Posted by unclered (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There is no responsible Republican alternative. How can politicians who deny there is a problem have a remedy for this situation? They have no plan.

Alexander's concern is not with prices at the pump, but his state's reliance on the oil industry. Green energy can be prosperous for Louisiana. Since the state's rice farmers are being overwhelmed by cheap rice imported from Asia, they could build the world's largest ethanol plant in Acadia parish.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 8:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

This article is pure hogwash! It starts off with a fib.

There are plenty of things worse than higher energy prices especially if the higher prices can bring some real change to energy markets. A terrorist nuclear attack or another Iraq Oil War come to mind as worse than higher prices which we will get anyway.

Has anybody else noticed that scare-mongering is getting to be the primary Republican skill?

Remember those 8 years when the Republican US government said climate change was not real, then it was real but not man-made, then it was ok because 300,000 years ago things were warm so oil companies and oil guzzling nations could do whatever they wanted?

Remember when Republican wars and Republican style free enterprise meant WHOPPING gas prices with very little of it going to alternative fuel technologies?

Too many of those politicos who sat by and encouraged them while oil companies gouged us then are now pretending they are wise stewards -- and the Democrats are the enemy. Gee guys you are a one-trick pony aren't you?

Cap n Trade will take money that the oil companies would eventually get at the next price hikes and funnel it to alternative fuels. Of course it is risky but high oil prices are a certainty otherwise with no guarantee that the private sector will cooperate better than they ever did at developing alternative fuels. We need those same alternative technologies that the oil companies have sought to impede and bury while they profited on their significant infrastructure. And Republicans are NOT trustworthy.

We can no longer tolerate the war mongering for oil that characterize Republican rule or their freaked out destabilizing dependence on the oil economy's bribes and donations.

Oil men are industrious, resourceful and we need them, and Democrats are actually BETTER suited to judge how we can maintain productivity AND get alternative technologies. Oil men survived $28 dollar a barrel oil and $130 a barrel oil and they will survive this. They will emerge as the leaders of the new efforts, not as victims.

I'm sorry. The Democrats have more credibility than the Republicans. Republican thrift was a total lie. Republican free enterprise was corrupt and bribed, Republican moral high ground was a lie, and Republicans scare-monger to get their way. No, most of us would not trust the Grand Ol Party any farther than we could throw them -- even though all politicians seem to be crooks in some way.

None of us should forget what Republicans did to us when they had no opposition. Democrats tend to also have some corrupt visions, but it is obvious who is the lesser of evils right now. If Republicans have some good ideas, collaborate with the moderate Democrats among you to get some credibility.

Of course all of this is just my humble opinion, He,he!

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yeahuhhuh says it all....

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 10:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow Yeah, you're probably close to Kool Aid overdose. Perhaps you should step back and take a few cleansing breaths.

Now, why don't we examine a few inconvenient truths.

Once again we see a massive piece of legislation rammed through before anybody is permitted to read it. Doesn't that give any of you libs pause? I'm guessing no. We see how well that worked out with stimulus bill, right?

But let's look at "climate change" or "global warming" or whatever other idiotic euphemism they're using this week to describe this scam. Earlier this year, as Australia was considering its own cap and tax fraud, an Australian Senator who was on the fence asked the Obama administration for some reassurance on the science behind "climate change." Unfortunately, the Obama administration could provide him with none. He's now opposed to the legislation, which has died on the vine.

Spain has been the most aggressive country in the world in promoting and financing "green energy." Their economy has been decimated as a result. Their unemployment rate is greater than 18%, due in large part to their green initiatives. In fact, what they've found is that for every "green" job created, 2.2 real jobs have been lost. And most of the "green" jobs have only been temporary.

In Australia, Europe, Japan and the U.S. there are growing doubts about the science behind "climate change." Probably one reason for the shift in thinking is the fact that the Earth has been cooling since 2001 in spite of increased levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. In fact, Dr. Kiminori Itoh, a Japanese environmental physical chemist who contributed to the much vaunted U.N. climate report, now calls man-made warming "the worst scientific scandal in history."

New Zealand has scrapped their cap and tax scheme.

And wouldn't you know, dissenting voices at the EPA who have examined the science and have concluded that man has nothing to do with "climate change" have been silenced. Shocking, when you consider that this is the most transparent administration in history who is putting science first. Ha ha.

And lastly, isn't it the height of stupidity to impose ANY new tax, much less the largest tax increase in history, right now? Especially since the bill's own authors (who haven't read the whole bill either) admit it will do nothing to lower temperatures. But I guess this bill is in keeping with all of Obama's other policies, which have made the economy much worse, with the added bonus of quadrupling our debt.

But since the Marxist in Chief has declared war on American ideals we can't be bothered with these pesky facts or reality.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 10:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kmbjd40,

Can you point us to something/somewhere that can back up your claims.

sound too much like counterspin to me..... i only found a lot of conservative bloggers touting a dissented edugroup in Spain.

I would like to see more about it....... that does not come from you or the right wing news/bloggers.

No offesnse, just would like to see more that's not so skewed.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kmbjd40 You can't argue with these Obmanites. They don't care or want to see the amount of despair or destruction all these taxes are going to bring. Look no farther than California at what liberal policies do. They have the tightest emission control, highest taxes on the rich in the country, and a goverment run healthcare plan in place. THEY ARE BROKE! The rich (highest taxpayers) and big business are packing up and going to other states. What is it 40 billion in debt? They can't make their payroll at the end of the month unless they get some money from the govt. Dont worry jd40 it's going to be just like when Jimmy Carter was president. After his 4 years in office he was drummed out. Low taxes and less govt is the only thing that Helps business. I can assure you as a business owner, when taxes go up and it cost more for my supplies, it is past on to the consumer weather they are liberal, republican or democrat. And if they can't pay it I will cut hours or employees. When the liberal start opening their light bills, gas, and water bills and see it a lot higher it will sink in. They are not as green as they say they are. They don't want to ride a bike in rush hour traffic, pay more for electricity, go to a stream for water or wipe their but with a leaf. There is a lot of people making a lot of money of this green hype crap, reminds me of the days when a lot of money was made of books and videos of weather Elvis was still alive. I'm still waiting to see these solar powered 18 wheelers and back hoes and delivery trucks that bring everybody goods and supplies. Maybe someone should go to Ups or fedex in Natchez and ask what higher taxes on gas will cost them or better yet cost US. No wait, they will have a sail on them for power or mybe a horse to pull them. These liberals are guaranteing their own demise with these policies, Just like Jimmy Carter did. Like I have said before In another 2 or 3 years you won't be to find anybody that will admit they cast a ballot for Obama and he didn't know what the hell he was doing.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

kmbjd, like Rodney, you seem to have a penchant for starting a discussion with a literally untrue emphasis fib..."Once again we see a massive piece of legislation rammed through before anybody is permitted to read it." I swear you guys cannot resist.

You have so little faith in your democracy.

There are still majorities in the ignorant South and the rural West who can never face the fact that even though hard work and free markets work in our own private lives that government is a different field of play. They never even minimally understood global climate change and carbon cycles and still don't. But more and more of them understand a particular tired set of simplistic untrue solutions when they see them now due to the transparent fibs the GOP has used to perpetuate itself.

You don't seem to have revised your positions in a while, either. You could go ahead and demonize and prove that to be the main weapon available against the ruling party and we won't even try to cooperate with you. Your call.

I don't think the fear mongering will be any more effective than it was in November. I'm betting on America making this work.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just to hammer the point home, what now passes as Political Conservative Wisdom is a tired set of social bonding truisms the desperate and the ignorant use to feel better about themselves. They are gloomy, out of tricks, and out of power.

The rest of us are getting busy being creative about our problems and are not so much worried about telling stories to our friends so we can feel better.

Marxism fearmongers, Jimmy Carter haters and namedroppers, slurring those bisexual latte-drinking liberals, tax terror and self-righteous rhetoric are the products they sell -- not to mention the ultimate -- a claim they represent God the Creator. Puleeeeze.

Honestly guys -- do you realize that America just tolerated your assinine excesses for 8 years while you sat on your hands with your idiot in charge -- and all the while all you had was slurs for your enemies and the rest of us? That's no longer good enough for the rest of us....

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, why would I revise my positions? I was absolutely right in everything I said about Obama before the election. If anything, I understated the level of his radicalism. I mean, I knew he was a hard left radical, but even I couldn't have imagined how bad he'd be. And what the hell is an "untrue emphasis fib?"

And the only fear mongering, as usual, is coming from the left. It just amazes me how blind you are. Even after all that Obama has done, all the lies he's told (or that his telepromter made him tell), you still believe in him and the Democrats. Amazing. But without useful idiots the Democrats would never be elected to anything.

It's funny to see, as the polls turn increasingly against Obama and the Dems, all those Obama voters who are now saying "I didn't vote for this" or "I didn't realize he was this liberal." You want to talk about ignorance. The evidence was there for all the world to see. Now everybody is paying for the stupidity of the Obama voters.

Bobaloo, here are just a few sources:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12459750...

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06262009/pos...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con...

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bobaloo, if you really want to understand the stupidity of this bill, read this article:

http://nrd.nationalreview.com/article/?q...

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said. Look no farther than California if you want to see something assinine.
http://www.thereporter.com/wirenews/ci_1...

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

untrue emphasis fib -- an essentially untrue statement that sounds good in order to make a point. AKA -- empty or misleading rhetoric.

Yours kmbjd that I referred to:

"rammed through before anybody is permitted to read it"

The next in Enema's post:

"You can't argue with these Obmanites"

Rodney's in the article above:

"the last thing struggling Americans need"

Meanwhile T. Boone says the energy legislation so far is on the money and more remains to be done. On cap and trade he has more important considerations but cap and trade is just one portion in an effort to make us energy independent -- a goal he supports readily as long as natural gas is a part of it. If you listen to this man there is none of the bug-eyed cultural butt-kissing -- or the mindless fear-mongering of our own citizens you see in the crowd that loathes government -- he actually is getting things done. There are more important things than cap-n-trade right now, but it or a form of it are coming.

People -- our emerging political majority -- don't respect your bug-eyed anti-Marxist slur-mongering. Add global climate fictions and the rest of the ideologically seamless condemnations and you all look like barber shop nuts preaching to a shrinking crowd.

You should compare the Obama demon with a real Marxist and get an honestly upgrade. I know Marxists and Obama ain't one. But I know you can't see the difference. That is my point. Most of what you repeat are social niceties designed to bond you with like minds. Truth be hanged.

If you think you're still right, fine. My rhetoric is selling better than yours and I will use you as an example. That way, both of us are serving the better good. How's that?

Posted by onarant (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The climate change is still open for debate even in the scientific community, with more people countries and scientist (many more scientist debunk this claim than support it), not buying Al Gore and his kool-aid drinking buddies hypothesis any longer.
Add to this the latest scandel in the EPA where it has been discovered that a cover up of dissenting opinions has been perpetrated.
This is really about the Government gaining more power over us and some politicians and industries set to make a fortune from this legislation by being heavily invested in these industries.
That is what this is really all about! The American people are being fleeced again for profit by the politicians and industry. For some reason GE comes to mind as they have a division set up to estimate and manage carbon footprints for all industries.
If you really believe that this is all about the climate change you better wake up, it's about some politicians and industries getting wealthier.
With so much still unanswered concerning global warming, I would like to see an open & honest debate among scientist, not ideologues, before we proceed further.
Instead of getting taken by the oil companies, it going to the Green Industry handing out the Vaseline if we continue rushing head first into this.

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 28, 2009 at 1 p.m. (Suggest removal)

One wonders why YH doesn't object to the fact that cap and trade is the brainchild of Enron.

Oh well, this global warming thing has sunk to the level of religious belief. And the "science" is based on the assertion that one can determine, over 150 years, the average yearly temperature of 8140000000000000000.0 cubic meters of atmosphere to an accuracy of 1.4 degrees.

I challenge Yh and any other greenie cultists to develop a scientific method for determining the average yearly temperature in their own damn yards to that degree of accuracy. And even if they could do it, it wouldn't mean anything because average temperatures don't exist in nature.

Even NASA can't do it: http://science.nasa.gov/newhome/headline...

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

T Boone? A man that made his fortune off of oil, now he speaks of green fuels. I don't care what any of you say. When business pay more for food, shipping, gas, and taxes it will get passed on to consumers. When that happens they will have to look no farther than Obama policies. Some heads will roll and it will be the politicians that put these policies in place. It won't be cap and trade. It will be, I pulled the cap off of my gas tank and it cost more. Even these tourist leaders around here say high gas prices has hurt our local tourist "industry". I have been in business for over 23 years and anytime goverment raises taxes or makes it harder to do business it ends up on the consumers back, or should I say the voters back. Gas is going up again, lets see what Obama does to make it go back down like he promised when running for office. All this mess is about taxes for the govt. The govt is not in the gas biz but makes more money of it in taxes than the drillers who drill for it do. When you fill up your car you send more money to the govt than you do the gas company that made it. Time will tell. I have pink slips ready, hours ready to be cut, and need be raise prices OR LAY OFF PEOPLE. You think it's bad now, just wait. If you think the govt can run things right just go to the post office BROKE, social security BROKE, welfare medicaid BROKE, vet hospitals BROKE, Natchez govt BROKE, most liberal policy state California BROKE, next most liberal state Mass. (Boston) BROKE. ANYTHING THE GOVT. GETS INVOLVED IN IS BROKE OR IN A MESS. Better have a good cpa, they are worth their weight in gold now. The tax man cometh.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 1:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Truth is -- and Enkik you have aired your cult level of belief that anything as large as a belief Global Warming MUST be a cult -- precious few of us could even understand a scientific discussion of climate change, or for that matter paleontology, the geologic history of the Earth, or evolution theory.

But what can be shown about GW and world economics are the anomalies, the reasonable expectations and a whopping list of reasons to get off of fossil fuels and onto something more sustainable.

The folks who do it will be the heroes of the future, the ones who constantly nay say the problem will be the jokes of history.

But as far as here on the boards we each have our specialty messages and our special slants.

Enkik feels that government is illegitimate and will tax us to death -- and to every one of life's great misappropriations there is a cult and it's following to blame. AND That most of the things to be taxed for are not reasonably supplied by government.

I am sure of the fact that Republicans are the biggest threat to the Earth right now and still are dumb enough to try to get things the way they have for the last 20 years. I am more amazed at their tactics than I am at the truth of anything they postulate as fact.

And kbjd pretty much accepts rhetoric that is exactly like the Republicans have fed us for the years now.

So we're all prejudiced. And we will all experience the next 7 1/2 years under Obama in all likelihood. I'll just bet we see more and smarter change than we did the last 8 years. And that is all I would ask for.

Posted by DuncanPark (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Rodney Alexander is full of hot air...or somthing much more pungent.

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 28, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You talk like a cultist Yh. Your speech on here routinely includes a number of diverse logical fallacies, you attempt to persuade people to your point of view through these fallacies.

Here are positions you've come out in favor of:

Women's liberation.
Gay liberation.
Black liberation.

Here are the basic positions of each of these movments regarding gender:

Women's liberation: women have a different value system than men, an ethics of care while men have an ethics of justice. Ethics of care is superior to ethics of justice because it is based on care. (See Sonia Sotomayor) Women are intrinsically different than men, and better.

Gay liberation: Gender roles are entirely based in cultural expectations. There is no intrinsic difference in men and women except that placed on them by (oppressive white male) culture.

Black liberation: Say what?! Gender don't have nothin to do with it!

Where these various movements join together, along with environmental studies, is in the idea that all the world's ills are created by a mythical objective reality created through the language of white male devils, and that includes the language of individual rights arising from the Enlightenment; this language is really a tool to perpetuate white male power by forcing subaltern groups to compete for resources on terms defined by white males.

The idiocy of this position is seen in the admirable success rates of Jews and Asians in academia, law, science, and business, and the arts.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow, what can I say Enkik?

You managed to paint me into a cult, validate 3 movements -- with some pretty lame generalizations I might add -- for empowering "non-white male" people, then invalidate them through a view that to help stimulate their small-self awareness is a tool of the devil that suppress them. Catchy!

My take is those things are just a process whereby people learn what is important to their happiness and productivity and in the process bend the planet their way a tiny bit. Ultimately those folks who can bend themselves gracefully do so as their primary way to success. But it sounds like you still have too much attraction to divination of cults as villain. Maybe you still have some cult on your glasses?

You know, I once knew a very wise man that said when you tend to see divergence of phenomena all around you your threats make you neurotic. But when you tend to see unified forces and conspiracies all around you it makes you psychotic.

Personally as a cult of admiration, I don't hold Democrats very high -- I just hold Republicans of the present crop as very low -- and Democrats as the like-it-or-not next chance for an increment of progress.

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 5:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, you must be delirious. You stated that I "pretty much" accept "rhetoric that is exactly like the Republicans have fed us for years now." The reality is, I once again presented a fact based argument supporting my viewpoint. The only thing you've done, which is the only thing you ever do, is go off on incoherent rants that present no facts whatsoever. But you're not alone. Most liberal's seem to be infected with that particular virus. The reason is, their beliefs can't stand up to scrutiny. Liberal's never debate issues, they simply try to scream the other side down and destroy opponents on a personal level. This is the only tack they can take because of the weakness of their arguments. You fit the mold perfectly.

Posted by onarant (anonymous) on June 28, 2009 at 7:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

kmbjd40, you are correct about the liberals. None of the global warming alarmist have chosen to participate in open debate on the subject. Even Al "Bela Lugosi" Gore refused to debate the subject in open forum with scientist who have a different veiwpoint. They want to espouse their claims without any opposing view points and expect everyone to accept it as fact.
The fact is, there is still not enough evidence to support the claims.
This is a lucrative moneymaker for those (mostly politicians) that are heavily vested in pushing us over the edge. Take a close look at GE and you will see the nonsense that is being perpetrated on the people. Also check into where certain politicians and proponents have been investing heavily.
While I agree that we need to find alternatives and ween ourselves off of foreign dependencies, let's do it after we know all the facts.
Now is not the time to make a bad situation worse, which is exactly what Washington is doing. But I guess that when it blows up in their face, they can just blame it on Bush!

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 29, 2009 at 1:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What I've pointed out to you Yh, is that the viewpoint you express and support is inherently racist, sexist, and divisive.

I haven't generalized those positions on gender, that comes straight from the literature of critical legal studies; the purpose of critical legal studies is to overthrow the existing legal system through attacking the system with such nonsense as there is no objective reality, there is no such thing as legal neutrality nor should there be, that merit does not exist except as a tool to oppress women, gays, minorities, and people who care about the environment.

If you knew a little more, and cared to read, you would realize how right on target those who call Obama a Marxist are. Obama supports the above views and the above views are the evil spawn of the cultural Marxism that fled Germany during WW II and ensconced itself at Princeton, Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Berkley, and other institutions; now, unfortunately this polymorphus perversity has invaded nearly every educational institution in the country. You have wholeheartedly adopted these viewpoints as your own and you don't even know their history. You are what is called a pawn.

Another thing, about your "superior rhetoric". Rhetoric is a type of speech that attempts to persuade without the use of logic, purely through emotional appeal. I understand you passionately hate Republicans, that is your personal expression of "liberal tolerance". It sure does make you sound silly though.

Posted by thetinman (Keith Reynolds) on June 29, 2009 at 7:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just remember, JESUS is coming soon!!! The BIBLE talks about the later days, "People will believe a lie then the truth". I can see this is the truth!!!

As a conservative Republican, I can honestly say, a lot of reconciliation that needs to be done by our leaders as a whole to there constituent and to the nation they are affirmed or sworn to protect. When this current administration along with his cronies in the Sennett and Congress policies get to be 1/4 full blown, many will see!! I am already seeing people wishing they could take there vote back.

THE WRITING WAS ON THE WALL the whole time my friends. I look to the sky and rejoice, for the SON of MAN draweth near.

Get right or get left. GOD is in control

Posted by unclered (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

tinman: Get a life. Jesus ain't doing anything. He ain't coming back because he never existed to begin with.

Posted by beammeupscotty (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, let's say climate change is false. Those of us still above ground breathe air and drink water, both of which continue to become more polluted. Cleaner energy and less consumption will help to keep both air and water useable. Now on to the religious freaks, God helps them that help themselves. He isn't coming until there is nothing left. So you fools that think you are going to be setting at his right hand might just want to prolong your judgement day. I got a feeling most of you are wrong. At least I'll admitt the furnace of creamation will help me to aclimate to my new surroundings.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Tea parties on the 4th of July in Baton Rouge, Vicksburg,Alexander,Monroe, Jackson and many many more cities for you to choose from. Go if you care!

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

unclered. I hope I'm not standing next to you when the time comes. I might accidently get sucked up with you and be sent to hell! Enkikur ,you really are a pretty smart fellow,whether I agree with you or not.I enjoy reading you.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 10:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for the links kmbjd40.

I was mainly inquiring about your comments of devastation of the economy by green industries.

Did not see it backed up by anything other than the one study by the pissed off educator in Spain.

Not gonna get in the Global Warming argument.

Anything, true or false, that makes us a whole society pay more attention to being better stewards of the earth than we have been to date is good. Even if it's spending tons of money and time to disprove it. It's all good attention to a needed area. If folks wanna keep trashing the earth, all one can do is try to make a difference in their own lives and world. Or not, keep on, the tale will be told, and Jesus is not gonna be the one telling it.

Mankind has not been kind to Mother Earth.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

km40, you are right on the mark about the dems not giving enough time for these bills to be read. It's been their stategy with this administration. I'd say it's working for them. We better not let the reps snooze on this one.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

a brief reply to your pearl of wisdom , Marty.

"What I've pointed out to you Yh, is that the viewpoint you express and support is inherently racist, sexist, and divisive."

Divisive maybe -- especially to those who think the status quo deserves a free ride -- or blind support. It does amaze me how many people think that the status quo deserves a free ride -- an almost patriotic dedication. My impression is it deserves no welfare support or special considerations from anyone -- it can fend for itself. It is not even a person, and is as dynamic as we wish it to be.

Racist and sexist?- I am more of an evolutionist than I am anything. Blacks, women and gays -- the groups you cite me as supporting in your claims that I am racist in my positions -- they can be like separate animals within a herd. I can cheer them on for character building and to encourage them toward whatever they can forge for themselves -- and you can attempt to silence them -- or ignore them -- in your homage to economic determiners and hands-off government. Truth is, when they want to be productive in any way that is their choice and at that time race nor orientation will hold them back.

You seem overwhelmingly, despite your considerable intellect, to always come down to supporting the economic status quo with as little meddling as possible, as if that were holy and sacred. You accuse those who would not do your bidding in that as wrong or evil. To flesh that out -- and to belittle in behalf of an economic status quo, you accuse others who encourage new growth in others as cultists. But in all my readings on this board you alone seem preoccupied with the label of cultist as a means to invalidate.

You act like you have a history of unwise philosophical allegience and have scared yourself with past behavior. Perhaps you are so predisposed to the allure of cults that you accuse all opposers of being so motivated. Something besides your intellect causes you to crawl so far out on that limb to label and accuse.

Me, I actually keep it simple. I am personally economically conservative, liberal socially. I propose that the going-to-hell-in-a-handbasket desperation and fear mongering some people spew is a fiction of their own contrivance as they desperately pay homage to the status quo for all their special reasons.

Actually my only message to anyone is that what masquerades as pious and good is often not that at all -- especially that body of lore -- not at all completely bad -- we call being a Conservative. I do that to protect the country, and to stimulate thought.

If you want to call people who care about racial matters racist, then what can I say? That is also the position of white supremacists I have known, and carries no special usefulness to most of us.

Posted by beammeupscotty (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuh, Most people have to pay a fortune teller to get that much advice.

Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 12:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Seems like the Far Left Field Owhampy tribe has spoken again! "Utter Nonsense" again and everyone knows it! Even they know it and there ignorant to not recognize it! Their so-called Muslim is destroying the Federal Government and Capitalism! Just look at the "Stupid" bill that the DemocRATS just passed with the Waxman-Markey Energy Bill last Friday! CALL your U. S. Senators and tell them to vote against it! If it fails in the Senate, Owhampy has lost has lost another one before our form of government has failed! By the way, Conservatives has a good ruling by the U. S. Supreme today with the "Firefighters" in New Haven, Connecticut!

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That was a surprise, wasn't it,rushinjr. A pleasent one at that. Fair play for a change.

Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes it was! Need plenty more?

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 1:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, you are "economically conservative?" And you voted for Obama? And you continue to support Obama even now? You're either very confused or pathologically ignorant.

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 29, 2009 at 1:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yh, in response let me point you to a statement by one of your fellows, Bobaloo: "Anything, true or false, that makes us a whole society pay more attention to being better stewards of the earth than we have been to date is good."

So, how come Bobaloo doesn't support the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan? Destruction of 800,000 to 1.4 million people is very green- just look at the lowered carbon footprint of that operation, not just in terms of current lives lost, but future births prevented. It's straight from Malthus' famous essay. Would Bobaloo support involuntary euthanasia? Figure X of the UN publication linked below identifies both Iraq and Afghanistan to be areas where "major" population decline is desired, as is most of Africa.

The real driving motivation behind this environmental agenda is not clean air and water, it is global depopulation. The present form of the environmental movement was born at the same time, late 1960's, as the population scare was beginning to be promoted in the book "The Population Bomb". Shortly thereafter convened the first UN Population Council meeting that led to global policies that have eliminated at least 3 billion people since that time. Simultaneously with the birth of this movement legalized abortion became accepted across the world- this was necessary to replace the former most powerful tool of Planned Parenthood, forced sterilization. Genocide became a right instead of a wrong.

You can't be an economic conservative and a social liberal because the policies of social liberals require deficit spending which is a decidedly unconservative stance; it's not possible, in spite of current myths, to mix philosophies in that manner because they are exclusive.

Here are 34 pages of evidence for my statements about environmental agenda detailing global population policies. This is not the entirety of the evidence I could present, and if you care to read I also suggest you read the original UN population plan from 1974, National Security Memorandum 200, the Club of Rome reports from 1968 until now, and don't forget Malthus essay on The Principle of Population, which is the historical beginning of this whole charade: http://www.un.org/esa/population/publica...

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 29, 2009 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And let's talk about that status quo Yh. Who was it who created the great institutions of religion, culture, government, and industry that built the wealth the subalterns now lay entitlement claims to?

There is no status quo, there never has been, human interaction has always been fluid and progressive in every one of those institutions I mention above. This status quo idea comes from the same cultural Marxism the rest of the new language comes from, an attempt to redefine history and culture through language instead of action.

It was action, not lanaguage that built this nation and made it wealthy enough to indulge these selfish interest groups who ever clamor for more, who have no gratitude and only claim that what has been so freely shared with them is never enough.

Liberia and Somalia are two countries deperately in need of the wise intervention the takers in America claim to possess knowledge of. How is is that there has been no movement of liberal professors, lawyers, businessmen and artists to those countries? They are ripe for total command and control economies that would uplift the people. Can it be that these proponents of social justice have no damned idea of how to create wealth, but only how to take it? That's what the record shows.

The record also shows that over the last 40 years aid to those countries has consisted primarily of depopulation programs, and these programs have been run by the very cultural Marxists who are takers in this country- consistency at least is their forte, takers here and takers there.

Posted by beammeupscotty (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny statement about America and creating wealth.

Posted by EnKiKur (Marty Ellerbe) on June 29, 2009 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

How is that funny scotty? The freedom to pursue economic security is what drew the masses to America.

What has destroyed the capacity of Americans to make wealth are the liberal policies of creating money through debt instead of the common sense of creating money through asset.

America has lost no real wealth through this financial crisis. It's a financial crisis, not a wealth crisis. All the various material things we see around us have already been paid for with the labor, mental and physical, of the people who created them. The crisis is in the debt forced on the people who are forced to use debt as a medium of exchange instead of using commodity as a medium of exchange. The financial crisis, the crisis in debt, was brought on by government insistence that people who had not earned houses be given them, and that banks were allowed, encouraged, to loan money at a multiple of their liabilities.

And a primary reason so many people could not afford houses was the system of debt money that has been built up that destroys earning capacity through high prices, high taxes, high inflation, and low wages and lost employment opportunity.

Visit any WalMart around the first of the month and estimate the weight of the checkout lines. There you will see stored wealth held even by the poor, in the knit covered expanses buttocks and bellies straining against the confines of garments assembled by the true working poor in India, China, and Indonesia who live in crowded dormitories often with no running water, and who sometimes sleep on factory floors. All that cottage cheese represents captial earned by other people and redistributed on the frames of the downtrodden.

Posted by beammeupscotty (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 3:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The wealth was created on paper,it never existed. The wealth you mention came from the bad loans, over priced homes and greedy people. America lost her steel mills,textile factories and manufactoring base decades ago. The automotive industry is next in line. Not even sure how to define wealth because it only exists between the wealthy. They trade among themselves, things of little to no value hopeing to sucker in investors so they can steal what little they have.

Posted by beammeupscotty (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

In less than 30 years the stock market went from 2,000 to over 12,000. Show me the brick and mortar because all I see is paper.

Posted by marinefrmntz (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with Yh, all there is from conservatives is "fear mongering" and "war-mongeing". They know we can't afford to go to another war, but then worry about Iran or N. Korea. Seems as if they want Obama to be pre-emptive just as Bush was. They wan't Obama to be pushed into a war that will cripple this country economically and in the world. This is the plan of the Republican party. And of course the capitalist are aligned with the republican party, captialist are greedy. Those who define Obama as a Marxist or whatever don't know the first bit about anything, and couldn't point a "Marxist" out of 10 Marxist in a lineup.

Posted by crackbaby (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 4:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

T Boone is in line to make BILLIONS from this global warming scheme! Even some of Al Gores most quoted scientist have admitted its bad science.

Posted by marinefrmntz (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 4:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Greed is what destroyed our financial system. The banks werent forced into taking anyones money. They wanted to take that extra income and gain profit. They are the ones who entered high risk loans Enki!! Dont blame the govt for lack of accountability and responsiblity that the individual banks showed. Only thing that made America the wealthiest nation on the planet is slave labor. There were countries far more established in Europe and Asia before Columbus discovered America. America exploded economically because of slave labor. Now that our civilization is becoming more advanced and in search of new technoligies and energies that will improve our condition in the world and at home. We have to make a switch to new resources of the future. That is what America has been about, innovation. We have always been on the forefront of new things and ideas. Coal and fossil fuels are a things of the past. Im sure the people who made horse carriages became jealous of the automible industry as well. Old jobs have to fade so new ones that will secure our place in the future be created.

Posted by crackbaby (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WOW I didn't realize that! Thanks for clearing everything up for us "marine". What a great country it is. Now descendants of slaves can sign MILLION dollar contracts by the thousands. You won't find that it many places. GOD BLESS THE USA! We have truly moved forward!

Posted by kmbjd40 (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 7:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"America exploded economically because of slave labor?" Wow marinefrmntz, your knowledge of history ranks right up there with Obama's. I thought America's economic prowess had more to do with the industrial revolution and our free market system (which Obama is doing everything in his power to destroy).

And "fossil fuels are a thing of the past." I hate to tell you, but we have an oil based economy. The very idea that that is going to change any time soon is laughable at best. Nor should it change. Fossil fuels are relatively inexpensive (especially compared with "green" energy) and plentiful (despite the lies that the left continue to propagate to all you Kool Aid drinkers that we're nearly out of oil). This renewable energy push is an economically unfeasible pipe dream. Either Obama is too dumb to see that or is so ideologically blinded that he can't accept reality.

Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 29, 2009 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Keep the subject "wondering" kmbjd! the subject is still Bum-Fizzled!

Posted by marinefrmntz (anonymous) on June 30, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow I see your knowledge of history only includes a certain time in our nations history and not the complete saga. Of course people like you would forget that our Nation was the wealthiest nation on Earth, because of slave labor. That is a recognition that would be hard for someone like you to admit. Please your party insist on buying/using oil that comes from middle eastern countries that fund the same terrorist that me and my comrades have been fighting since 2001. So on the contrary you are too dumb to see that it would benefit our country more to become energy independent (like Australia has been for years). Yes, fossil fuel are things of the past, and thats why we all voted for change in the election. A break from the past to secure Americas. Face it, the United States has become a democratic country. Republicans have had their last hoorah. Our oil based economy is going to/ and in need of change that is part of the plan and the reason an overwhelming majority voted for Barack Obama. How much intelligence have you gained.. any idiot can point out fossil fuels as being inexpensive and the only reason they are is because that what we have been using for years, of course the price will be inexpensive if they are produced everywhere. You are using a basic CD vs Cassette theroy. Yeah look when everything new hits the market.. its always going to be expensive until production increases that drives down the prices. Once something is readily available like green energy the price will dwinlde and in the "long term" (maybe you cant think that far because of you short life expectancy) it will save citizens millions, the US billions. Thats what this is about the long term not the short term. Maybe you are outraged that you wont live long enought to see the impact of Obama's plans but rest assured our future generations will thank us from moving from fossil fuels to green energy. Why not find alternate sources of energy? You all are so stuck in the past that you dont think about the future of our country. That is shown in all the restrictions and prohibitions that you all have in your small town. You have been left behind in all asepcts of society. No one wants to move to Natchez, and you cannot keep the talent that has been bred in Natchez in Natchez.

Posted by crackbaby (anonymous) on June 30, 2009 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

California and New York celebrate their Democrat Liberalism. Now there's two great roll models for the rest of the nation.High Taxes, Crime, Welfare, Animal Rights Police, High Prices! The rest of the nation really needs that kind of success? NOT!