But that right STOPS when it impacts another, namely an unborn baby.

But let's go a little farther. No one, regardless of sex or gestational status, has the protected right to inject heroin or smoke crack. That's illegal. So please explain the logic of granting the right to destroy another.

It's not alive yet? The definition of life states that something is living if it is growing and changing. Sounds like a baby to me. It's not exactly human yet? Well when your wife gives birth to a chicken or a rhinocerous, then we'll talk.

Face it. This country has legalized the slaughter of innocents.

Posted by homegrown (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Pro-life keep it up. everyone should be able to have a chace at life. there is a place for baby killers, and i don't thank the babys will call them mom in heaven.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes, Sam. We have a permit.

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mr. Wyles:
First, you are indeed, as a MAN, entitled to your right to express YOUR opinion. The Bill of Rights grants you that right. However, the issue of abortion has more than one perspective than yours and other PRO-Lifers--a WOMAN's perspective that is much more complex and emotionally devastating that the black and white viewpoint you promote.

Second, YOUR definition of "life" as "something is living if it is growing and changing" is not the same thing as a LIVING HUMAN BEING. Plants grow and change; amoebas grow and change; bacteria and viruses grow and change; a sperm and an egg grow and change, but does that make it a living human being? That is THE question of the day that no one on either side of the abortion issue will ever be able to answer or agree on.

Finally, since the dawn of Adam and Eve, it is WOMEN who have been given the burden and responsibility of BIRTH CONTROL. I'm sure it was a MAN who ordered it so. It is WOMEN who get left with an unwanted pregnancy and a MAN who denies responsibility. Well, when YOU MEN start wearing condums or taking a pill everyday of your adult life or getting vasectomies after having the 2.5 children you can hardly afford, THEN WE'LL TALK.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I asked my doc about taking male birth control years ago. he said with a face like mine, why bother?

Sam, you are either for life or against it. Do not try to ride the fence here. I am sick of being told not to offend when they offend...

iconoclast( VERY MUCH AN OXYMORONIC TERM IN YOUR CASE) I would expect such stupidity to spew from your lips...no surprise here at all...

Gays can walk the street and shout stupidity and we are supposed suck it up...We are told to that we have to make exceptions for every minority group...like wiccans...and we are supposed to let it go...but MY rights are bombarded every day and I am not supposed to do anything...NO WONDER THIS COUNTRY IS HEADED TO HADES IN A HAND BASKET!!

redhead, well, lets be pro-choice....let THE BABY CHOOSE whether it lives or dies.....Let the baby choose whether or not it is VIOLENTLY SUCKED FROM ITS MOTHER WOMB..I guess it is fortunate for you that your mama was not pro-choice..

Thomas Jefferson said that he was afraid that if unchecked, The Supreme Court would try to begin writing and making laws instea of interpreting them. HE WAS COMPLETELY CORRECT IN HIS FEAR.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok,
Then let me remove that mass of tissue cells from you ...lets try the heart, it is just muscle and tissue....and see if you like the results .....ignorance is bliss and rampant in your life...

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Since the passage of Roe v. Wade, the crime rate in this country has plummeted, which became noticable right about the time any babies that would have been born would have reached puberty.

The same folks who moan and scream about babies being killed are the ones who think petty criminals out to be taken out back and shot.

It's unwed mothers and their children who are responsible for much of society's ills today. Let's do us all a favor and "nip it in the bud," soda speak.

Posted by BenWyles (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've never believed that the responsibility lies solely with women. In fact, one way to reduce the number of abortions is to insure that irresponsible sperm donors are held to it. But let's talk for a moment about the choices that a woman has regarding pregnancy.
A woman chooses to have sex. (No I don't ignore the horror of rape and incest. But if we guaranteed the death penalty for rapists we might see some relief there.)
A woman chosses birth control. Granted, this responsibility lies with both parties but if you choose to risk unwanted pregnancy then you can't assign blame to the other party.
What about the adoption choice? If you can't bear the thought of raising a child then at least provide him or her the opportunity for a life.
There are too many junctures along the way which allow for choice. So don't even try to tell me that the KILLING of a living baby is your only option.
This comes back to personal responsibility on so many levels. We've changed the beauty of the God-given gift of physical relations between husband and wife into perversion of pure pleasure.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You gonna adopt all those babies, Ben? How many are you willing to raise?

Posted by annuity (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So Bombingeight, you believe in birthing a baby two thirds the way, plunging a needled in the base of the skull and destroying the brain. Josef Mengele would be proud of you.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

clown,

lets get Mississippi to start teaching complete birth control and sex ed in class when kids are 13...about 8th grade or so...and we would not have as many teen moms..study after study has shown correlation between the 2, except in minority enclaves, and has shown that teaching complete sex ed has many benefits...lets try them. Then abortion would would not as hot a topic..less need for it in the first place.

Posted by sideline (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:23 a.m.

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Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you would force a 12 year old, who had been impregnated while being raped, to go through child birth, which at her age could cause her uterus to burst wide open destroying her chance at ever willingly becoming a mother and could even end her life. Where are your crosses for raped women and girls? Do they ever get a choice? Is there no test that could be done on males at birth to see who would become future rapist so that they could be given a vasectomy with their circumcision or possibly a Loretta Bobbitt special.

Posted by sideline (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you would force a 12 year old, who had been impregnated while being raped, to go through child birth, which at her age could cause her uterus to burst wide open destroying her chance at ever willingly becoming a mother and could even end her life. Where are your crosses for raped women and girls? Do they ever get a choice? Is there no test that could be done on males at birth to see who would become future rapist so that they could be given a vasectomy with their circumcision or possibly a Loretta Bobbitt special.
Point I'm trying to make also.

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I got your point sideline. I've also heard the old tales about newborn babies being shut up in syrup buckets and buried in backyards in Mississippi and in convent walls in New Orleans.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wish I could post a few mug shots of some of those cute little babies on here.

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Perhaps we don't all agree on abortion, but I think we could all find some common ground to agree that education is the key. Teach males to control their urges and use protection if they can't, but to always respect a females' choice of whether or not to have sex. Teach females to control their urges and use protection and birth control if they can't. Abortion should be a decision made between a woman and her doctor.

Posted by jabese5 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ms. Redhead - there are some things you said that I would like to comment on.

Here is one thing you said that I would like to comment on:

"YOUR definition of "life" as "something is living if it is growing and changing" is not the same thing as a LIVING HUMAN BEING. Plants grow and change; amoebas grow and change; bacteria and viruses grow and change; a sperm and an egg grow and change, but does that make it a living human being?"

A fetus may grown and change - but it is a human being from the beginning. It doesn't start out as a bacteria - or an amoeba - or anything else. It starts out as a human being. It's shape & form change, but the root of what it is is NEVER changes. It's always a human being.

And women are not only responsible for birth control, they are responsible for what they do with their own body. They are responsible for THEIR control. If they are not ready to have a child, they shouldn't be doing what causes pregnancy. And yes - I can speak from experience. I have a child that was born out of wedlock. Not something I am proud of. It devastated me when I found out because I am a grown woman who should have known better. Did that mean I should terminate a life because it would be "inconvenient" for me or because I knew people were going to judge me and look down on me? No. I had absolutely no right to do that - nor would I have ever considered it. That child is a beautiful child who brings so much life and joy to everyone around her. My past of being irresponsible doesn't give me the right to end an innocent life. I know there are other situations where a woman might not necessarily want a child - but it's still a human life and not her choice to end it.

Posted by jabese5 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

fraidoclowns - there are PLENTY of people out there wanting a child to raise that would be willing to adopt a child.

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I love babies and think they are very sweet and cute, but there are some people who really shouldn't give birth as they aren't parent material and will only end up harming any child they bring into this world. There should be tests which could determine who should and who shouldn't reproduce.

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It's not easy to adopt in this country.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How about you, Jabese? How many have you adopted?

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Scientist should invent a birth control vaccine which could be given to girls at age 10 that wears off in 10-12 years. People can't control themselves and need help.

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are people who are murdered by many ways - putting them in freezers, burying them alive, someone tying them to the back of a vehicle and dragging them, etc - the list could go on - so should we legalize murder as long as they do it in a way that is painless to the victim?

Posted by bellesouth (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep your laws off of my body!

Posted by gottabehappy (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So for those of us that are Pro Choice we have to look at those crosses on the bluff right? What can WE put up to show we are Pro Choice that those that are Pro Life have to look at? Fair is fair folks!

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

THE QUARTERLY JOURNAL OF ECONOMICS, Vol. CXVI
May 2001
Issue 2

THE IMPACT OF LEGALIZED ABORTION ON CRIME*
JOHN J. DONOHUE, III AND STEVEND. LEVITT

We offer evidence that legalized abortion has contributed signicantly to recent crime reductions. Crime began to fall roughly eighteen years after abortion legalization. The ve states that allowed abortion in 1970 experienced declines earlier than the rest of the nation, which legalized in 1973 with Roe v. Wade.

States with high abortion rates in the 1970s and 1980s experienced greater crime reductions in the 1990s. In high abortion states, only arrests of those born after abortion legalization fall relative to low abortion states. Legalized abortion appears to account for as much as 50 percent of the recent drop in crime...

For the entire paper, see:

http://74.125.45.132/search?q=cache:FX7f...

Of course, it's not nearly as relevant as reading a book written by numerous individuals in order to control a bunch of primitive tribes living in the Middle East 2,000 years ago.

Posted by jabese5 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have not adopted any. I have 3 of my own. But I have always thought adoption was a wonderful thing. Too many can't have children that want children - there are other options besides abortion. Options that don't end an innocent beautiful life.

Posted by MSviaTN (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How about pictures of every baby that has been aborted - that would get your message across.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Gotta be happy, why not put up a bunch coat hangers? Let's bring this argument out of the closet, soda speak.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ElGoodo, the statistics for that article came from the FBI. Don't be an idiot.

Posted by presby (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What about this crowd,reckon they will get on a lawn or 2,maybe on the grass where their not supposed to be or maybe make a hole or 2 with a tent stake?Where are they all going to stay and or use restroom facilities?

Mayor Adrian Fenty (an early supporter of Obama's) says the city is expecting 4 or 5 million people to hit the Mall and line Pennsylvania Avenue to watch the ceremony. That would dwarf the previous record crowd, 1.5 million people, who watched Lyndon Johnson take the oath of office. Eleanor Holmes Norton, the District's non-voting delegate to Congress, says people might have to walk miles just to get through security checkpoints. Four years ago, when President Bush was sworn in for his second term, only about 300,000 people came to the ceremony, and many of them still had to wait hours to clear security. This time, the entire Mall will be open, which will probably mean longer lines.

Posted by presby (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They way things are going around here it might not hurt to picket on the court house lawn every now and then,and ask a few questions about paving streets and missing monies and such. Oh well what,s a million or so missing.
Sometimes i wonder what all the other books look like around there besides Binky,s? If he hadn,t gave away half his money,he probably wouldn,t have been caught.

Posted by presby (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thats a lot better than burning downtown when somebody is shot.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If the same people who fight abortion rights were NOT so often the same people who are first to fight wars and also frequently fight social programs, then I would listen to them more.

But in a country with incomes as high as ours for child health care lacking and childhood poverty to be so high is appalling, and the people who tirade on the sacredness of life tend to look a bit shallow and unfeeling -- like they are demonstrating their pro-life concerns a bit disingenuously or without thinking it out.

When we as a culture have the stomach to pay for kids more, then our cries about the sacredness of life will ring truer. No matter the low-lifes that stay so poor they cannot pay for their kids but still have them. Making THOSE people bear more children because of someone else's idea that life is sacred is just going to cause problems.

The crosses do not indicate how sacred life is for me. They indicate people who advance Chrisitan values, with Chrisitan symbology and do it imperfectly. Maybe like much conservative banter they seek to appeal to their own kind and are not so much interested in performance otherwise.

Posted by jcmnami (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks Ben for your comments!! You have said almost everything that I could want to say on this issue, except that I have seen both sides of this story with my own eyes and I know which one feels right. When I was in middle school I knew a girl who got pregnant at 13 and her mom told her that ABORTION was not an option. Her mom told her that if she was old enough to have sex then she was old enough to have a child and then make the decision as to whether to keep the child or not. I believe that this is exactly how every parent should respond. Don't tell your teengage child that they have done something terribly wrong and for that reason they are being punished by God and that they must kill their child if they want to have a life again because believe me any normal person who has an abortion is never the same again. My mom had an abortion long before I was even thought about. She was 14 and my Grandma forced her to kill her child!! My mom was so young and so confused that she didn't know which way to turn so she turned to my Grandma, someone she loved and trusted, and thought that she was making the right choice by listening to my Grandma, but to this day she regrets making that decision!! She still cries every year on what was supposed to be her baby's due date!! And she still wonders what her baby would have looked like and if it would have been a boy or a girl.

Posted by jcmnami (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I just think that if PARENTS would be supported and open to options when they find out that their daughter is pregnant then this world would be a much better place. We would have far less homeless teenage girls on the streets and we would have far less abortions!! Because if you talk with your child about their options then the outcome is much much better. Why do parents always say YOU ARE GETTING AN ABORTION!! This child was concieved for a reason. HAS ANYONE EVER HEARD OF ADOPTION!!! If you don't feel guilt by killing your child then you shouldn't feel any guilt by giving birth to a child and giving it to a wonderful family that has not been given the exceptional gift of being able to have a child of their own. I believe that if you were willing and able to lay down and have sex then you were very very aware of what could happen and so you are responsible for the outcome!! I am a woman and I will not lie I have had unprotected sex before as have most of us, but I would never have thought about KILLING my child!! The father might not have wanted to be in the child's life, but I would have been. The child would have been a part of me. My blood would be running through its veins and there is no way that I could have killed it just because the FATHER wanted to be a deadbeat!!! I am a mother of three beautiful little girls and I could not imagine my life without them. I am only 24 and I had my first child at 19. I was unmarried and in college but an abortion never crossed my mind, but my children's father and I have recently gotten married and are truly happy with our lives and we wouldn't change a thing. And before I go please do not get me wrong that I believe that in cases of RAPE and INCEST that it is a woman choice as to what to do with the child because that is a horrible situation and I don't know how I would deal with it!! I am just saying weigh your options because it doesn't matter if you have an abortion, keep the baby, or give it up for adoption because that pain from what was done to you will always be there. Please don't harm a child that can not defend itself!! Please give it to a family who will love in unconditionaly and doesn't care how it was concieve!!

Posted by judy9205 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I really can't tell you how important it is that we now speak for all the victims of violence as they are forever silenced! All should have the opportunity to grow, to prosper... to LIVE.

Posted by bellesouth (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How would pro-lifers like it if we put up bloody coat hangers all over the bluff, representing women's rights to choose. Because if Roe v. Wade gets overturned then women will resort to unsafe and unhealthy practices to make their own choice.

Posted by NTZglasshouses (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Considering MS is #1 in teen pregnancies now, surpassing New Mexico and Texas for the first time ever, the debate will continue.

MS is finally first in the nation on a poll. Way to go! The reports claim the demographic in the state contributes alot to this.

Anyone been to Wal-Mart and seen the teen mother who had the baby she didn't want? Thats a beautiful site. Mom smoking while holding the toddler. Screaming at them the moment they open their mouth. Popping them on the leg everytime they point at something or otherwise try to get their mothers attention.

My wife and I see it everytime we go to the pediatricians office. A room full of mothers using profanity and hitting their children everytime they move.

You cant educate teens on sex. They already know everything. They are so smart they know what its like to not be able to afford milk, and what its like to stay awake all night with an infant with a fever. Atleast they like to think they know. How about we make abortion illegal, and start forcing mandatory birth control? Little punks are having sex, lets atleast stop them from flooding our already abused welfare system.

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey Red, I like your comment to Clown, but what about the prostitutes, or drug addicts that get pregnant? They are in high numbers also. How will we get the message to them?

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, I am going to jump into HOT water with my preacher, but here is an answer for you.

legalize prostitution...and watch as crime goes down and so will abortion....

remember concubines in the old testament?

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A man with any sense would rather pay $60.00 for a decent good looking clean...very clean woman than $25.00 for a skanky, crack addicted, no teeth lot lizard.....

Say it aint so, Joe. Say it aint so..

Posted by sparky018 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:52 a.m.

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Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

well, sparky, why dont you tell us how you really feel...lol...

I understand how you feel.

Posted by lookingout (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

NTZglasshouses you are correct i heard just a few days ago that mississippi teen pregnancy rate is 60% above national average

Posted by sparky018 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

O, i did.. It kind of hits homes especially for someone like me who would love to be able to have a child of there own one day and can't. I am very sure I will end up adopting but for someone to have an abortion, is insane...

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what if they had used the money to build those crosses to help the hungry and homeless?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNbQexZpi...

Posted by sparky018 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

It would have been more beneficial...

Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't understand what the big deal is to 140 little white nameless crosses on the bluff. Theses little babies didn't ask to be conceived much less murdered & by their Mama of all people. I read this once & it really made sense: Of course it will be deleted.
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A man pleaded with GOD.
"Dear GOD, why don't you send us men and women who can find a cure for cancer, aids and heart disease, who can help the poor, feed the hungry and who can stop war?"
GOD replied, "I did."
"But... but... where are they?"
"They came back to Me almost at once: You aborted them."

Posted by sparky018 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen!!!

Posted by JunkyardDawg (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What happened when you found a homeless person staying in an empty house or building?

You boarded up the windows to keep them out.

And now you want us to believe that you really are compassionate when you cry over aborted babies? God knows. You can fool some of the people, but you can never fool God. Check your own heart. Do you hate anyone who doesn't worship God the way you do? Do you hate anyone who doesn't have the same color skin as yours? Do you lie about them so that others will have the same hate and think of them as less than animals and go along with your wars? Do you hate anyone who needs help and assistance? When you saw him sleeping underneath that tree did you ever ask him if he had food and water or did you drive on by thinking of him as lazy and no good? He died, so now you don't have to think about him anymore. I don't have to think of him either, but I do, and wish that I had stopped and asked instead of being afraid because I was alone. God would have been with me and will protect me from death until he wants me to come home. I wish I had thought of that then...maybe I will next time.

Posted by purecountry (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You know I read this article about this lady that went to an abortion clinic to have an abortion, but she did not want to have a scar anywhere, so, he offered to just killed the little girl at home instead of having to cut the mother. She said "NO", that killing my little girl, he told her "SAME THING, MA'AM.
Need I say more! Abortion is murder

Posted by SableSkye (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yay, MS is first for abortion, and 4th for the worst schools! Moving on up!
Ben, you took the words out of my heart. Our newly elected president has voted numerous times that victims of partial birth abortion who were still alive, and could be given medical care to live, be denied treatment, and thrown away to die.
Do you think someone who cares absolutely nothing for our babies, will give a care about us?
I met a 23 year old woman, who stated she was pregnant. I congradulated her, and she quickly stopped me, and said she would be getting rid of it next week. I said why not adoption, and she said she wouldn't want no one else having her child, so she'd rather terminate it. I soon learned this would be her 4th abortion! Why is this allowed to continue? Why should someone who has killed so many babies be allowed to keep their ovaries? Sure I believe in rights, but what right do we have to take a life that hasn't even drawn their first breath? If you don't want to get pregnant, there are many options, most of which are given free, or at little cost. Abstanance being the first! The health dept. is second. Repeat killers should be sterilized, both parties involved in the unwanted pregnancy. Once you decide to end the life, that you helped concieve than you shouldn't have the option of doing it again.
Think of all the future Presidents that may have been murdered or Dr's who may have found a cure for aids! Don't try to rationalize your sin, your child might be in heaven, but I assure you, you will be farther south.

Posted by broonzy (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MS is #1 for teenagers' pregnancy. Pro-life took control many years ago of the prevention programs in the schools. for sure, the old same bigotry worked fine...
In Iran, abortion is prohibited. People who are sullying the bluff and killing unborn ants by sticking wood crosses in the ground should buy a one way plane-ticket...

Posted by sparky018 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How can doctors or anyone else for that matter even be allowed to condone murder? Thats exactly what they r doing.. I like how Mississippi has that open door at all hospitals and health departments for babies that there parents either don't want or cant care for.. All u have to do is drop the child off with no questions asked.. At least they are getting the chance to live that way..

Posted by reb1843 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I left the Repooplican Party some time ago because they abandoned the conservative social, political, and economic principles that once made this country the envy of the world.
In any event, all the policritters who talk the talk never walk the same. They blab about being 'pro-life' or whatever term you care to use, but they NEVER EVER stand together to overturn Roe v. Wade. It only takes a 2/3 vote to overturn ANYTHING the supreme court comes up with, but they don't have the cajones to do so.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

When we see a product that we know will kill some people do we allow it to be marketed? Yes we do.

When it is time to spray crops for profit even though some innocent wil die from cancers and toxins do we spray them? Yes we do.

Do we keep the speed limit high even though we know the 55 mph saved lives? Yes we do.

Life is not sacred -- to almost everybody in one way or another. But some people say it is.

The abortion debate is unique in that the people who most want abortion prohibited will likely not be paying for the sacred upkeep of the sacred child -- so they demand others do what they think is right and want others to pay for it too.

So I won't be a part of an abortion in my family, but I would never want to make abortion illegal just to get others to uphold my claim that life is sacred. In being so honest I think I hold both life and truth more sacred than many of those so passionate about the political fight to prohibit abortion.

Posted by barbarj1 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 1:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am a child of God. He created me as he creates everyliving thing. A child is not conceived unless God creates it. Sometimes we lose sight of this. Yes, I know there are those that don`t believe in God. I myself just can`t go through life thinking that I just happened out of the blue. There is a greater power and I will dwell with him someday in a much more beautiful place knowing that I treasured my chrildren and raised them to know and follow him. That`s my religious "freedom". I hope all these women that have aborted their precious chrildren will find peace but I know they will have to answer to the Lord even if they don`t believe in Him and it will be His decision as to whether he forgives them. He has His own idea as to what freedom means.

Posted by momoftwo23 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 1:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I pray for everyone that is Pro-Choice. One day you will wake up and realize you are killing little innocent babies. May God have Mercy on your Souls. I just dont understand how Anyone could kill an innocent child. Abortion is the same thing as angry fathers or mothers walking into their house and shooting their babies. For a better example, people who have abortions are no better than Andrea Yates and should be treated with punishment. I know that God says do not judge, and I am not judging. There is a difference in judging and telling the truth.

Posted by kpage (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm 39 years old and still undecided on the abortion issue. One one hand, how could anyone kill their precious unborn baby? Then, on the other hand, I see millions of precious children on TV who are homeless, hungry, and helpless. In these 3rd world countries, mamas keep having babies they KNOW will have miserable lives but do nothing to prevent pregnancy (I'm sure for different reasons). I see dirty babies all over the poor part of our towns with nothing on but a saggy diaper and cuss words spewing from their mouths. I wonder if all the babies who were aborted in the last 10 years were alive today, what would the crime rate be like? If a mama doesn't want her kid and can't abort it, then that kid will have a miserable life anyway...and you know what happens to kids who's mama don't care about them...they wind up slangin' dope to our kids and home-invading your grandmother.

I'm really split on this. I love my three children and never considered aborting them...NEVER! But what happens to US if abortion is illegal and bad mamas can't stop breeding? WE pay for it. And the murdering mamas will just have to deal with The Man Upstairs and that has nothing to do with me!

I just loooove me some babies! I'd have one now if I was not spayed.

Posted by kangaroochaser (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some data from the Guttmacher Institute, the research arm of Planned Parenthood.

Number of abortions per hour 2004--169
Number of abortions per hour 2005 (latest year for which complete data is available)--138
Percentage of abortions performed for causes of rape, incest, or to preserve the life of the mother--<3%

>97% of abortions are performed as a means of birth control.

While you are at it, google Margaret Sanger KKK. This woman, the founder of Planned Parenthood, had as her avowed, though private purpose, the elimination of the black race, which she felt was inferior. THAT was the founding purpose behind Planned Parenthood.

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Eldoogo, that last post sounds like an election campaign. LOL!

Posted by caresaboutnatchez (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well is looks like our display is working. It has all the "Pro-Abortion" people who are in favor of murdering the unborn something to comment on and that is what we wanted. We are bringing awareness to the silent killer in our country that has taken so many innocent lives. Abortion is murder and and it has to be stopped!!!!!!

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Elgoodo -- Products that kill? Oxycodone, Hydrocodone, maldrin, dieldrin, gasoline, heptachlor, DDT....bullets, cigarettes, cigars, -- the list is endless. It doesn't have to kill as a part of the prescribed use to know it will kill.

Pesticides that kill? Oh come on Goodo. It doesn't have to happen the minute you apply the product to be true. Only killing 10 people in a million is still taking innocent life in the name of profit.

High speeds killing? Sure they do. It doesn't matter if they do all the time or if it is the only factor. It is one of the biggest killers of teen drivers.

Now Goodo, I see you are not much for understanding the letter of what someone writes. Or even taking issue accurately with what someone says -- so why is it other than you can type that your opinion is so valuable?

Face it sport, you are out of your league. Humans don't do absolute truths very well. The ancient Jews even for a while said that even uttering the name of God was a sin -- because people are such fools about thinking they know the absolutes that they will utter one of their simple truths and then ascribe God as saying it.

Face it. My post is more honest and accurate than your rebuttal. It only remains to be seen if you can admit it without insult.

Posted by BattleBoys_WIL (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Pro-Life or Pro-Choice, crack heads all! People need to worry and care about what’s going on in your own life (and family) and stop worrying about what others are doing. If you are holding down a job, raising children, and working on preserving a good marriage; than you want have time to worry or care about what someone else is doing (or not doing.) Bad things happen to good people when they are minding others people business and not their own. Keep your own backyard clean and don’t worry about the person’s next door.

Posted by SniperX (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 3:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You said it Battle,

Bad things happen in the world and nothing is going to change that anytime soon. Protect your own family and home.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Amen fellas.

Posted by st8player37 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If a pregnant lady is killed, the murderer is charged with two counts of homicide...explain that one pro-choicers.

http://crime.about.com/b/2005/09/01/man-...

Why the double-standard? How can a "docotor" do the same thing and it not be considered murder?

I guess for future reference, if anyone is planning on killing a pregnant lady, make sure to remove the baby 2/3 of the way out, then kill it...that way you only get charged with one count of murder!

This whole debate is ridiculous. Life begins at conception....period. The problem is that too many are using abortion as a means of birth control. As far as rape goes, kill the rapist not the baby.

Forget all the statistics....here's a very simple one: no sex = no baby. Abstinence works...check out Uganda for an example:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/oct...

If you have had an abortion, remember that God loves you and will forgive you.

Posted by getreal (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

if abortion is illeagle the people that are getting abortions will start using birth controll yes some will have back room abortions but most will start to figure out a better solution than murder. anybody that spouts crime statistics in the abortion issue has no aurgument

Posted by JAYMALU (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

DON'T GET ME WRONG WHEN I SAY THIS... I'M NOT ADVISING YOUNG GIRLS TO HAVE SEX BUT ON THE ISSUE OF ABORTION I FEEL THAT I SHOULD BE THE WOMAN'S DECISION BECAUSE SHE'S THE ONE THAT HAS TO PAY AND GO ALONG WITH ALL THE PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES THAT GO BEHIND THAT PROCEDURE

Posted by Gimmeabreak (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am probably gonna catch heck for this but it seems to me that the pro-life groups who say that all babies should be born no matter what the circumstance are the very ones who finger point and look down on the moms and children, yes the children, who come from these often impoverished, broken homes. The same pro-life groups will fuss because these mothers that chose to have these babies are on welfare and eating up their tax dollars. Now I am not speaking about anyone specific, I am not speaking about anyone who has posted a comment on here. I think that everyone has a right to their opinion, no matter what it is-that is just an observation that I have made. I agree that responsibility should play a part, but girls are going to get pregnant, that is life. I am pro-choice to a point. I dont think that abortion should be a form of birth control-I think that if the mother has been raped or is in danger of dying, or there is something wrong with the baby-that it may be an option. That being said, I dont agree with partial birth abortions, at all.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

st8, you know that the only reason the law is stated that way is that the legislature is parroting the wishes of the SOME of the voters in order to curry favor. According to the law, no one is qualified to make the decision on abortion BUT the mother. You seem to usurp the mother's rights in order to make a point disingenuously.

If your insinuation were more the standard vision then abortion would be illegal. The key is that the mother gets to decide since she will either make or ruin that baby -- the only way abortion is allowed is if SHE decides and then depending on where you are only for so long in a pregnancy. Your disregard of the fact that only mothers can make such decisions is specious, but I know -- you think you can decide better -- even for crack-heads and mentally ill folks.

The vast majority of the planet does not think abstinence is adequate birth control. The pro-life site you cite is claiming advances in the reduction of HIV rates in a single country, while nearly all the rest have failed to produce such results. But in all the rest of Africa our intransigence against condoms if they are part of a system that also counsels abortion has left AIDS rates skyrocketing -- that is why I say that most of the anti-crowd cares not about the sanctity of life -- it is an ideological bent to have it your way that has killed millions through HIV.

Life is not sacred -- otherwise there would be an outcry against our policies that restrict condom distribution in epidemic areas. Choosing restricting to abstinence over other methods is politics, not compassion.

Posted by gottabehappy (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Did I SAY I was offended by the crosses? NO! I am however Pro Choice and by that I mean PRO FLIPPIN CHOICE!

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 4:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

This debate is just the opposite of the debate on smoking.
The debate on the smoking article is that smoking should be banned because it kills people. This debate is that women should have the right to kill unborn children. There is some irony in that.

I personally am Pro-Life. Yes abortions should be allowed in some cases.. rape, incest,indangering the mother's health.. but in other cases women already have the choice. Don't have sex if you are not willing to risk the consequences. There are many people out there that want to adopt children if there is an unwanted pregnancy.

However... as long as abortion is legal I don't believe that people attempting to get an abortion should not be harrassed when attempting to get an abortion.

BTW: Using a lower crime rate as an arguement in favor of abortion is a scary thought. If you use that argurment then you open the door for lowering the crime rate by eliminating lower income people because a large number of the people that commit crimes are from that tax bracket. And no I am not picking on people in lower crime rates; I am just making a point.

Posted by Whisper (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 5:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you don't approve of abortion,,,,,, then don't have one. If you don't like drinking liquor,,,, then don't... If you don't want to smoke,,,,,, then don't. But stop trying to push your views on someone else's life. If you want to pray or whatever for something or someone,,,, then do. Other than that. Unless I blow smoke in your face. What I do with my body is nobodys business.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

so, what if the govt mandated that you get approved prior to pregnancy? or limited to one child per family (like China). isn't that about the same as telling a woman what she can/can't do with her body and life?

Let's try that out too while we're imposing selected morals on the masses.

Posted by dynagirl (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The bluff??? Did the Corps approve? They better not destablize things!

Posted by VillageIdiot (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hello. There is really no pro-choice or pro-life discussion necessary in this day and age. Even if Roe vs Wade were to be overturned... and abortion made completely illegal (in the US). (Which won't happen). Do you really think that the number of abortions in the US would drop? Wake up, people. The only thing that would happen would be that women seeking abortion, i.e. ordinary women with unwanted pregnancies, would have to turn to illegal abortion/solutions: unsanitary conditions, unprofessional "physicians", etc. The dangers would increase, but the abortions would continue... unabated. Have you ever heard of prohibition?

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Redusmfan, you said, "Well, I am going to jump into HOT water with my preacher"...now there is a mental image I didn't sign up for...LOL. I'm not straddling the fence, but I don't think I agree with the brash confrontational tactics being used.

My earlier points were related directly to something Gottabehappy also pondered, what protest would the Pro-Choice folks come up with to counter the Pro-Life display? I was wondering if this was the kind of thing that the City should be promoting with granting a license, the angry debate and inflammatory divisiveness that this topic causes in an already divided community.

I wasn't trying to get into "abortion politics", I was simply wondering if it was a wise decision by the City to allow this display, at this time, at this place, when it may not have been necessary to do so. Why was this area picked? Obviously to encite outrage and not encourage conversion. It worked.

Why should the City allow itself to be used as a tool to accomplish a tactical goal that is nefarious regardless of whether the strategic goal of the organization is noble or not. All they had to do was say NO.

Posted by VillageIdiot (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez - Let's Point The Finger Game:

Objective: Blame someone or something else. It doesn't matter what the problem or issue is, just point your finger. It's simple... and fun! Your problems must be attributed to...

Targets include, but are not limited to: garden club members, non-garden club members, liberals, conservatives, democrats, republicans, blacks, whites, poor, rich, pro-life, pro-choice, smokers, non-smokers... politicians, bankers, lawyers, real estate agents, insurance agents, teenage delinquents, un-wed mothers, talkshow hosts, media subversives, homosexuals, transvestites, christians, jews, protestants, catholics, small-town busybodies, village idiots, first cousins, second cousins, the IRS, the federal government, state and local government, the weather, etc...

Posted by VillageIdiot (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well. Come on... start pointing.

Posted by concordian (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If anyone is interested, here is a fact, Jane roe(norma L. McCorvey) tried to overturn the roe v wade decision 25 yrs after the ruling. When she filed the claim in 1970 she was a rape victim. The court proceeding took so long she gave birth instead of getting the legal abortion she wanted. She sought to overturn the decision because so many women use it as a form of birth control. Google it. I did.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam Mohon, I'll thank you not to impute non-existant motives to Pro-Life Natchez Adams County. Before the first display was put up and prayer vigil held 3 years ago the city attorney did an extensive review of constitutional case law before the first permit was ever granted. Our choices for the display were the bluff or Memorial Park on the Main Street side. We chose the bluff for one reason only--visibility for our message in hopes that at least one person would stop and think. We did not choose a church site because, contrary to the comments of some here, we are NOT a religious organization and we are not affiliated with any particular church. In fact, some of our members are not church members at all, but instead view the abortion debate as essentially one of civil rights. There was no "nefarious" purpose involved at all, so don't assume--you know what that makes you.

Posted by snatchez (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

how long is the permit for? I agree with Sam that the group should buy a place and keep it there all year if they want. Just don't keep it on public property.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The permit is for 2 weeks. The crosses will be taken down Jan. 25.

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Posted by broonzy (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The permit is for 2 weeks" :
I want one. I wanna plant crosses on the bluff for all the people who died of aids in Africa because of christian propaganda against the condomns.

Posted by broonzy (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

dragonflyday , please write a book. You are a genius ! after the thoughtful comments you made on Obama as a terrorist, it's so good to read you again !

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think it would be wise for the city to get into the habit of declining permits based on the nature of the display, march etc. - That opens the door for the city to deny the right to march, display etc anything that the current city government disagress with. Permits are required for a Christmas Parade and non christian people could be offeded by that but we wouldn't want that permit declined. That fear of increased government interference in personal lives is the same reason that while I am pro-life personally I don't feel it is right to harrass pro-choice people.

Posted by overthehill60 (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have a friend in England and before her great-grandson was born the sonogram showed something drastically wrong with his head. They were given the option of abortion, but they didn't. He was born with Goldrenhar Syndrome and several other deformaties & faces many years of surgery, but he's a happy little fellow that excells in all abilities including his learning. He recently got his first glass eye and thinks he is something else.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh, it's okay for pro-lifers to kill people who visit abortion clinics. After all, Christianity is all about love, isn't it? Bunch of flipping hypocrites.

Posted by consider_reason (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't like abortions? Don't have one. Who appointed you and your group spokesperson for the unborn? What arrogance - what pomposity - what absolute idiocy.

Posted by purecountry (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 9:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

one of the ten commandments: Thou shalt not kill................. When you break a commandment that pretty bad.

And stop bickering about the crosses being on the property, they got a permit, so they went thru the proper channels. They did it the legal way (not the abortion way).

All I gotta say is .....May God be with those that believe in abortions. We gotta pray for them.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

While I am on the pro-life side of this argument I find it odd that a symbol of human sacrifice is so honoered it is used to protest human sacrifice. I wish the group had planted 140 trees or shrubs or clumps of flowers instead.

Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you want to know the truth about abortions, go to YouTube and search for "The Silent Scream" and watch all five parts. It is very graphic, but true. The doctor had agreed to let them film a documentary on the abortion he was performing. To him then, it was just some tissue he was removing. He had never watched a sonogram of the procedure. The resulting film greatly affected his life. No matter which side of this debate you are on, you need to watch these short films to really understand the issue.

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Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enk...did you like the way I worked Carlin in there? That was just for you buddy...LOL.

Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"The first thing I'd do as president is sign the Freedom of Choice Act. That's the first thing that I'd do." -- Senator Barack Obama, speaking to the Planned Parenthood Action Fund, July 17, 2007

NRL News: The "Freedom for Partial-Birth Abortionists Act" -- Pro-Abortion Lawmakers Propose FOCA to Invalidate All Limits on Abortion -- April 25, 2007

This will dump a ton of our tax dollars into the hands of Planned Parenthood whether we agree with their killing innocent infants or not. It is being worked on in Congress right now. If you do not want your tax dollars being used to kill the true innocents, you had best get in touch with your senators and representatives immediately.

Posted by concordian (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I want everyone to think of Caylee Anthony at this point. Her mother wanted to give her up for adoption the grandmother (cindy) did't want that. Therefore Casey endured this child for two years. Would Caylee have been better off aborted? Put up for adoption? Or brutually murdered at the hands of her mother? Innocent until proven guilty. Well Miss Anthony would have been partying with her friends to this day if she had chose to abort. I think there is something horribly wrong with this picture. Choose abortion walk scott free, go full term serve life or death. Murder is murder first trimester (3 mths) or three years. The law is wrong period. Do you people take offense to the crosses on the hwys of the people who die in auto accidents? Why would you be offended by those on the bluff? Wake up and smell the sulfur.

Posted by hitchcock (anonymous) on January 12, 2009 at 11:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My cousin has two adopted children that I have never seen, but I feel the same connection with them as I do my real cousins.
Casey Anthony is another story she murdered her child when her parents took 90% care of her. There was no excuse for her behavior. Only that she is a cold bloodied murderer.
Anyone that is taking offense in the prescious little crosses are cold hearted people that could care less about unborn or born babies.

Posted by 2BAD4U (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I bet the people that are against this wouldn't mind a gay rights march in the same spot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And they would want you hanged if you harmed a dog or misused a horse. Go figure!

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ElGoodo: So basically you think it's cool to kill children in the womb because you don't like being saddled with the responsibility of birth control. . . . Selfishness and an aversion to responsibility. How noble.

Elgoodo—what a holier than thou sexist you are! You don’t know me so I would appreciate it if you would quit Bible thumping and making assumptions you know nothing about. Do I think it’s cool to kill children? Of course not. Just because I believe a WOMAN has the right to choose whether to have a baby or not does not mean I have an aversion to responsibility. Au contrare. I just believe that, since it takes TWO people to make a baby, it should be TWO people who share the responsibility of birth control. There is little nobility in a MAN who uses a WOMAN, then cuts and runs. Now, THAT describes selfishness and an aversion to responsibility. Further, as you are not my God nor do you have the authority to speak on his behalf, I, and other WOMEN, do NOT answer to you.

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Redusmfan: redhead, well, lets be pro-choice. . . . I guess it is fortunate for you that your mama was not pro-choice.

I AM fortunate, because 57 years ago my mother didn’t have a choice. Abortions were performed in backrooms or hotels, with non-medical personnel using whatever was handy—usually a coat hanger. If an abortion was botched, a woman would likely bleed to death or her body would be so mutilated that any future children were out of the question. But, of course, YOU are more concerned about a fetus than the woman. Luckily for me, my mother was happily married to a MAN who wanted a family and provided for them. I grew up in a normal household, with food on the table, clothes on my back, and two loving parents that raised me. I WAS LUCKY. There are unwanted children born to children who cannot take care of them. They have no food to eat, no shelter, and they are raising themselves. Those unwanted children usually grow up to be angry, anti-social adults who are unleashed in our UNLUCKY SOCIETY.

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BenWyles: I've never believed that the responsibility lies solely with women. . . . A woman chosses birth control. Granted, this responsibility lies with both parties but if you choose to risk unwanted pregnancy then you can't assign blame to the other party.

I’m a little confused. You say you never believed that the responsibility lies solely with women, yet you turn around and say “a woman cho[oses] birth control.” Does a WOMAN have a choice about who is responsible for birth control? To my knowledge, the only birth control that exists for MEN are condoms, a vasectomy, and abstinence. Now, tell me, just how many MEN do you know who are willing to take responsibility for birth control and use any of those options? Not many. For decades, WOMEN have been subjected to taking a pill everyday (some women cannot stomach the pills) or have a foreign object inserted in their bodies or had their tubes tied—to take responsibility for birth control. So, you’re saying that, if a WOMAN takes the risk to have SEX (how dare her) with a MAN, she should not assign blame to him if an unwanted pregnancy results? As I said before, until MEN start taking responsibility for birth control, they don’t have the right to complain or to judge a WOMAN on how she handles the results of an unwanted pregnancy.

Posted by muleman (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

People have not changed much since we have been on this earth. People in the past have sacrificed their children for good crops,rain or to win a battle etc.
Now we are sacrificing them for our convenience. Humans are degenerate souls except for the grace of God. My advice is to pray that the Lord will change the hearts of men, which he can and surely does at His own will.

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

BenWyles: What about the adoption choice? If you can't bear the thought of raising a child then at least provide him or her the opportunity for a life.

Having an unwanted pregnancy doesn’t automatically mean that the WOMAN is considering an abortion or adoption because she can’t bear to raise the child. There can be thousands of reasons that a WOMAN believes she should not keep a baby, and only a WOMAN can know those reasons. Adoption IS an option--a CHOICE--for those WOMEN who cannot bring themselves to get an abortion. Many women choose that option, particularly if the pregnancy is too far along when they find out. However, there are women who argue that carrying a baby for nine months (and all that entails), giving it up for adoption (for whatever reason), and living daily with the emotional fallout, is more difficult than living with having an abortion. I agree with you that the beauty and romance of a sexual relationship has been lost, but that is the reality that we live with today. The reality that people are human and humans make mistakes---some that they will have to live with all of their lives.

Posted by momoftwo23 (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jeremiah 1:5 "Before I made you in your mother's womb, I chose you."

Beginnings are very important! In fact, the place of origin has much to do with the quality of the journey as well as the final destination! My journey - like yours - began in the heart and mind of God. Before I took even one breath, God wanted, loved and planned me. That same truth applies to you, my friend. You are no accident! You and I were created in response to the love of God and according to His plans. God did not "accidentally" create us and then step back in alarm and say, "Oops! I created her. Now what am I going to do with her?" The plan came first.

And that my friend is what I think about Abortion.

May God forgive anyone who has ever had an abortion and all of the people that believe in abortion. I hope and pray that you wake up and realize that sucking the brains out of an innocent baby is MURDER! ABORTION IS MURDER!

How long will it take you lost people to wake up and realize that? I hope for your sake that when you realize that it is not TO LATE!

God Bless All!

Posted by MsRedhead (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jabese5: “A fetus may grown and change - but it is a human being from the beginning.

You and I will have to disagree on the definition of human being. One egg and one sperm does not make a human being. When that one egg and one sperm mate and change into a zycote, it still is not a human being. You have your definition and I have mine.

... And, women are not only responsible for birth control, they are responsible for what they do with their own body. . . . I know there are other situations where a woman might not necessarily want a child - but it's still a human life and not her choice to end it.

Again, you and I will have to disagree on WHO is responsible for birth control. It takes TWO—a MAN and a WOMAN to make a baby. I don’t know why you think YOU are 100% responsible for getting pregnant, but you could not have gotten pregnant without your baby’s father. The point is you and the baby’s father made a baby, but YOU took complete responsibility for it. YOU made a decision YOU could live with—to keep the baby. YOU are lucky that your child is beautiful and a source of happiness for you. The reality is that not everyone who made the same decision you made, are as happy as you are. Life is about making choices and living with the results of those choices, but it is NOT for you to judge what another person chooses to do. I think that responsibility lies between a woman and God.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sucking the life out of an unborn child should no more be a choice than murdering a child in a mothers arms. In the arms or in the womb, it's still murder. Many women give birth everyday to a very much loved and wanted child whose legal or illegal father is an unlikeable bum that the mother can't stand. You don't blame the child for its moment of conception. If a mother can't stand the sight of her baby then I assure you there is loving people out there than can.People that promote this type of child murder is just as guilty as the mothers and doctors that participate in the practice.May God have mercy!

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, a woman is responsible for getting pregnant? I didn't know that. Well, let me start thinking my baby into conception.

Posted by Razzmatazz (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Read Psalm 139, if you have a Bible, especially 13 through 16. Tell me then that this is just a mass, something to be thrown out in the trash. Tell me that this is not a human being, that God did not have plans for every child born or not born. The Bible is very specific about killing children.
Lev 18:21 You shall not give any of your children to offer them to Molech, and so profane the name of your God: I am the LORD.
Lev 20:2 "Say to the people of Israel, Any one of the people of Israel or of the strangers who sojourn in Israel who gives any of his children to Molech shall surely be put to death. The people of the land shall stone him with stones.
Lev 20:3 I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name.
Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them to him, saying, "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of God.
There is this forgotten scripture also:
Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?'
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.'
I read all this rhetoric and garbage about your rights. You have no rights because all belongs to God and He can do as He pleases. All we can do is beg His mercies and follow Him, loving Him, showing Jesus Christ to others, and seeking His will. His will is not that children be killed before their time, but that they live to honor Him. May God forgive us for allowing children to be killed for our selfishness and desires.
I know that many of you do not believe in God and the Bible, but that is no excuse. You have heard and this may be your only chance to hear and know a Holy God, through His Son Jesus. Don't let your selfishness, greed, and ignorance keep you from heaven. Say what you want but, in the end, judgement will come to all who reject Him.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This is Gods business so don't even go there if you don't think it is.

Posted by kpage (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm with draw! It takes two, people.

I believe those who scream "pro-life" should be as vigilant in tending to the lives of ALL people as they do the unborn. As stated earlier, it makes no sense to arrogantly drive by the hungry, homeless man sleeping under a tree on the way to the abortion protest, where several girls will be injured by the protesters on their way inside the clinic.

Posted by 2BAD4U (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With this being a fine example, anything that is done in the favor of Christ always upsets the minority that aren't . I just wonder when it will be against the law to put up a Christmas tree.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 12:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some points of information about our organization, Pro-Life Natchez Adams-County:
1. We are not affiliated with any church or political party.
2. We do not take part in clinic protests or "sidewalk couselling" as we feel this is counterproductive.
3. We provide referral services to public and private social service agencies when approached by women who need help.
4. We have no dues and collect no money, but upon occasion when someone has approached us for emergency aid (they need diapers or formula RIGHT NOW) members have dug into their personal pockets to provide until some more permanent arrangement can be made.
5. We encourage the membership to use their constitutional right to contact their state and federal representatives regarding pro-life legislation.
6. We have speakers who will do presentations to church or civic groups when invited, and we provide educational programs to our membership when the opportunity arises.
7. The cross display and prayer vigil is our only public activity, and this has been taking place for 3 years, with appropriate approval from the city.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

msfit, I wish I could have been with ya'll.I had a grandchild murdered through abortion and my daughter never got over it. It was the result of my ex-husband and his new wife that think its a great form of birth control. Between the two of them ,they are directly responsible for many deaths. It's very sad.How can I become a member?My child was very young at the time and got pregnant again as soon as she could. I've known other women to do this. As sick as it seems ,I've heard some say it was their way of trying to get their lost baby back. We know that is not what happens. The poor girls are just feeling unbearable quilt.You can't rationalize this in any way.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Unbearable quilt? I had an unbearable quilt one time. It was uglier than you can imagine. So I made a brand new one -- with pretty colors. It's on the bed, even as we speak.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 4:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think that encouraging dialog on this issue is great -- it needs to be done.

One of my primary points is that our culture does not value life as sacred, and that re-defining life as from conception THEN claiming it is sacred and pushing legislation is misconceived and misapplied logic.

We allow deaths for profit and ideology in our culture if taken by custom and protocol -- the greater good does get served by hopefully judicious choices that cost some lives. Abortion as a special right given only to the mothers who will bear and may raise the children is one of those areas where life is unfortunately lost.

If I were NOT right, the statistics would not show such an alarming number of abortions, and people would be more keen on other forms of birth control. But the numbers do not lie -- we DO NOT revere human life as sacred. Pro-life (anti-choice) activists should be honest about their reasons.

Until we do revere life as a culture, trying to legislate the percentage of poor and ignorant mothers -- or even the shallow and dumb ones who slip up and become pregnant when it will not fit into their lives -- into compliance with standards only a portion of our culture accepts is unwise and not indicated.

I support pro-life advocates who encourage bringing pregnancies to term, who advocate and encourage use of ALL the other birth control methods, who aid scared girls who are vexed by the choice, and who lobby for ALL pro-life causes. I do not tend to support groups who try to use legislative action to stop abortion, or who encourage others to do so. As long as so many in our society choose abortion, and the freedom to choose is supported by a majority in our country, our legal system considers it a private choice. Government doesn't make things better surely enough to go against the wishes of so many people and the case for a sacred life that starts at conception is just not supported in our culture.

When we act like life is sacred to our military and our industrial infrastructure, when products that will provably kill innocents are banned as a matter of absolute policy, then it may be appropriate to single women out and make them fall in line with the idea that life is sacred. Until then it is not reasonable or fair to saddle pregnant women with that definition of sacred.

Just my opinion -- not so common around here but well laid. Not only have I avoided abortion in my life due to my actions, I have two kids grown now who have also done so because I taught them to be earnest and to never get in that position -- but anyone can slip up.

I think when all is told -- opinions on war, pollution, and stewardship of this world, the pro-choice people tend to be friendlier to life than the anti-choice people on average. But the dialog is good.

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree most men would not choose one of the three options available for male birth control (abstinance, condoms or vasectomy) but women do have the option of refusing to have sex with a man that does not use a condom or have a vasectomy so I can not say that all birth control is the woman's responsibility.

That being said While I am prolife I do not think the government should ban a woman from having the right to choose what is done with her body but....

Both sides of this issue have the right to put forth their own ideas in order to try to change peoples opinions on the issue to the Pro Life group does have the right to put on their display and if the Pro Choice group would like to do something that is their right as well.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

To murder should never be a choice!

Posted by hitchcock (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you can look at these horrible grapic pictures and still say aboration is right then you better get on your knees and do some serious talking to God.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.htm...

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Can't look at them,hitchcock. Too painful!

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My relationship with God is my business.

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And BTW: I never said I personally thought abortion was right. I just don't feel it is something the government has any business being involved in. The government should not leglislate morality or religion (and that is exactally what they would be doing if the decision is based on God). That is what separation of Church and State is all about.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, your reflection above was thoughtful and cogent. Although I think we would have to agree to disagree on some points, I respect the thought you have put into the issue of our culture and its approach to the sanctity of life as a whole. I don't know if you are interested, but one of the best writings I have ever found on this issue is the one that his informed my own conscience with regard to life issues: "The Seamless Garment--Writings on a Consistent Ethic of Life" by Joseph Bernardin. There is a brief but basically correct summary of his stance in the Wikipedia article about him, but the book itself is very rich and well worth a read. He is not a pacifist--he agrees with the existence of legitimate self-defense, and that there can be such a thing as a just war, but he argues forcefully (and I agree) that abortion, war, euthanasia, respect for the handicapped, capital punishment, and poverty and economic justice must all be considered as life issues. I will freely admit that the only one I still struggle with on a regular basis is capital punishment.

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have not read The Seamless Garment but I will certainly do so. I think it is a good thing that people can disagree as long as it is done with respect. My only problem with this current discussion is the people becoming angry because of the difference of opinion and the name calling. I don't believe that the government will ever be able to get rid of poverty or create economic justice because there will always be those that are not willing to work (and I am not saying that all people living in poverty are unwilling to work). Nor do I have a problem with capital punishment.

Posted by msfixit (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 6:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree that there are problems that will never be completely solved, and poverty is one of them. It is very easy to become overwhelmed with all the issues in our poor, fallen world that need attention, but a person only has limited time and energy to devote, so I feel it is wisest to pick the area or areas that resonate most strongly and work on those. For various reasons the two areas that I have chosen to concentrate my time and efforts on right now are the issues of abortion and respect for the handicapped (which are in some cases related). In previous times I have had other focuses that I have put just as much time and energy into. It is part of the approach that I have brought up constantly in these forums--if something is going on that you don't like, don't just sit back and gripe, get up and put your time/money where your mouth is.

Posted by reneef (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 7:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree completely.

Posted by JLM79 (anonymous) on January 13, 2009 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MsRedHead--Would you at least agree that if the fetus has a viable heartbeat it is human? The heart begins beating when a woman is considered to be 5 weeks pregnant--3 weeks after conception. Most women don't even know they are pregnant at this point. Yes, the fetus is still completely dependent on its mother, but so is the newborn! Regardless of when any person may say life begins, the truth is that an abortion will stop a heart from beating.

Iconoclast--Did you know that Jane Roe has since become a Pro-Lifer? She greatly regrets the part she played in getting abortion legalized. Check out this interview:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/21/mccorv...

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on January 14, 2009 at 9:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two things:
1. Do any of these mothers get counseling before having an abortion? Or after? Do they really know what is going to happen to their bodies. I have two friends who have had abortions. One had one after already having 2 kids because she felt she couldn't deal with another one. Since her abortion she has had severe depression and spends several weeks a year at a mental hospital. The other one was a young girl whose parents insisted on an abortion, and because of problems with the "legal" abortion, she can no longer have any children. She and her husband have tried for many years and finally adopted.
2. Those of you saying that it is not a human - well, think of this. Hitlers "doctors" tried many times to inseminate a human with the sperm from various animals - dogs, horses, etc. Guess what - it never happened. ONLY when the sperm and egg of humans meet will there be a new human.
Simple solution - abstain until you are ready to be a mommy, use birth control, or insist that your partner uses condoms. Sure this is putting the burden of prevention on the woman, and I hate to point this out, but women are the ones who are in control of their bodies when they do this.

Posted by time4change (anonymous) on January 15, 2009 at 8:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This world would perhaps be a much better place if all of the pro-lifers had as much compassion for the already born as they do for an unborn fetus. Some of you have way more compassion for stray dogs and cats than you do a living child in need and prove that as you spend much of your time writing about how you resent the money being taken from your tax dollars to help some poor mother receiving welfare to care for her children. If life had been better for those pregnant women who do choose to abort, perhaps, they would have chosen differently, but for some reason or other, they are not ready to be mothers. Yes they could give the baby up for adoption, but what if they don't wish to bring life into a world that has been too cruel to them? God sees a much larger picture than we do and He already knows, but I'm afraid that you can't see your own hand in the choices that some people make. And, some pregnant females became that way by no choice of their own and they should more than anyone else have the right to decide whether or not to go through nine months of pregnancy. Where is your compassion for the younger girl who has been traumatized by rape or incest? Would you force her to be further traumatized by going through pregnancy and childbirth even if it could rupture her uterus or end her life? Where is your compassion for her? She's just an innocent child too.

Posted by bobj (anonymous) on January 26, 2009 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Well after reading all of this I'm mostly shocked about all of this. How in the world do you not think that a growing fetus is not a human? So are you calling saying that you are a alien of some kind or something else? Are you saying that you not human? Once we all were fetus. A human is a human from the beginning. There is no way that I wouldn't think of myself at one time as not human. I believe that Abortion is wrong and that it is killing a human. My views on this subject is that Abortion should only be opt to thoes that are having complications, rape, incest, or certain death to the mother, not to oh my God I'm pregnant and this is such a inconvenience. That is an easy way out. If you did the crime you should take responsibility for it. Don't want a kid then DON'T HAVE SEX or use a condom (males) or get on b.c. or make him ware a condom (females). If you get pregnant and can't afford it or in a tough living situation... then tough should have thought about that before you had intercourse. Let that be a lesson for ya. And To the males, It's your fault too. Man up take up your responsibility as a father and deal with it support the kid. Remember you screwed up too. My other views is why are you killing your future? Do you not know that the human life growing inside you is you in since? In a way you are killing your future, your only way of keeping your name alive. It is very horrible of how they do an Abortion. I respectfully Appreciate all opinions but some of them are hard to stomach. And this is my opinion.