Posted by erohed (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again, WE NEED REAL DOCTORS! Anyone remember the hiker that cut his own arm off, just to free himself within a deep crevice? Well, if you haven't, you know now. That's real doctoring!

Posted by seeemeeego (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)

There are two sides to every story, and this is only one side - and from someone who had been in a bar nonetheless. We shall see.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 1:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

AWESOME!!!! Happy Memorial Day everyone.

Posted by gunther57 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 3:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe if the police dept had tasers this might have not gotten so violent. the report said that even after being sprayed it didnt stop the brothers. i say spray them taser them and book them. they got what they had coming to them.

Posted by ProNatchez (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 5:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like the brothers were in a fighting mood and got what they wanted. If you punch a cop, you can expect the cops to respond with force.

Good job NPD!

Posted by uneekofficerbrod (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 5:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

officers have THE RIGHT to stay one-step above the offenders to protect themselves AND THE GENRAL PUBLIC.
REMEMBERS GUYS: THIS WAS A BAR SCENE **ALCOHOL MORE THAN LIKELY THE GREATEST FACTOR OF BAD JUDGEMENT**
put yourself in the officers shoes and try wearing them, making split decisions that could alter your life and be a factor in weather you go home safely to your family...
be more considerate of others before making a bad call...
we are here to protect and serve.

I really hope the injured parties have speedy recoveries and learn a valuable lesson.

Posted by musicman02 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ND please do not disable comments on this one. From what the story read, the officer was attempting to make an arrest and Mr. Ellard resisted and attacked the officer,right then his brother jumped in and started fighting the officer. OK so how was that brutality in defending his life. just thought I would ask.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ProNatchez, I think you have it right on this one

I'm sorry those brothers got roughed up, but you can't expect to punch a cop and NOT pay for it........

brawling at Dimples, nice way to spend a Sat night, NOT! Last two times in a row I was there (over two years ago now) I've come very close to getting in a fight myself, over a place to sit nonetheless, we had been sitting at a table, got up to dance, looked back and some dudes were trying to take our table, ........

ever since Ronny Cox left Dimples it seems that things have gotten out of control

ole hawkeye Ronny stayed on top of things while he was there

Posted by ProNatchez (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

They are claiming the brutality took place at an "undisclosed location" somewhere between Dimples and the police station. Tell me where one would find such a private place to pull over a few cop cars and beat the suspects without witnesses? And it was supposedly within 30 seconds of the jail. Yeah, right.

I hope the brothers heal up and learn from this, too. I don't wish bad for them. However, you just don't start a fight with a cop and expect to win. It doesn't work that way. ;-)

Posted by treeclimber (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wonder what time this happened? I agree with everybody's post on here. What gave that boy (and I say boy because he is certainly not a man) the right to punch an officer while being handcuffed? I hope everyone heals, too, but how stupid to contact the FBI. Those boys better hope their background is squeaky clean.

Posted by treeclimber (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A lot of the people between 18 and 28 believe that rules do not apply to them and that no one has the right to tell them what to do. In my job, I have been called every name there is because I told someone in that age group they had to follow the rules.

Posted by treeclimber (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

A lot of the people between 18 and 28 believe that rules do not apply to them and that no one has the right to tell them what to do. In my job, I have been called every name there is because I told someone in that age group they could not do something.

Posted by veroniss (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

THE POLICE WAS RIGHT AND THE BRAWLERS WERE WRONG.I USED TO GO TO BARS I KNOW HOW PEOPLE ACT..LOLTHE FAMILY NEEDS TO GET OVER IT.THEY SHOULD OF BEEN HOME WHERE THEY BELONG.JESUS IS COMING SOON GET READY.I WOULD OF TASED THEM TOO.

Posted by gottabehappy (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Time for Dimples to close. Brings out the worst in its patrons.

Posted by natchezGT (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I smell an expensive lawsuit the city will have to pay for. Oops. Now the taxpayers will have to take out another loan just to pay for its legal bills — one million dollars this time?

Posted by natchezGT (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Its the alcohol not the establishment. (Just like its the shooter not the gun). Bad drinkers will just move to the next bar up the street.

Posted by uneekofficerbrod (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

wow, really great comments people!!!
FBI:i hope you have the right to these post...

job well done readers...

Posted by gottabehappy (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez Police Officers do not carry Tasers.

Lee’s report said he first used the Taser on Daniel, then was charged by Jason, who was also tased.

According to Lee’s report Jason remained combative and was tased a second time.

HELP ME HERE, they do or they do not have tasers?

Posted by asandbb22 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:36 a.m. (Suggest removal)

(kshollywood) what does the NAACP and black people have to do with this incident? Its funny you should say that considering at least one of these officers were black and probably more. Maybe you should keep your comments to yourself to avoid sounding ignorant. . .

Posted by cherron (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It could have been prevented, Prater walked to the corner of the steet looking for this to happen. They were trying to leave the scene.

Posted by alphamale (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

DANNY"S

Posted by Torch (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Lee is a Deputy Sheriff and they carry tasers. Great job guys, I have seen these idiots that come out of these bars with no respect for anyone. I wish I could have been there. Also, what is with the real Drs. comments. People take it for granted that we have some great Drs. here. We are a rural town in Mississippi and are lucky to have Drs. at all. Our facilities are not setup to handle extreme cases and they keep these patients here and something happens they get suied for not sending them to Jackson. Give the Drs. a break erohed. Next time that you have an emergency or need a Dr., just stay home and take care of yourself since you can do it so much better!

Posted by AwesomeWoman (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Cherron, the police officer was just doing his job, when a couple of dranken, red neck thuggs came along and started some mess!! Shame you people who think only black young men are thuggs!!

Posted by treeclimber (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Three drunks looking for a brawl are trouble. Law enforcement has to do what is has to in order to protect the people and themselves. I hope the lawyers stay home on this one and refuse to file a lawsuit.

Posted by momof1 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If you attach a police officer, then you deserve to be sprayed and tased. The supposed "brutality" sounds fishy. Maybe these guys are trying to get out of the trouble they know they are in by coming up with this story to get the focus off of them. Bottom line is this...if you are in a bar, you may as well be looking for trouble because it will find you.

Posted by kpage1 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't tase me bro!

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Of course police need to defend themselves and it appears these brawlers are certainly guilty of pushing it.

But if the car did stop short of the station to beat anyone every cop involved in the stop and any that did not immediately put it in their report should be held accountable.

A lot of people are so stupid that in parsing right and wrong they end up sounding like fools -- laying blame to one and then excusing the other guy for excesses. Brutality is not excusable because a policeman was attacked or goaded into a fight. As a general rule, policemen who would misuse a taser or their fists out of emotional reaction need to see jail or should work in the private sector. Hard as it is a cop needs to check his emotions at the door when he picks up the badge.

Of course most charges of police brutality do not turn out to look like that under careful examination. Chief Mullins is doing good to examine the incident. Let's see.

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with ProNatchez. One of the brothers attacked the police first. What do you expect to happen? In most cases like this, you get what you ask for. I don't see any brutality in this at all, but I do smell a lawsuit pending.

How do we even know these people were black? (Assandbb22), this is the usual from Kshollywood.

Posted by momof1 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Assuming that these guys are white, no national assocatiation is going to come to their defense because based on the facts stated here, they are guilty and should be punished accordingly. That's the way it is supposed to work.

IF, and I repeat IF, they were brutally beaten at an undisclosed location, then I hope the Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton and the NAACP would step in and fight for them and vindication of the crimes committed against them no matter what color they are. But as we all know, that won't happen (if they are white) BECAUSE of their race.

But either way, I don't care what color they are...they are in the wrong. Period.

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You all have a serious "chip" on your shoulders to even turn this into a race issue. Everybody on here don't see things the way you do.

Posted by lsutigerfan (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Just to end speculation- The brothers are white and the cop was black. Not really sure how the NAACP, Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton would fit in unless they are coming to protect the cop. And I agree that the cops were right in what they did. I'm not so sure that I believe they made a stop, but if they did, the guy put himself in that predicament when he put his hands on the cop.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with yeahuhuh on this one.

I also wish Adam Koob knew the difference between conscience and conscious.

Posted by graybear (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Do you think it possible that the police was in the wrong ? Sounds to me like the cop just picked the first one handy and wanted to slap the cuffs on them . Then the guys did not "respect his authority" and it went downhill from there . If you think the cops won't beat the hell out of someone that resists their rule , think again !

Posted by brock (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Attacking a police officer ! These guys are lucky they were'nt killed . This officer could have easily used deadly force and he would have had every right . Nowhere but Natchez . Jump a police officer in Dallas or Houston and see if you live to tell about it .

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You are right, Graybear. I just reread it.

Posted by momof1 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I was just making a comment based on ideas that were thrown out by others regarding the NAACP. We all know that if the roles were reversed, this would be a completely different story. My whole point was that since these guys are white, nobody will try to come rescue them if they broke the law because we all seem to agree that they should pay the price for their actions. But if their rights were violated and they were beaten as claimed, then I would hope that they would receive the same assistance as others have in the past (i.e. Al Sharpton, etc.) Maybe the NAAWP will come to their rescue.

But again, I repeat that they should be punished accordingly, no matter what color they are.

Posted by Natchezbear (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dimples has always been a problem and so was the Pearl Street Cellar. These places are where the "Get Drunk, Tear up Natchez on a Saturday night people " like to go! These guys and gals like to drink , brawl and raise hell. I have lived near these two places for many years.I commend the NPD on controlling it as well as they can. Doc's can get that way on occasions too. There needs to be constant police on the scene on Fridays and Saturdays. Open container, Public urination, Vomiting on the side walks, Littering Beer Bottles, Brawling in and in front of these bars,and worse of all Drunk Driving to and from the area. This is a problem that has been tolerated for a long time. I'm Glad Dannys is not on main street or it would be allowed to stay open as are these bars. I don't want the bars to close, but the owners should be made to control their customers or lose their liquor license. There are people who live downtown and Hotels and B&Bs that do not benefit from the late night charades of these hooligans.I hope these boys heal from their wounds ,but I also hope they learn how to conduct themselves while out on the town in Natchez!

Posted by jimi (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Way to go Natchez people...most of you seem to see the light here.

Boys, what were you thinking? If you resist arrest or punch a policeman you're asking for a butt whipping. Did you think you could beat up a cop and get away? Nope, weren't thinking at all were you? Well, think about this..can you imagine the bravery it takes to do thier job? Try chasing an armed felon through the streets around W. Steir Lane...and for what they are paid!! I'm glad that is someone else's job.

NPD, you guys are doing a great job. Keep it up. And THANK YOU!

Democrat--do you guys not have spell check on your computer? I can understand and empathise with someone who spells "firm" as "ferm", but you guys are professional journalists...

“He was conscience and walking when he was brought to the jail,” Mullins said.

I do believe "conscious" was the word your reporter was looking for...or maybe he did think the brother was experiencing the awareness of a moral or ethical aspect to one's conduct together with the urge to prefer right over wrong as he was being led into the jail....

But then what do I know??

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok know it all's. Let's just say for the sake of discussion that these 2 men did put their hands on police officers FINE but I do believe Officers are supposed to sudbue NOT beat up!?!?! Tasers and pepper spray and handcuffs are sufficient NO? But also let's also say for the sake of discussion these 2 men were trying to leave the scene after a fight broke out in Dimples, which they WERE NOT INVOLVED in and 1 of the men were waiting for the rest of their party and police were just harrassing. Oh wait I know let the 1 man leave his brothers standing their with NO way home right? Let's also say for the sake of discussion that the 2nd gentleman arrived, unaware of the goings on with his brother and attempted to alert police that he was here and they were leaving but police were already focused on "arresting someone". WOW that couldn't ever happen could it? I've heard this isn't the FIRST allegation in this city and most have been "buried". Let me say again, for discussions sake, that the hospitalized man IS a hard working, family man who has NEVER been in trouble with the law and is a peaceful gentle person who spends almost ALL of his days working and would give the shirt off his back to anyone who needed it and give his last $5 to help a person out and was just out having a good time with family, something he NEVER gets the chance to do because he is ALWAYS working. How about that scenerio? Might be impossible to imagine for some but let's just wait and see. It will all come out in the wash. This incident won't be hidden like I've heard has happened in the past. So convenient to blame an establishment or alcohol. People aren't allowed to have a few drinks to have a good time or their labeled drunk rednecks who got what they had coming? Can't possibly label 1 or 2 officers as boundary crossing, power abusing mongers??

Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

No need to explain yourself, Momof1. I didn't mean any harm.

Various comments are making me reread this story. It's hard to tell if we have a case or not. The only people who would really know are the ones invloved and perhaps a few witnesses.

Posted by lsutigerfan (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ok Cncrnd1977,
Let's say for "discussion's sake" that these guys were all standing on the corner for a while after the bar cleared out being loud? The officer walks up and asks them to leave, which is not an out of the way request. The guy gets beligerant, so the officer attempted to arrest him, and the officer gets jumped on by more than one party and they are beating him pretty badly. The officer is yelling for help very loudly and when the cops realize what's going on and come to the rescue they try everything they can to get these guys to stop beating the officer who was just doing his job. They use pepper spray, that doesn't work.. they tase the guys once, that doesn't work.. They have to tase the guy a 2nd time to have any result at all. That says nothing to you about how violent this guy is? That says nothing to you about how much danger this officer was in, not to mention any civilian who gets caught up in this mess?

And as for the people blaming an establishment, I'm pretty sure that its the alcohol that causes the people to act this way. You want us to go back to prohibition? That's been tried already and it didn't exactly work out. You can't blame a place for people who act like fools. Why is it that we can never blame THE PERSON for their actions? We have to place the blame on anyone else that we can possibly find to fault.

Posted by sandman (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)

hey Cncrnd1977, i don't know too many hard working family men that stay out till 430 in the morning, getting drunk as road lizards. and i believe the shirt off his back got ripped off as he was attacking the police. there is no reason for a bar to be open after 2am. people just tend to get drunker and braver and this is the end result. I applaud the police and this thug will think twice before putting his hands on somebody else.

Posted by fraidoclowns (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Jimi,

Spell check wouldn't have picked up on "conscience" because the word was not misspelled. Even with spell check, you still have to understand the difference between conscience and conscious.

So maybe the reporter just typed it in by accident. I know how it is when you're in a hurry. But the proofreader surely should have caught it. Unless they no longer hire proofreaders, assuming that spell check will do it for them.

Posted by 1redneck (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It could have easily turned into a shooting had it been a female officer that was jumped like this . Dude ! pay the fine and get over your hurt pride . Had no business resisting arrest anyway . Do you really think you can beat up a police officer and they do nothing about it . Get real ! Pay the fine . There is no case .

Posted by pride (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Two thugs decide to get violent with a police officer . None of the officers involved in this crazy incident at "Dimples at the O.K. Corral " were wrong . There are some real thugs that hang out at that joint . Like a previous poster said , not all thugs are black . Good job to all the officers involved !

Posted by vilou09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Momof1, you don't have to defend of explain yourself. It's ridiculous how some people can misconstrue the most broad of comments. You were right to say what you had to say, and you shouldn't have been jumped on for what you said.
These brothers obviously weren't raised in the most "normal" of households. They're mama apparently didn't raise them til they were ripe, because they're acting pretty bitter right now. and they more than deserved to be punished to the full extent of the law.
But the "racial" and NAACP thing... seriously. How often do we hear the headline "Whites rally around police brutality case"... Uhh- NEVER! The only time we hear about police "roughing someone up" is when they're black! Now, I understand that sometimes that does truly happen, but personally... if I were a cop and I tried to arrest someone for criminal behavior and they tried to backtalk or resist me.. no matter what color they were, they'd be DOWN. And of course, like some people said on here, We'd have all the african american rights protectors down here running around in our streets like it was mardi gras.
Put a white man in that same situation, and you don't hear squat. Now I'm not placing this case within the category of "police brutality" but if it were tired and pursued by investigators, you surely wouldn't see a "White people rally" outside the courthouse... because THAT would be racist.

Ahh.. okay I get on here and sometimes rant. Sorry guys I'm THROUGH.

Posted by harjedalen (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like the police did their duty, except for the beatdown at an unknown location. The officers may have crossed the line and I hope that is investigated. We should be objective and insist the police do their job, and do it professionally.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well it is about time the NPD is recognized for their indecent behavior. Instead of being where they SHOULD be (in the bad parts of town) arresting crack dealers, they come around Dimples and wait for people to look at them the wrong way.

Dimples is not a safe place to be... period. The tension coming from there can be felt down the street (and so can the grime). People should know what they are getting into when entering that place. But the NPD has always sat outside that area and waited for someone to walk outside with a cup in their hand. Yuck! Glad I am not a part of any of that anymore. Natchez is becoming more and more corrupt. Pretty soon, it will be the next Harlem.

Posted by digem (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Dimples is a joke....all it is, is a big ho house.What happened to that bouncer that killed someone at doc's? He should be in jail!!! natchez bars are nothing but trouble,when i lived in natchez,we went out of town to party,if you want a respectable place to go,leave natchez.Dimples, doc's and andrews are all a joke!! Bet you didn't know that when cops off duty go out drinking they drink for 1/2 price,who drives them home?????

Posted by pollym44 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is this the same bar where the Brittish man was injured and died days later? Never heard another word about that one!! Think the NPD and SO handled this well. Alcohol increases the testosterone level and de-creases common sense. In Seaside, Cali, when pepper spray and tasers don't work, bullets do. They are lucky it did not have a different ending.

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 27, 2009 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Hmm.. u must not go out anymore obamayamama.. The cops sit in front of DOC BIG LOVES every thursday, friday, and saturday night the entire time they are open. When everyone leaves there, very rarely do they sit outside of Dimples. And whenever we do call them, it sometimes takes them forever to get down there, just depends on who is on duty. I think its great when they sit out on the street looking for people breaking the law. People are complaining about litter, etc. well, by enforcing the open container law, they are cutting down the litter. Just their presence is a deterrant to people acting idiots. And they can stop a potential deadly accident by stopping people from getting behind the wheel when they have had too much to drink. If you don't want them messing with you, don't break the law.

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 27, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pollym44--
Go to this link. It will answer your question.

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2009...

Posted by happyreader (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bottom line... if you hit a cop, it's on. Don't whine that the police officer didn't send you to your momma for a time-out. What stupid, stupid, stupid choices made by drunks.

Posted by momof1 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What's really sad is that these guys may be normal everyday people that don't usually get into trouble. But look what a night of partying got them. This is the perfect example of why NOT to go out drinking and partying. Too many times, people end up in situations like this or worse.

I've been down this road, but thank God, my eyes were opened and I realized that road leads to a dead end. Believe me when I say there is more to life than the next party and hangover. I just hope and pray that all parties involved will learn from this. Unfortunately, that's probably not the case.

Posted by NTZglasshouses (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

firered, they sit in front of Bigscums until they close because no one walks in the the skank pit that is Dimples until after everything else closes. The rednecks don't know when to quit. So they go to your dive to continue drinking heavily and hopefully impress their fat redneck underdressed girlfriends by fighting some other equally sloshed 'neck. The cops do sit out in front of Dimples when everything else closes. Obviously you had several police officers and atleast one deputy there to take punches this weekend.

The punks who got the beatdown by the police this weekend deserved it. Doesnt matter if the officer trying to arrest him was right or wrong, you sort that out at the station. NEVER put your hands on an officer, regardless of the amount of liquid courage that Dimples served you. Nice job to all of Natchez law enforcement. Bet the punks don't touch you next time!

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 27, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So amusing that you people can get on here and bash an establishment when you weren't even there that night. I'm gonna stop commenting to all of you. Its a waste of time, effort, and energy. Have a great day!! :)

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You people sound like the soundtrack from a bad dream someone would get from eating too much boudin before bedtime.

There is no reason to break someone's jaw in the process of apprehension. Although it is an open case what happened to do that anyone who does not think that merits an investigation is a bit simple for this world. That's true no matter how dumb the guys were to strike, no matter how bad Dimples is, and no matter anything else.

Posted by adamscounty64 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Not everyone who attends a bar is a drunken idiot. And no person, drunk or sober, deserves to have their jaw broken into powder. Does anyone really think the "law" is going to say they used excessive force? Of course not. If these "officers" had more education, they would not be looking for fights with drunks. As someone posted earlier, they hang out there and wait for someone to look at them wrong so they can use whatever force they see fit.
Most of the Natchez PD are guys who got picked on in High School. They can't fight so they handcuff some drunk and kick his face in.
Sad. Very sad.

Posted by Hardcorps (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Why do the Natchez police officers not carry tasers? I've been around these types of episodes. Things happen very fast. I commend all the LEOs involved. Sounds like you all handled things well. You're right about in the big cities. These fine young men would be in the obits this morning and rightfully so. A LEO has to protect himself as well as others and he has to use greater force than he is facing.
Aren't these fine examples of white trash from Jonesville and Woodville?
Again NPD thanks, good job.

Posted by tiredoflosers (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

So adams64, mad cause you failed the civilservice exam are ya!

Posted by gunther57 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

its amazing from the comments you can tell who the people are that try to stay on the right side of the law. maybe except for a few tickets they know just like i do that the police dept anywhere has a hard job. for the ones that are talking trash about the police officers, get over it, i know some of the officers and they didnt get beat up at school most of them have a collage degree, and they are very nice people. just because it is there job to tell you right from wrong (BY THE WRITTEN LAW) does not reflect there personality. i feel these guys was out of line. IF ANYONE HERE THINKS THEY WOULD MAKE A GOOD COP GOT CALL THE CHIEF AND SEE IF HE WILL LET YOU RIDE ALONG ONE NIGHT OR DAY. i couldnt do it for only 24k a yr.

Posted by musicman02 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Adamscounty 64, tell me what is the problem you have had with police? You sound like you have had a run in with some that did not go the way you wanted.

Posted by asandbb22 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(drawpaintsing) I know one of the officers is black because he was my D.A.R.E. teacher when I was in Elementary school.

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Police brutality is a term used to describe any excessive and unnecessary physical force, assault, or verbal abuse used by law enforcement when dealing with the public. The United States Code, the laws that govern the day to day running of the country, states that any person working under the authority of a state law enforcement body who violates the civil rights of anyone in the U.S. is liable to pay for any damages they cause.

There are some widely known cases of police brutality, but there are thousands more that NEVER receive nationwide media attention. Any time a police officer abuses his or her authority and inflicts undue suffering on any person it is an affront to not only the victim of the pain, but to society as a whole. The people we depend on to protect us from criminal aggressors should never become the aggressors themselves.

EXCESSIVE FORCE - A law enforcement officer has the right to use such force as is REASONABLY necessary under the circumstances to make a lawful arrest
.. An unreasonable seizure occurs when a law enforcement officer uses excessive force in making a lawful arrest.

Whether force is reasonably necessary or excessive is measured by the force a reasonable and prudent law enforcement officer would use under the circumstances.

Frazell v. Flanigan,24 where the arrestee alleged that officers used excessive force against him after he already had been subdued. Upholding a jury verdict against the officers, the appellate court observed that "...it is one thing to use force in subduing a potentially dangerous or violent suspect and quite another to proceed to gratuitously beat him...." These cases point out that when the circumstances justifying a particular level of force
no longer exist, THAT LEVEL OF FORCE MUST BE DISCONTINUED....

SO tball...aka GENIUS, "popping a cap" shows your mentality and obvious upbringing

I'm sure there are witnesses that were there who will come forth and sure that it will be discovered that at least one of the men were SUBDUED, RESTRAINED, and INTACT when placed in patrol cars... To beat a already restrained man is NOT within the law whether done by LEO or otherwise!

And when it is discovered that the accused Officers did not act within the law, and other facts are revealed, all of you stone throwers will be busy scraping your jaws from the floor as well as removing your feet from your mouths!

Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 1:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hats off to the officers who were NOT afraid to issue a beat down to those looking for trouble. When you look for it, it will definitely find you!

Posted by veryniceperson (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 3:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I say, "Thank you" to our local law enforcement officers. For the guys from Jonesville, stay on your side of the river and in your town if you want to be publicly drunk and in a fighting mood. Do hope the injured parties recover, but still think it appears they all were in the wrong. I support our law enforcement in this matter. (and of course the family is going to yell, "brutality". Isn't the best offense a defense or however the saying goes?)

Posted by tiredoflosers (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outrage, how much are you getting for your account of the incident?

Posted by gunther57 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 4:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

i have to disagree with you outrage, how is it unlawful to defend yourself from 2 guys fighting you. both brothers were wrong, and have you forgot the police carry guns. so you can assume if true or not, if the brothers would have got the best of the officer they could have pulled his pistol and shot him and killed him. dont judge the officer for protecting himself and others around him. if you dont believe that you need to look at all the videos and read all the news articles about police officers getting killed while fighting idiots just like these guys.

on the other note if it is true about them beating him down in a special location that is wrong. news flash to all - drunk people lie.

brad paisleys song alcohol says it all.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sigh..... you are all probably right by saying nothing will come out of this... after all this is, in fact, a TIGHT knit community where everyone knows everyone.... and 3 brothers will lie to protect each other.... but police officers would NEVER EVER lie..... ;-)

Posted by musicman02 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Gunther, drunks dont lie whats wrong with you. Its my right to stand on the corner after being told to move on, and take a swing on an officer. I have that right ...... and lefts and an elbow or two.

Posted by brock (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 5:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

People don't become officers so they can get back at classmates . Adams64 what officer locked you up ? If you failed the civil service exam just take it again .

Posted by seeemeeego (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Several of the comments indicated the Ellards are from Jonesville, but I do not see that in the article. Is that certain? Also, what are their ages - does anyone know?

Posted by pride (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outraged09 is the elevator going to the top floor ? Cop gets beat down by two drunks and you are quoting police brutality . Seriously is the elevator going to the top floor ?

Posted by singleteacher (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have not been in direct contact with this guy but, Prater is a very disrespectful officer! Not saying he was right or wrong but he has a terrible attitude to say he's there to protect and serve!

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Show me where in my thread I said ANYTHING about race?? I simply stated fact and defined brutality and excessive force. As for what will all come of this who knows right? Let's just all remember that those men weren't the only ones in Dimples or shall I say that LEFT the establishment when the pepper spray was sprayed inside. I was merely speculating as to the WHAT IF SOMEONE ELSE WITNESSED THIS WHOLE INCIDENT? Let's all remember Rodney King. His taped assault was aired on television and it was a NATIONAL UPROAR even AFTER it was learned that he led people on a high speed chase and it was confirmed he was so high on drugs he couldn't tell if he was coming or going! Still people defended his right not to be beat down like an animal right? And when some of those allegations didn't stick need you be reminded the riots and the INNOCENT people beat down in the streets because of it? Oh wait, those Officers were the only wrong ones on the planet right? Move on to a real city GENIUS if you want to talk about popping caps, bet you wouldn't last a day.
No one knows how long these men were in Dimples or whether both were "drunk". So what if it turns out one was simply a designated driver? And what if, just like the Rodney King case, a video turns up showing Officers beat one of those men for no reason?(And I say Rodney King not because of race but because it it the most nationally known case). What then genius? It wouldn't be the first time LEO were accused of inflating charges to make themselves look good. Not all LEO's are like this, some are upstanding. Others, unfortunately, think they are as untouchable as GOD himself!!!! Looks to me like most of the comments in this thread come from either the accused, family of the accused, or co-workers of the accused because no person in their right mind would defend such brutality

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(pride) : Wow, I'm sorry I hadn't realized the police were BEATEN DOWN by these 2. Tell me where you read that so I can retract accordingly.

(adamscounty64) : TY for seeing things the way you do. Exactly what I was trying to say before I was maliciously attacked and had words put in my mouth by poppa-cap-tball!

Posted by justice (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Singleteacher if you've never had direct contact with policeman how would you know he has a terrible attitude ? Factual comment appreciated . Thanks

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(seeemeeego) There is an article in the Clarion Ledger which states that one is from Jonesville and one is from Woodville as well as their ages.

(tball) I know what I referenced to you, your insane comment about popping a cap as well as you saying " I see it's a race issue with you" . Wouldn't call that an attack, it was calling you out for accusing me of playing the race card when I said no such thing. White, black, purple, or green a line was crossed and the truth will prevail! *HOPEFULLY* As for me "perpretrating a falsehood have you read the article in the Ledger? Probably not
Read on genius (you do know how to copy and paste don't you?)

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.d...

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 6:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

sorry tball, I see you have a personal agenda in all this :)

Posted by singleteacher (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Justice- I've seen this guy in action. I've never had any altercation with anyone involved with NPD and most of them seem friendly. This guy is not one of those officers. If you provoke someone, they will react! Factual! Ha! I'm entitled to my own opinion! Nothing personal! I'm a friend of his wife!

Posted by generoberts (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The whole thing is pathetic. It's not a secret that the Police Officers of Natchez are thugs themselves with bad attitudes. Mullins has to work with what he's got. I miss people like Odell Anders, Billy Ferrell, Toney Huseman, Pete Haley, Ezra King...... Those were real Policeman. What a shame.

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(generoberts): AGREED!

Posted by 357magnum (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Big bad cop. Takes a real man to beat someone with their hands cuffed behind them. I bet you feel proud you won that fight. Keep up that strut!!!!

Posted by hastydecision07 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I HATE TO JUMP INTO THIS LATE BUT, THIS THING IS GOING TO GROW. MR ELLARD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN. HIS INJURIES WILL HURT HIM THE REST OF HIS LIFE. HE IS LUCKY TO BE ALIVE. HE MADE A SERIOUS MISTAKE AND HE IS GOING TO PAY WITH PAIN.

I HOPE ALL OF THE OTHER FOOLS THAT FEEL THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE TO COMPLY WITH LAWMEN LEARN FROM THIS. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS SEE THIS GUY AND THEY WILL COMPLY WITH LAWMEN.

NOW FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DID THE BEATING, THE LAW WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM. THEY WILL NOT BE LAWMEN MUCH LONGER. THIS WAS DONE OUT OF REVENGE, AND THEY KNOW BETTER.

Posted by 31023 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What this article fails to say is about the unidentified location that the boys were taken to after being apprehended by the officers and as to why they were taken there! Can't give it all away....but it will all come out soon! You are telling me that two officers were not able TO TAKE DOWN TWO DRUNKS WITHOUT BEATING THEM TO A PULP!!!! MY DAUGHTER AGE OF 14 COULD'VE DONE IT! THAT IS POOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND THE CITY OF NATCHEZ SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ACTIONS OF THEIR OFFICERS! ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS TACKLE THEM TO THE GROUND AND CUFF THEM, IF THEY ARE TAUGHT PROPER TECHNIQUES. AS IT IS THOUGH NOW, ONE OF THE GUYS IS IN A HOSPITAL WITH A FREAKING TRACH SO HE CAN BREATH!!!! COME ON PEOPLE!!! BLACK WHITE....WHATEVER IT WAS VERY UNPROFESSIONAL....POLICE BRUTALITY

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(tball) : From this point on I am not going to entertain your hostility, I am entitled to my opinion as are you. Pick a fight with someone else.

(hastydecision07) : sounds like you've seen his injuries, have you?

(357magnum) : At least it's not just me who sees this as a huge injustice!!

I wonder, being as NPD do not carry tasers, are their cars equipped with video cameras like almost every other patrol car in the nation? Probably not huh?

Posted by pride (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 8:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What if it were two blacks laid up in the hospital . Would it be an injustice Outraged09 ? Be honest

Posted by pride (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Don't get me wrong on this . If it turns out that these cops beat these guys while they were hand cuffed they should be terminated . This is not good for no race . It really would be an injustice .

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

-Racial profiling (if you know what that is) is wrong.
-Stereotyping people as drunken rednecks, or just plain rednecks is wrong.
-Beating ANY man who is in handcuffs in the back of a patrol car REGARDLESS of race, color, or creed is wrong.
-Mr King also did not deserve to be beaten the way that he was.
-So I believe I've answered your question (pride)
-We all need to stop picking at the things that are not important and focus on the matter at hand. Have you also read the Ledger? Both stories are similar except one is a little more detailed than the other.

I'm thinking alot more is going to be made public than what has already and people will more than likely be shocked! :)

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(pride) : TY !

Posted by pride (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I find it hard to believe that any cop in Natchez is capable of this . I'm pretty sure stuff like this happened to black people in Natchez before there were black cops in the department . If it turns out to be true it would surprise me .

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If that is true then shame on the officers who did that. What a bigger shame is if nothing was done about it. If all this turns out to be true I think it would surprise everyone!

Posted by saintsfan (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

RACE?RACE?RACE? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I dont care what color you are, respect lawmen. Do I always agree with them of course not but they are there for the greater good so maybe just maybe I wont get mugged by someone at Christmas leaving the mall, so I can sleep reasonably well at night knowing i am somewhat safe in my home. These police officers make poop for pay for what they do it sux. I wouldnt want to do it, would you?
I will tell you this not all people that go and have a few drinks at a bar are all thugs or idiots anyone that says that is an idiot themselves, go back to the church you go to instead of a bar and remember that jesus wanted you to love your brother not slam him.
Having a few too many drinks can make you do things you wouldnt normally do. I have been there did that.
That doesnt make me a bad person just a person that made a bad decision. Most times I have friends or family to stop me from making a complete A$$ out of myself like these poor guys didnt. But I bet this one thing when the Po Po says put your hands behind your back now to them they do it lickity split.

Posted by sandman (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Who was the supervisor on duty when all of this was goin on?

Posted by rose18 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

WAS THESE GUYS FROM MONTEREY

Posted by rose18 (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

IF THESES GUYS ARE FROM MONTEREY ONE OF THEM GOT WHAT HE NEEDED WAY TO GO NPD. ABOUT 3 YEARS IT WAS A BAD WRECK IN MONTEREY AND I WAS TOLD ONE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT HE KNOWS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. AND IF IT WAS HE WILL PAY DEARLY.

Posted by natashakubelikov (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If you run into the back of a car,it,s your fault. If you resist or strike a police officer,it,s your fault. He could have just kept walking and none of the columns above would be in here. If you start it,be prepared for what ever you get in return.

Posted by SableSkye (anonymous) on May 27, 2009 at 11:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

If I was a betting person, I bet it was Prater who discharged the pepper spray in the bar. I know of an innocent man who was pepper sprayed and assaulted by Officer Prater. I say innocent because it was proven in a court of law that he was not guilty, and in fact could not have been the assumed "mooner". (The innocent man Prater assaulted has permanent eye damage as a result from the pepper spray) Bad apple in ACSD = Bad apple in NPD. And have you seen this guy? He's huge! Why would it take so much force to subdue some drunks?

Posted by OFT (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 12:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

yes they are from monterey

Posted by generoberts (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 1:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish Prater could have met Lonel Barnes. Mr Prater would have been beggin for a left.

Posted by Jbirdisback (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Prater was fired from the s.o. for threatening the tow truck driver that was repossessing his mothers car and for using his badge to make the man give the car back. Noone there wanted to work with him because he's know for making most situations worse rather than better and for working outside the ethical way a law enforcement officer should. Everyone that's ever had to work around him knows what most likely happened on the way to the station and that is why mike is investigating this. The Natchez p.d. Never should have hired him after he was identified as a problem officer by Ronnie Brown and let go. I hope mike does the right thing and fires Prater, but even if he does i'm sure Vidalia or Ferriday will just pick him up, but then at least then he can be their problem and not ours.

Posted by justmyopinion (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 6:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

i happen to know several officers personally and the ones i know are good family guys. just because you knew one that you didnt like doesnt mean that all the others have to be losers too.

Posted by bayougal (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 6:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't care who you are.. if you're brought to the hospital by the police, who wouldn't keep you at the jail because you were in need of medical attention (red flag), then there should be full explanation by the police as to how these injuries were sustained. For this guy to have to go to Jackson and be on support for his breathing tells me that he was in pretty bad shape. If his injuries were a result of abuse by these officers, they should be punished to the fullest extent by the law.

I'm amused by those who encourage a "beat down" by local cops as a means to settle these types of altercations. Should you ever have the opportunity to be on the receiving end, I'm sure you'll change your tunes. Lastly, I'll go on record as saying I think taser usage should be outlawed. Use one on somebody with a cardiac condition. Don't think you'll like the outcome. I also know, for a fact, that some officers are too quick on the draw.

Posted by thetinman (Keith Reynolds) on May 28, 2009 at 7:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I meet Officer Prater a few years back while working out at Highland Health Club. I use to work basically side by side with his wife. The time I meet him was when he was in transition from the SO to NPD. He and I talked a bit. He seemed to be a nice guy over all. After working with his wife, they would be a family altogether I would like to go out with from time to time. I will say a prayer for him and his situation. I will also say a prayer for these two men in my view, even if Officer prater was wrongfully going after them, should have just co-operated with Officer Prater.

Outraged09, you sound like a person I would love to sit down and have conversations with. YOU ARE A THINKER!!! I am not to sure why people are criticizing you on another view, as to say "WHAT IF".

AS far as race, my view is like this; John the Revelator, in the book of Revelations, he said what he seen in heaven, he seen From every Tribe, form every nation from every tongue. This tells me, we need to all get over race and start to see people as a child of GOD!!!!

GOD Bless Everyone here. Remember JESUS is coming soon

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To clarify, 1 of these men is from Monterey (Jonesville) and 1 of these men is from Woodville. Their ages and the city they reside in is in the Clarion Ledger.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It sounds like you were there and know the facts?!?!?! Read the Clarion Ledger version. Very similar yet a little different. Jason Ellard was trying to stop his brother from making a bigger fool of himself fighting with Officers. The other brother isn't protecting the others he admitted that 1 brother hit the Officer but that Jason did nothing wrong. Interfering with law enforcement is not the right thing to do but doesn't warrant having the crap beat out of you. And, nothing warrants having the crap beat out of you after you were placed in handcuffs! Seems if the younger brother were trying to paint a pretty picture about all of this he would have said that neither of his brothers did anything?!?!?!

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

OMG you people are failing to realize that you were not there and not all of the facts were given in this story. It seems that a large amount of the problems that are caused downtown, fightwise, are guys (sometimes girls) from Monterey or Jonesville. I'm not saying people from around here don't cause problems, I'm just speaking from experience.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Really firered?!?!?! So experience tells you that the people coming from Jonesville or Monterey are nothing but brawling trouble makers?!?!?!?! You too fail to realize that you were not there, nor do you know all of the facts to this story. Experience tells me that 1 of these men, Jason in particular, is not nor has ever been a brawling trouble maker. Nor is he from Jonesville or Monterey! And he is still hospitalized and his injuries are not inflated. This is terrible! I can promise you this though, when the facts do come out and OH THEY WILL, alot of these people and their opinions will be eating crow for a very long time! (Except of course those here who are posting some of this bull because they WERE there if you know what I mean) And for them, justice WILL be served! This one is not going to go away!

Posted by rose18 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

WHAT GOES AROUND COMES BACK AROUND (BUT} THERE WAS NO DEATH LIKE IT WAS 3 YEARS AGO HE KNQW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT THE DEER AND THE TRUCK.

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 11:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Really, You know that I was not there Cncrnd?? Funny.. I thought that I was. Guess I was dreaming that though. You need to get a whole lot of your facts straight before you start spouting off at me. I know what I'm talking about, you have no clue other than what some drunken idiots have told you. And just to clarify, not all people coming from Jonesville and Monterey are brawling trouble makers.. just a good bit of them are. Believe me I know, I know people from over there, I've been there. I've seen it with my own eyes.

I can't wait for the facts to come out on all of this dear Cncrnd1977... So I can watch you be the one who is eating crow!!

Posted by digem (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You said it 31023!!! I'm with you

Posted by Tatorbug (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Prater, as everyone knows, likes to push his weight around, hide behind his badge and cause controversy rather than calm it. He's proven once that he can't handle the authority that comes along with being a police officer when he bullied and threatened the tow truck driver into not repossessing his mothers automobile and was as a result terminated from the sheriff's office. Why would the Natchez P.D. even hire an officer that had already been discharged from another agency for abusing his authority. He can not handle being a cop and if they continue to interact with the public in a position of authority he will continue to be a problem and an eye sore for the police department.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 11:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Good firered, glad to see that. Must be one of the accused as I also stated and will be glad to eat crow if it turns out that at least 1 of these men were not beaten after being handcuffed. We shall see :)

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 11:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

And if you are not 1 of the accused then you watched the whole incident going on outside and saw the 2nd man's condition when he was placed into the patrol car? Was he beaten to a bloody pulp, his faced twisted and swollen beyond recognition or was he placed in the patrol car uninjured? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm???

Posted by misshenrietta (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So I am shocked by most of these comments. I looked on here because I just heard about this and wanted to find out what happened. It seems only a few people even know the guys that this happened to and all others are making assumptions. I know the one in the hospital and have known him and his wife for half of my life. The other brother I have heard stories so I am not surprised to read that he hit the cop. What Daniel did was wrong, but there is NO reason for a police officer to take actions that they are accused of after the arrest was made. As for Jason, he is a mild manner guy that works hard and stays out of trouble as someone earlier pointed out. You do not know them and you unless you were on the street that night or in the police car how can you say they were just a bunch of drunk rednecks. I believe the brothers statement that Jason was trying to stop his brother because that sounds like something Jason would do. Explain this to me, all of those who say that the police officers were doing their jobs, how was Jason's jaw broken in multiple places if all they did was taser and pepper spray him. Last time I checked those two things should not cause injuries serious enough to require surgery. Of course I will side with the family because I know the character of the person who is in the hospital and what I believe he would or wouldn't do. I appreciate the comments of outraged09 for remaining unbiase and quoting actual definitions and cases where police brutality was used. Like you I believe more facts will come out and sorry that you were attacked by others.

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 12:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(misshenrietta) : Thank you and it may or may not surprise some here that I too know both of these people and I too am not surprised that Daniel would fight with with anyone, whether a LEO or not. If people here had read both stories, one was printed in the Ledger, they would see that it was admitted that Daniel did hit the officer. And if he was taken down violently by them then that's what happens when you strike and Officer. Pepper spray or taser and possibly a choke hold or slam to the ground. But even if he (Daniel) was beaten after he left and already in handcuffs that would be brutality.
As for Jason, I am a friend of both him and his wife, and believe that he was trying to play peace keeper. I've been at social gatherings with this man, with and without alcohol involved, and he has never displayed any aggressive behavior towards anyone EVER. In fact, he would tell either of his brothers(and anyone else for that fact) they were making "butt's" of themselves and stop them from causing trouble if need be. While it's true that he probably should have just stepped back and let Daniel get himself out of the mess he got himself into, the punishment and beating he received not only outweighed his "crime" but is horrific!

No, I was not at the scene where this all took place, but knowing him and his demeanor in all situations I am appalled about all of this. His poor wife is a wreck and his little children thank God they haven't seen his condition! Some here say he should have been home or why was he in a bar. I guarantee half, if not all of you here, enjoy yourself on the weekends & holidays and visit Dimples or other establishments and would be willing to bet alot that most of you do not have designated drivers. Interesting!

He who throws stones shouldn't live in glass houses :)

I posted those definitions because some here obviously don't know the difference between doing what you have to do to gain control of a situation or doing something because you want to play tough guy and beat someone unmercifully who's hands are behind their back. What a hero!

The issue at hand isn't whether or not Daniel deserved to be tased or peppered spray. It isn't whether or not Jason interfered and should have just stepped back. The issue here is whether or not certain Officers acted BEYOND the law and issued a BRUTAL beat down to a restrained man!!

(firered *Elizabeth Geter*) : you witnessed what actually happened outside? And are willing to testify, under oath, as to Jason's condition when he was driven off into the night? Be careful what you say because it better well be the truth, the WHOLE truth and NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!

Posted by butch (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 1:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Some of you white people are only angry because it was a black cop involved . Where were you racists people whenever a black person's rights were abused . A lot of these same rednecks would post their comments such as ; send the animal to jail , kill him , torch the animal , play rambo , etc . Just because it's a white guy who got beat down now the cops are horrible beasts . Some of you are nothing but hippocrits . You same people praise the police whenever their's a black person involved on the wrong side of the law . Now that a white boy got the crap beat out of him it's all of a sudden wrong . This is not supposed to happen to white people . Well rednecks , white people get beat up by the police also . This is a white thing only and some of you racist know it .

Tball was correct about Outraged09 , he's nothing but an outraged racist ! Natchez is nothing but a racist backwards , deep south , a** backwards town that focuses only on race .

The police did a good job and the officers involved will be vindicated . Also Officer Prater does an excellent job in the N.Natchez part of town . I would rather him coming in an taking care of business than some soft cop . He knows how to deal with these wanna be thugs . Chief Mullins don't let these white people influence you to get rid of a strong officer .

Posted by digem (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 1:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey guess what butch,color has nothing to do with it. Whats right is right and what is wrong is wrong.This was WRONG!!!It doesn't matter if the roles were reversed, it is still wrong. As far as you people call them ''rednecks'' what the hell do you think you are? All people from the south are considered rednecks,not just louisiana people,if you are so unhappy where you live....move.I did, 20 yrs. living in natchez was enough for me.This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach,but thats natchez!!!

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I couldn't tell you what the boy looked like when he was put in the cop car. I only watched one boy be put in the back of a cop car in handcuffs and I stopped watching b/c they were removing the taser thingys from him and it was too much like watching someone get a shot. From there I was not concerned about what was going on other than watching one of MY friends being loaded up on a stretcher with broke ribs. I was concerned about him not the drunken idiots who jumped on a cop. So no I would not testify in court because I did not see but one guy be put in a cop car and I don't know these guys so I couldn't tell you which one is which. Apparently I know Jason's wife, but that still does not change my outlook on things.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

No one is sitting here saying it is wrong because the officer was black. We're saying this is wrong because it is wrong! Black, green, purple, or rainbow colored what's wrong is wrong and to beat a handcuffed INDIVIDUAL (note i said individual to ward off potential racist accusations) IS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! Ignorance is not an excuse!
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Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 2:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I will say this to his wife and family though. I'm sorry he's in such bad condition and I will be praying for his recovery. Its a shame that this happened. I am concerned for his well being, I'm just not so sure I can believe all of their story.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I figured you would change your outlook being as you didn't actually see man # 2........ we're referring to him and him alone! Your friend with the broke ribs must have been the one who started this whole thing in the bar resulting in pepper spray inside huh? So you truly do not know either what is going on because all you saw was ONE man being put in the car and there were TWO!

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The only one telling a story is the 1 in the hospital who came after the altercation was initiated between his brother and the officers. And apparently was trying to stop his brother from getting into more trouble, which he probably shouldn't have done, but ended up leaving the scene in 1 piece and arriving at the hospital beat to a pulp!

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 2:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm not changing my outlook. I know what went on. How do you know that the first guy I saw wasn't the guy you are talking about? What you are still failing to comprehend is that these guys jumped on a cop. The one guy you are talking about was tased twice because he was still combative after being tased the first time. Have you ever been tased or seen someone being tased? I want you to explain to me how this guy is completely innocent. Who knows maybe you can change my outlook.

Posted by firered (Elizabeth Geter) on May 28, 2009 at 2:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

no, nevermind. I'm done with this. You keep arguing your point and I'll keep my point of view to myself. When you become an officer of the law then you can question me. I have nothing else to say to you.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OK so let me ask you this then Ms firered. If your friend, the one being carried away on the stretcher with broken ribs, had had a confrontation with LEO and was tased and peppered sprayed and then placed into the back of a patrol car under arrest and handcuffed and was physically fine with no visible injuries and then mysteriously arrived at the police station but the booking officer refused to book him and ordered the officer to take your friend to the hospital would it be ok then ??? If your friend was hancuffed and beaten beyond recognition ..... NOTE I SAID AFTER BEING HANDCUFFED AND TAKEN AWAY ....... would you tell your friend it served him right? He had it coming?

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Good and when the whole story of the 2nd man comes out you know the one you didn't even know existed, comes out you can apologize :)

Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have been reading all the comments and stayed away, but I do have one thing to ask (Cncrnd1977) were you there or is everything you know hearsay? Unless you actually witnessed the incident you don't really know what happened.
I do hope this man gets ok, but all of this could have been avoided if he had been home with his family. Now he will miss work that I'm sure will hurt his children.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm through posting back and forth and will leave it at this........ everyone here will see the truth. As another posted back there somewhere can't give it all away now can we? Let's all just say a prayer for the man in the hospital and hope he heals quickly. Hope the guilty party or parties, whichever the case may be have stock in Fruit of the Loom..... something tells me their gonna have to change them frequently when the truth is revealed.... you think it stinks now?!?!?!?!?!

Posted by brock (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 3:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Come on ! Who do you think the court is going to believe in this situation ? The words of 2 drunk white guys probably strung out on pcp . That's probably why they had to taser one of them twice . You have no reliable witnesses . Nothing on camera . It's not what you know but what you can prove in court . Hell for all we know these guys could have gotten busted up when they fell on their face from being tasered . This happens when an individual gets tased . Accusations from two drunken white guys . OMG this is going nowhere ! There are no bad cops in Natchez .

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL ok brock you must be one of them. I'll be sure to steer clear of you, hate to have my face rearranged from the taser
I got it now..... that's your story and you're sticking to it! (Isn't that how it works?)
It takes a strong, tough, and dignified person to beat on a man with a baton while his hands are behind his back and he can't even try to ward any of the blows off.

Posted by digem (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

there are no bad cops in natchez.........yeah right.You must think that the world is full of nothing but good people to.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey digem?? Come on now, there is nothing on camera & no reliable witnesses to prove that there are any bad cops anywhere. They've been sworn to protect and serve and dag-nabbit that's what they do..... ALWAYS ;-)
Oops sorry brock don't break my jaw :-(

Posted by happyreader (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

"Jacob Ellard alleges that after his brothers were handcuffed they were taken to an unknown location near the Natchez Police station and beaten before they were brought to the police station."

Ok, ladies and gentlemen... I'm sorry. I will confess that, when I made a comment early in this discussion in defense of the police officers, I had missed this one, very crucial sentence in the article. IF what Mr. Ellard is saying is true, then that is police brutality. The question is, is it true? I hope the truth will come out soon. I am generally a big supporter of law enforcement and don't want to see anyone falsely accused, but this sort of thing can't be tolerated, if it really happened.

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 5:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(tball) Yea you genius, HAVE YOU READ THE CLARION LEDGER???? Obviously not and you know nothing about what happened for real unless you were there.... were you???

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 6 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Nice to see some are truly interested enough to go back again and read the article. It may seem, upon first glance, that the 2 men might be saying they were falsely arrested. But that is not the case. What they're saying is that after they were subdued; brought under control, tased, placed in handcuffs; or whatever, they were then beat at an undisclosed location before arriving at the station. One badly enough to require hospitalization, a transfer to a better equipped facility, and surgery to repair his face. And, yes, that is brutality. No one here has seen the injuries to the man still laying in the hospital and when they do I believe all of you, except those here who caused those injuries, will be shocked!
(tball) At least you have the common sense to agree that IF they were beaten after they were handcuffed, it is 100% uncalled for and 100% punishable :)

Posted by whysoserious (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 7:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mama always said "You can't get into trouble if you ain't around trouble."

Posted by butch (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Outraged09 do you have something else to do instead of attacking Tball ? The man already admitted that he'll take a different view of this . You are one messy old dude . Seriously , you are too old to be on here picking fights with young people . Go take your Geritol and call it a day . And stop being messy Grandpa !

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Interesting butch, know something about me that I don't know? Sorry butch, errr I mean officer. No disrespect intended. Don't tase or beat me up. I'll be quiet now. Oh wait, I take that back, it's called FIRST AMMENDMENT and it's not against the law

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(greenteeth) : That's because the whole Dept is probably corrupt and trying to cover it up. I hope the FBI really is involved because they will conduct a full and unbiased external investigation and uncover the truth. Any other city would have suspended them pending a full investigation. Especially given the condition of the hospitalized man. Anyone look into how many newspapers and stations have picked this up so far? I've counted 2 stations and about 6 or 7 newspapers, including a station in Memphis (Action News 15), a newspaper in Memphis, 1 in Alabama, the AP as well. This isn't a complaint that "he squeezed my cuffs too tight and my head hit the top of the car when he put me in the back seat". Only a matter of time until it reaches a major network like CNN or Headline News. Then let's see them hide. Better start tucking your big boy tails between your legs fella's and kiss your careers and freedom Goodbye. Let's see how brave you are when big ole' bubba is your "room-mate"!!

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(greenteeth): DUH if you read butch's post earlier you wouldn't have to ask how he got such massive injuries? He was tased you know, and fell on the ground and broke his whole face. Happens all the time .... just so u don't have to scroll back here is what butch's post :

Posted by brock (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 3:08 p.m.

Come on ! Who do you think the court is going to believe in this situation ? The words of 2 drunk white guys probably strung out on pcp . That's probably why they had to taser one of them twice . You have no reliable witnesses . Nothing on camera . It's not what you know but what you can prove in court . Hell for all we know these guys could have gotten busted up when they fell on their face from being tasered . This happens when an individual gets tased . Accusations from two drunken white guys . OMG this is going nowhere ! There are no bad cops in Natchez .

SO YOU SEE GREENTEETH IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE! What a joke!

Posted by rose18 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

MR ELLARD DOES NOT TELL THE TRUTH. HE IS A SNAKE IN THE GRASS HE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS IF IT HIT HIM IN THE FACE (JACOB THAT IS) HE IS A TROUBLE MAKER.

Posted by butch (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 8:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You're the joke old man ! Outraged09 you're nothing but a racist piece of crap . If you are so outraged why don't you do something about it and stop b**ching like a little female . Being as old as you are you probably have your own personal killing fields from when you ran with the klan . Do what fed up racist white turds like yourself do . Get your guns and go out killing black people like you really want to . Oh ! it's 2009 black people shoot back now you racist !

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh brother here we go. Show me where I said anything about race? No wonder all the up to date states look down on these Southern states. Look at how some people act. Looks to me as both of your comments shows who is acting racist. The only ones here showing hostility to certain people and their "color" are you two idiots.
Tball stop playing like a parrot and butch get over yourself, it's people like you that keep this state from moving forward.
From the corruption going on in certain counties ( you know, burning people's houses because they protest ballots) to the separation of schools, to people like you shouting out accusations that I, or any other member of my family, was responsible for whatever happened WAY BACK WHEN. Before you start flapping your jaws you should know what you're talking about. IE: My age, my sex, and oh my race as well.
Don't you have a beat to be on butch? And tball don't you have a shadow to walk in?
This is a thread about the beating of a restrained man, not an issue of RACE get a clue

Posted by whatusay (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)

outraged, have you been to the police station to tell your side of the story? because you obviously know more than anybody on this blog. Or is this one of your relatives who made the decision to physically assault the police. as far as i know it is no where in a police officer's job description to be beat on by a bunch of intoxicated punks. oh and just to let you know Prater wasn;t even the officer who transported jason ellard to the police station. don't show your ignorance by speaking of things you don't know about. Keep your mouth shut people might think your a fool. open your mouth and there is no doubt.

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Where did I type the words Prater? I must really be a geriatric old fool with Alzheimers because I can't seem to remember typing that name anywhere. Sorry I'll drink my tea, take my Geritol and go to sleep so I can rest my weary, old brain.....if only I could find where I left my bed ...HELP

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

And to clarify I am not related to anyone involved in this incident, you can take that to the bank!

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Huh? Where am I? Can't hear you, ahh there is my hearing aid, now what were you saying? Oh yes I remember now, bed time. Good night. 10-4 good buddies, over and out! Maybe one of you can help an old man hobble to bed?

Posted by AwesomeWoman (anonymous) on May 28, 2009 at 10:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OKAY OKAY SINCE IT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM FOR A WHILE NOW HOW BOUT CLOSING IT DOWN!!! SAME PROBLEM @ DANNYS AND IT'S SHUT DOWN... O WAIT I FORGOT WHITE FOLKS RUN DIMPLES WHAT A DAMN SHAME!!! EQUAL PROBLEM ONE SOLUTION!! SHUT IT DOWN SHUT IT DOWN.... THE END NOW NO MORE POLICE OFFICERS WANT GET UP ON!!!

Posted by osaka20 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 10:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Funny thing about cowards like rose18. what does your opinion of jacob have to do with the justice behind a beating of these boys. You must have been a girlfriend of jacob's and he dropped you when seeing your true colors. The only important thing right now is proving what the Natchez Police did and getting Jason in good health again.

Posted by osaka20 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 10:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now for the rest of you who think thise boys are punks, etc. you just do not know them. All three of them as well as their sisters were brought up with old fashioned values. None of them have ever hurt anyone in their lives on purpose. These boys have good jobs, Daniel and Jason are family men who work hard, pay they taxes, and enjoy getting together every now and then for a little fun. There is nothing wrong with that. They do not deserve to be slandered by people who do not know them.

Thank God this will be investigated by outside sources and the truth will come out, because it does not matter what any of you think, or what happened outside Dimples, what is the major problem is what happened on the way to the police station. You better put your money on Daniel and Jason's account of the incident because they are NOT liars and if any of you would have seen Jason's injuries, then you would want to have Prater incarcerated where he should be right now. JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL...........

Posted by osaka20 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Now for the rest of you who think thise boys are punks, etc. you just do not know them. All three of them as well as their sisters were brought up with old fashioned values. None of them have ever hurt anyone in their lives on purpose. These boys have good jobs, Daniel and Jason are family men who work hard, pay they taxes, and enjoy getting together every now and then for a little fun. There is nothing wrong with that. They do not deserve to be slandered by people who do not know them.

Thanks God this will be investigated by outside sources and the truth will come out, because it does not matter what any of you think, or what happened outside Dimples, what is the major problem is what happened on the way to the police station. You better put your money on Daniel and Jason's account of the incident because they are NOT liars and if any of you would have seen Jason's injuries, then you would want to have Prater incarcerated where he should be right now. JUSTICE WILL PREVAIL...........

Posted by tiredoflosers (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Osaka20 They don't lie? Huh? Have they EVER been arrested before? Huh! Poor babies never do wrong yeah right.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

All of you will be shocked when their backrounds' are revealed, as IF that had anything at all to do with the incident at hand. I can tell you that one , if not both, of them has a SQUEAKY CLEAN record. Sit back boys and watch this all crumble around you.... but it probably would make no difference to any of you that are defending the officer accused.. seems the way all of you see it it's a race thing not a right or wrong thing. (tiredoflosers) read again mr intelligent, i think it said they'd never hurt anyone on purpose, not that they never do wrong.... quit grasping at straws and keep your eyes open so you don't miss anything ok?

Posted by tiredoflosers (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My eyes are wide shut. Jump on a cop, get beat down sounds pretty straight foward don't ya think.

Posted by Cncrnd1977 (anonymous) on May 29, 2009 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

(osaka20) : I second that "thank God this will be investigated by an outside agency" , so that none of the investigation is tainted. No secret that other incidents like this have been hidden or "investigations" turned up no justification for allegations. The Officer or Officers in question will receive justice for what they did. And to Jason in the hospital, been praying that your recovery goes well, thoughts and prayers and support are with you and your family!! And hugs to your children, I'm sure they're missing you terribly!!

I will say though to Officer Mullins, though, good job for stepping aside and letting someone else do the investigating!

(tiredoflosers): It's ok, keep your "eyes wide shut" . Hope that office chair is comfortable and is equipped with working seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride, you may fall off :)

Posted by outraged09 (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 12:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Wow! Where is everyone? Wait, it's Friday night, all you people who were trashing people being in bars are probably sitting in one now as we speak. Amazing!

Posted by newsflash (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 1:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

newsflash here... been reading these articles and all of the comments on this one and something is troubling me...comments are strangely disabled on the new atricle so i'm asking here....WHY IS ZONA ELLARD NAMED AS JASON & DANIELS MOTHER? Now I dont know whether Adam Koob was just rushing to get this story out before everyone else or not but if you're going to print a news story things need to be printed in the newspaper correctly..... Mr. Koob if you just ask you will find out this is the 100% factual. Zona is not Jason & Daniels mother, just mother of Jacob. As a matter of fact Jason & Daniels mother has never talked to the press, but she has been at the hospital out of the spotlight tending to her son as much as she can being as she is taking care of the grandsons which are left wondering where their dad is. And I'm also wondering why Mrs Ellard is constantly still speaking to the press concering these allegations. Usually you're supposed to take a step back and let the legal professionals do the talking so that nothing is taken out of context and so that later newspapers don't have to make corrections after printing information in error.....so Mr Koob give Mrs Ellard a buzz and ask her so that you may correct it please

Posted by shooshoo (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 7:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

omg that's enough comments, i won't leave one...oops

Posted by whysoserious (anonymous) on May 30, 2009 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

You people need to get a life.

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Posted by whatusay (anonymous) on September 13, 2009 at 9:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

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