Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 11, 2008 at 6:24 p.m.

I feel sadness and compassion for the loved ones left behind of the victims thay died that day . I feel proud of being an American and knowing the terrorist didn't win that day . We are able to maintain our lives and move on . They on the other hand, have taken a run for the hills and live a life hiding from us . They made us smarter and more courageous . They made us stand up and pay more attention to what is going on around us . We are more aware and as Americans we will never take anything for granted . Especially our freedom .

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 11, 2008 at 9:18 p.m.

"I think George Bush did the best he could with those catastrophes ."

LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT

I'm supposed to believe that the man who sat in a
classroom, reading a kids book for seven minutes
AFTER he was told the Country was under attack,
who was warned repeatedly about imminent threats
against the Country and chose to ignore them, who
has traipsed off on vacation every time there is
a domestic or international disaster, is a
decisive man-of-action with the fortitude to run a Nation.

I am supposed to believe that God himself chooses
my Nation's leaders and that, in his infinite
wisdom, he chose a lying, thieving, self absorbed, pro-torture,
pro-war, lazy frat-boy jerk like George W. Bush.

I am supposed to believe that the same man who
used family money and influence to duck military
duty, who has failed at every business venture he
ever tried, who never did an honest days work or
accomplished anything of value in his entire
life, is fit to be Commander-in-Chief.

I am supposed to believe that a man who ignores
the Constitution he swore to uphold, breaks the
law with abandon, repeatedly lied about the
reasons for going to war, its cost, its duration
and even its goals, is honest and trustworthy.

I am supposed to believe that the escalating violence,
chaos and deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan are a sign of progress.

I am supposed to believe that a man who, by his
own admission, does not read newspapers, who
only meets with and listen to "yes" men, who
refuses to speak before any group that is not
hand picked from his staunchest supporters, is in
touch with the realities of the World.

I am supposed to believe that sending US Solders
into combat without proper equipment or a viable
military strategy, while decreasing their pensions and
their benefits, is a patriotic display of supporting the troops.

There's more, but you get my point.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 12:35 a.m.

God bless America, God bless the world, and may God help us all. I pray that each person will seek the peace and find it; may God guide our footsteps, Amen.

9/11 was a terrible and sad day for this country. We all cried and mourned, some of us got together and lit candles and prayed. We were all in shock and each town should have group therapy classes for PTSD.

Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 1:39 a.m.

Watching the day unfold became sadder & sadder. I thought of all the children that would be without parents & parents without children. It was really a sad day in our history. There are images that will forever be etched in our minds.
There are so many theories about what happened, but the main thing is it DID happen.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 8:26 a.m.

DANG!! I never thought I would hear( or read) Someone with the guts to say that out loud in this area. You are absolutly correct GopherBaroque and thank you for putting it out there." God" is a "cop out" to allow people to commit the most horrific acts against their fellow man and Animals, then run to their "GOD" head and get forgiven. Those people who were flying those Airplanes were convienced that they were going straight to "Paradise", where they would be provided a large group of Virgins to serve them. As Americans we need to FOCUS on that, when selecting a President for this Country. GOD, is NOT going to save us from ourselves,( EVEN IF YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE). If you read the entire Bible,(not cherry picking the parts that you want to believ)( AS I HAVE), you will see that........

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 8:36 a.m.

God does exist. Why he allows things to happen like 9-11 is a question we can ponder upon until the end of time without ever seeing the big picture that only God can see because we are human and not God. One could also speculate that 9-11 was allowed by God to say, hey USA, you are not invincible...WAKEUP! God is real and he really could have waved his Omnipotent hand to stop those terrorist, but he didn't choose too.

The questions we should ask now: Are our borders more secure today than they were on 9-11? Are we checking people out better and being more selective of who are allowed to cross our borders and come into our country? Are we better prepared? If planes were to be hijacked tomorrow, would America allow them to fly into buildings again, or would the military jets protecting our airspace be allowed to intercept them the way they failed to do on 9-11?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.

oldhippie, don't you think it was nice of God to have those terrorist leave their luggage conveniently in that car at the airport with the goodbye note? And also to allow that wallet to fly out of the airplane and land miles away from the Trade center during all that destruction?

Were you CIA or special ops?

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.

I feel that it opened our eyes and we realized that we are not invincible. Contrary to the oldhippie, I believe George Bush did a great job addressing the security needs of our country and keeping us safe from additional terrorist attacks.
I just hope that Obama does not get elected. His plan to disarm this country is truly frightening at this point in the game. Our strength is our military and special forces.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.

You know I'm with you on this happybunny . I wouldn't want old hippie in my foxhole . Of course there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole . They all cry out for God in the end . Most atheist wouldn't lay down their life for their fellow man either . oldhippie , read "The Shack" by William P.Young. It is fiction but it is a very profound book and it will give you some things to think about . Read it . It's not going to bite you . It's a very good book .

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 10:55 a.m.

Wow ya'll how about that Joe Biden ? He admitted that Hillary would have been a better choice than him . Wonder why obama didn't know that ? I guess he doesn't read the newspapers .

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.

They did not consider McCain nominating Palin, their loss.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 11:55 a.m.

If Palen gets into the White House, there goes you girls getting maternity leave. She's like superwoman...she packs a gun, can skin a moose, set a hook, and drops out younguns and is back to work before anyone even knew she was pregnant. Wow, what a gal. Just look at her 4 months after giving birth, all healthy and rested, and ready to run the country with her breast pump in hand. Will she be bringing the kids to work with her at the White House? Will she get pregnant while being vice president? I can see now where I went wrong as a mother...I should have gone into politics and then I wouldn't have been fired for bringing my child to work when my babysitter baled. Oh, there ya go...Palin can make it mandatory that all employers allow their employees to bring the kids to work, make it a family environment. That will be great, don't ya think?

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 1:48 p.m.

Peace...have you been googling again today haven't you?

These children have a father who is perfectly capable of taking care of them. Why is it the mother's responsibility to stay at home and raise the children? There are many stay at home fathers.

What year is this? I find the opinion of whomever you have googled today offensive and sexist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for repeating this nonsense. I hope you didn't raise any daughters.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 2:25 p.m.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.
Belle, I don't knock anyone else's kick. If you feel like you need a Super Spook to protect you, that is your right and I respect your "CHOICE",( as long as YOU respect my right to mine).

You know I'm with you on this happybunny . I wouldn't want old hippie in my foxhole .<<< You would never have to worry about that Belle. I would never get in a "Fox Hole" with my BACK to someone who might have their head between their legs Praying, instead of pumping lead in the enemy that is bent on killing us. BTW "Fox Holes" went out of Vogue some time back.>>>>>>>Of course there is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole . <<<<<<< Is that a statement of fact, or something you read in a "Fiction Novel".>>>>>>>They all cry out for God in the end . <<< Most of the ones I saw, didn't have time>>>>>Most atheist wouldn't lay down their life for their fellow man either .<<<< The key words here are "LAY DOWN". I've had my life on the line several times, but I got them before they got me, so no I wouldn't "Lay Down" my life, but I have and would still ,Put it on the line. >>>>>>oldhippie , read "The Shack" by William P.Young. It is fiction but it is a very profound book and it will give you some things to think about <<<<< I have plenty to think about Belle,In the "REAL WORLD", so I don't waste time with Fiction.>>>>>>>

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 2:36 p.m.

Good for you happybunny, well said and for gopher and old hippie, I read a post right here on the N.D. blog that stated, I would rather live my life as if God really existed then dying to find out He did, than living my life believing He didn't then dying and finding out He did. Think about it. You will probably become a much better person and enjoy life so much more. Everyone does when they let God be their leader. As for as 9/11 it truly was a sad day for everyone, maybe we have all learned to be more aware of the evil hatred in this world and do more to counteract it.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 3:11 p.m.

I don't think any of us on here who are Christians have tried to force anyone to believe as we do. So why is it that those who are not believers are always the ones to bring it up? I have heard that those who talk about how much they don't believe are really searching for something to believe in. Maybe so, I just know Who I believe in and Who I trust. You two and others go right ahead and disbelieve.

As for peace, well my daughter just had a beautiful 8 lb 6 oz little boy, and she was taking calls from her office while in labor. Two days after, she was home and working on her computer, running errands, and buying groceries. Just because we thought we had to sit around and vegetate doesn't mean today's woman does. I think Palin will do more for women today than anyone else running. Actually the idea of being able to bring your kids to work is a good one. I know several people who do. We used to let one girls little boy run the shredder - he loved it!

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.

Well one thing is for sure, no one can accuse you folks of having a sense of humor. LOL Yall stay safe now ya heah.

Now that we are speaking again Freedom, congratulations on the new baby.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 6:39 p.m.

She can skin a moose and run a trotline, an Alaskan girl can survive. She can do it all in high heels and a skirt. She don't even need a break while giving birth, just pop the kid out and on back to work, an Alaskan girl can survive...LOL

Speaking of Alaska, yall know they have a weapons defense shield there, right? Neither Iraq, nor any other country could hit us with a nuke. Only from the inside can we be hurt...when you give foreigners a Visa, place one of those neat little bracelets with a gps tracking device on their ankle and frisk em real good at the airport.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.

John McCain on the View

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyQpmN-nH...
(part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoQ_G6eMJ...
(part 2)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvEDfwAg1...
(part 3)

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 7:42 p.m.

Sounds like Peace is JEALOUS of Sarah Palin.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 9:23 p.m.

oldhippie, I do respect your right to believe or disbelieve . I sure hope your heart is more than an empty cavity.I sympathize . You seem to have a lot of anger and you are so defensive . I hope someday you can find peace .

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 12, 2008 at 9:56 p.m.

That's it notfrom, I'm jealous, because I had to rest in between breast feeding when my baby was a newborn, and I couldn't go out moose hunting and skin it in between diaper changes. I'm really surprised however that the humane society advocates aren't screaming over her sports-hunting for moose and caribou. I don't plan to have any more children, so losing maternity leave won't bother me any, but some of the younger child bearing age women might be saddened to give up their bonding time with their newborns.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:59 a.m.

They are not going to get rid of maternity leave or paternity leave you moron.

Congress is the one that passes laws and maternity leave is a federal law.

So unless the Congressmen and Congresswomen want to lose their constituents, the maternity leave is safe.

Why don't you do some research before spouting off some idiotic rhetoric?

And another thing, you keep talking about moose hunting and caribou hunting. You don't have a clue how difficult is it. You probably don't even know where Alaska is.

So Peace--Tell me all about Barack HUSSEIN Obama's Experience. I am very interested to know what the guy running for the #1 job has. What about Joe Biden? He's just a senator...he hasn't RUN anything in all his time on the Hill.

Why do people keep asking Sarah Palin all these odd questions? when they don't seem to be asking anyone else the same questions. Is it because she's a woman?

Peace--you obviously have a problem with her being a woman. That's pretty sad.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10 a.m.

What's even more sad, notfrom, is that when we do ask questions, or make little humorous remarks, people like you try to bash us over the head for even thinking. What is wrong with us trying to find out about Sarah Palin when there is the possibility that she could end up as PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES? There is not a thing wrong with us wondering if the points made on google, or any other search engine, are possible, because most women don't return to work 3 days after giving birth. Most women don't fly on planes when they are that far along in their pregnancy. Most women know how risky it is for their pregnancy to fly and that the air pressure could cause their membrane to rupture and cause them to go into premature labor. Most women don't give 30 minute speeches after their water breaks. Most women don't get on a plane after their water breaks and then drive 45 minutes to get back to their own town when there are better hospitals in Texas. Do you even realize how dangerous that was for her to have done and how risky to that baby? And then to take that baby to work with her when it was 3 days old and to expose it to all those airborn germs around all those people at the convention?

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

I'm so glad Sarah Palin is not "most women" . She is unique . I went back to work 10 days after my first born because because I had no choice . We needed that $50.00 a week to just get by . I wasn't on welfare and didn't intend to be . It made me a stronger person . I wish I could have brought my baby to work with me . They are not babies very long and I'll never have that time back . We need to have a leader that can empathize with the hardships women go through . A man can say he does but he hasn't walked in her shoes . Women work hard having to hold up the family emotionally and financially and yet still have to fight their way to the top and when they get there ,9 times out of 10 ,still don't make as money as their male counterpart . Yet todays male want a woman that equally or more brings home the bacon . Then the poor selfish man wants to be the head of the household and have the little woman come home from a hard day and begin her "real" job of waiting on him hand and foot . I realize not all men are this way ,but there are a heck of a lot of them out there . So when somebody comes along like Sarah Palin , I rejoice to the high heavens . We need her talents in government where she can do the most good . I'm sure her husband doesn't mind .

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

It is a true talent the Democrats have developed...to argue a case diametrically opposed to the case for feminism that they've supposedly championed for years, to do it with a straight face only seconds after McCain's pick was announced and to base it on virtually no information on the VP known to anyone. Many of the questions and accusations being hurled at Sarah Palin would never conceivably be asked of a man in a similar position even if the man could give birth to a child. This is as two-faced as it gets folks.

It shows the truth about Democrats...they are so filled with hypocrisy, vitriol and the greed for power that they will say and do anything to win. They are desperately flailing and striking out blindly and can't understand how they are now behind in a race they considered a slam dunk.

I hope and think that most Americans are smart enough and will educate themselves enough to see the Democratic Party for the hoax it has become.

Posted by naturegirl (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

The problem is peace007 you are not asking real questions such as what is her position on emmigration, the war in Iraq, drilling for oil, taxes. You seem fixated on her performance as a mom. Years ago, in the 60's and 70's women had to fight just to get into the workplace in "non-traditional" jobs, and we were told we could not have it all. We had to be wives and mothers before we could be anything else. I rejoice and applaud any woman who can go out and fight for women's rights like Sarah Palin has. And I think she is certainly a great choice for VP and even President of the U.S.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.

As for 9/11...the original topic of this article (remember?)...we haven't had a terrorist attack in the US in seven years...that single fact makes moot all arguments against the War on Terror and how it has been waged...it has had errors to be sure...all wars do, mistakes will be made, but fundamentally the War has been successfully prosecuted...that's the bottom line and end of story.

Posted by greenie35 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 11:43 a.m.

I can remember very clearly the events of 9/11. I was in the Air Combat Command headquarters at Langley Air Force Base when we were notified of what was taking place. Langley officials scrambled the two alert F-16 fighter planes immediately after the first plane hit one of the towers. I was on a secure call to the communications center at the Pentagon when it was hit. The person I was talking to simply said that they were routing all communications back through Langley and "Good Luck".

The 3 fighter squadrons on Langley AFB and the fighters from nearby Naval Air Station at Oceana immediately started flying Combat Air Patrol missions up and down the entire east coast. What amazes me the most is that in the early 80's there were over 2000 planes on alert in the US - on 9/11 there were only 10.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 12:54 p.m.

Regarding what I feel about 9/11 -- I have compassion for all the innocent victims. The real culprits were politcians who have done things in foreign countries we would never allow to be done in the US -- that called this disaster on us all.

What most enrages Americans is that Ossama Benladin expanded the idea of acceptible attack plan in order to foil our defense systems. You can call him diabolical or call him brilliant -- but he did this not by introducing the killing of innocents -- we already did that ourselves -- he simply targeted innocents and avoided military imbalance -- a tactic used by generals for centuries. Everybody who fights wars will kill civilians if the stakes are high enough -- everybody.

Ossama Benladin simply attacked us in retribution for the deaths of many thousands of Muslims due to our influence. He held us liable for Desert Storm -- where the Iraqi people were the victims both of the US and Saddam.

He held us liable for our support of Saddam in the Iran/Iraq war, which killed one million people.

He held us liable for our unwavering support of Israel in their fight against the 600,000 muslim people they uprooted to start their country on land their religion said was theirs.

He held us liable for installing the Shah to rule Iran for 20+ years, and for shooting down an Iranian civilian airliner from a US warship in the Persian Gulf.

I do not support Ossama Benladin in his actions, and he should be Enemy #1 till we catch him.

But an essential rule of war is not not goad into attack or enrage someone you cannot kill, and so far we have not been able to kill him. Further, he has now trained a small army who uses tactics we can not well defend against. And we also know we cannot kill them all without killing more innocents and repeating the cycle of death, enragement recruitment and retribution.

We are doing everything we can to perpetuate our threat of terror backlashes. Resting our hopes on killing the most aggressive of the enraged will fail if we continue to kill their family members -- and others -- with bombs.

I see little good in talking about what we do to defend ouselves if we don't have the courage to face what we did to call the attacks upon ourselves, and avoid it in the future.

Posted by Hardcorps (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1 p.m.

oldhippie I completely agree with your first post. President chainie and his monkey bush should have been impeached long ago. The mess they have made will take many years to correct, if ever. The right wing neo con nutjobs want to take away all our freedoms.
palin is a joke. She will be replaced in due time I hope. Are the repukes really that stupid?
mcbush reminds me of Billy Bob Thornton in Slingblade.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:31 p.m.

Oldhippie is sick in the effing head......

Now, I still want O'salamie's head on a stick in the middle of a town square before we stop the war hunting for him. I remember where I was and what I was doing when I heard that MY COUNTRY was under attack. I want the perp to suffer greatly as he dies...maybe tie his hands and feet together and through him in a pig pen for a few days before we behead him..

Just my thoughts. Have a great day.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:41 p.m.

At least I'm containing my exagerations to a minimum area while Sarah Palin is broadcasting her "for the White House" lies and half truths on national TV for the whole world to witness.

WAKEUP. We the people can change things if we all unite.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:47 p.m.

Peace,
That sounds all warm and fuzzy, BUT I will never ever back a candidate or party that is all for ABORTION. HITLER would love abortion in the USA. He would laugh all the way to the grave. Are the republicans perfect? NO, but at least they acknowledge that life begins at CONCEPTION, not delivery. Do I back everything that the Constitutional Party preaches? H311 NO!! But at least they are not for abortion.

So, as long as people want abortion as a hindsight birth-control in this country, then I will never back their party or candidates.

So uniting would mean watering down my personal beliefes, then I will never unite with you. Sorry.

Have a great afternoon.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 3:01 p.m.

I think it's a curiosity how the "right to life" crowd is the "first to strike" crowd also, when it comes to offense at anyone outside our borders. When they kill for the wrong reasons they are the first to come up with another set of reasons to keep doing it.

It's a curiosity how they don't count the deaths of others they cause in a conflict, only their own.

How they support lax enforcement of pollution laws, killing and injuring thousands, and the Earth itself.

How they are the last to support universal health care, although they grandstand about the inhumanity of their adversaries and the sacredness of human life.

How they support astronomical prices for us for pharmaceuticals, thereby pushing millions out of reach of life-saving drugs.

The right to life crowd seems only to vote for a right to life when the letter of their actions is to prevent others from having the freedom to choose. Otherwise "right-to-life" is clearly a misnomer for them, and the most monied of them can go to whatever state makes it legal to get abortions for their daughters and girlfriends. Effectively they only seem to be able to make it more difficult for the poorest to use abortion for birth control, then they wish to pay the least for the support of these children.

At the root of all the special interest cults the GOP supports you will find a lie or a misnomer that seeks to paint the members of that group as more than they are.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 3:09 p.m.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 1:31 p.m.

"Oldhippie is sick in the effing head......"
<< This coming from a person who said;>>>
"I still want O'salamie's head on a stick in the middle of a town square before we stop the war hunting for him"
<<<Obviously "Red" is unaware that the "War",( to which she refers), is just a slogan to keep the "Faithful" pumped up and the Occupation of Iraq is generating six Terrorist for every one killed.>>>
"maybe tie his hands and feet together and through him in a pig pen for a few days before we behead him.."
<<< This would work for me, but it would prove conclusivly to the World,( what they already fear) That the "Good CHRISTIAN People" in the U.S. are just as "Evil" as the "Extremist" that we are fighting>>>>

"So, as long as people want abortion as a hindsight birth-control in this country, then I will never back their party or candidates."

<<< First, all educated, and informed people in this Country KNOWS that NO PARTY is "PRO ABORTION" That is another one of those "Program" words, used by the Republicans to "Brain Wash" people. The difference is that the Republicans say the "STATE" will denie you your Constitutional Right to chose, regardless of the circumstances and the Democrats would leave that choice to the Woman, her Dr. and Family. That asside you admit to being a "ONE ISSUE" Voter, so don't try to school me.>>>

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 4:31 p.m.

You 2 must be smoking some healthy weed again...It burns up brain cells, which is obviuos from the post that you 2 just put on here....lol...lmao....

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:08 p.m.

I've never said that the republicans have it perfectly right but I do agree with most of their beliefs and their fight toward a better America . I believe they are headed in the right direction . It's our responsibility to listen and do whatever we can to support them if we believe as they do . That doesn't make us morons. I believe in a McCain/Palin America. I'm asking for McCain/Palin votes . Do it for yourself and do it for your country .

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:27 p.m.

redusmfan you go ahead and vote however you choose, that's your right. But as long as brothers rape their sisters and father's rape their daughters, and men rape women, I will not vote to make abortion legal. As long as the US drops bombs on innocent children and pregnant women to kill "terrorist" that are not a country, I will believe that their stance on abortion is just a political tool to win an election. A Republican has been in office for 8 years and his own sister-n-law wrote in a book that he himself had snorted cocaine and paid for an ex-girlfriend's abortion. During his 8 year term, another Republican writing laws for kiddie porn and safe internet laws for children was caught writing love letters by email to the young page working with him. Another Republican was caught giving signs underneath the bathroon stalls for gay sex. So you go ahead and vote for the Republicans if that's the way you choose. I can't.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:29 p.m.

redusm fan if you will watch the link I provided above with McCain on The View, you will see that he isn't totally against abortion either. I think it was on the 3rd link.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:37 p.m.

no, naturegirl, you are wrong. I am fixated on her lies and half truths which make her seem not to be above lying to win an election. Why read a teleprompter saying what you're told to say instead of the truth? As a matter of fact, if Alaska is to be the place of refuge for the lower 48, perhaps she is already where God would have her be when the refugees begin migrating north, as Governor, to be their leader.

I'm sorry you had to return to work so soon after giving birth. I remember how it was for me returning after 6 weeks and I really didn't want to leave my baby then.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:55 p.m.

Peace I think you need to go back and see what you wrote at 6:27:
I will not vote to make abortion legal

Maybe you have changed your mind and the rest of you doesn't know it yet.

Posted by naturegirl (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 6:59 p.m.

You've got the wrong person Peace007. I never had to work when my babies were little, so I had all that time to have fun with them. I'm sorry that you didn't though.
As for reading teleprompters - you know Obama can't put 4 words together in a sentence without his.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 7:29 p.m.

What about all of Barack HUSSEIN Obama's half truths and lies?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:39 p.m.

sorry naturegirl that was meant for southernbelle.

Thank you freedom, you are correct, it should have said illegal.

And the book was written by Kitty Kelley, The Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty...not the sister in law, for some reason she never wrote the book that she claimed she was going to write, but Kitty Kelley got her information from Sharon Bush, or so she says.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 8:53 p.m.

freedom, I don't like abortions and I don't think they should be done for birth control, but I wouldn't make a 10 year old girl go through a pregnancy caused by incest or rape. That would be just too much shame and trauma for a young girl to have to endure.

If you make abortion illegal, women who have miscarriages could have to prove it wasn't caused by a self induced abortion. Anyways, where would you put all those women in prison if abortion was illegal? How would you stop them from self induced or back alley abortions like they did prior to making abortions illegal?

Wouldn't it make more sense to teach them how to prevent becoming pregnant in the first place and by offering family planning services to provide free birth control?

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:18 p.m.

What do I think about 9/11 now? Well I think it is going to happen again if we get someone in the position of leading our country who does not have military experience.

The ND should ask this question:
"If made president, what will Barack Obama decide to do if our country is hit with another terrorist attack?"

- tuck in tail and run
- Go against his objectives and bring the US into another war
- Hire John McCain for advice

55% say he will tuck in tail and run
15% say he will go against his objectives and bring the US into another war
40% say he will hire John McCain for advice.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.

Sex education is already taught in schools starting in the 3rd grade. Birth control is free from the Health Dept., both pills and condoms. Kids know how not to get pregnant, these are not the ones having abortions. IF they have an abortion they can't get that check every month. On the other hand if a woman gets pregnant accidently and just thinks a baby is going to spoil all her fun, her career, or whatever, she can just get rid of it. For whatever reason, it is still, in my opinion, WRONG. Putting a criminal who has murdered someone else in the electric chair is one thing, taking the life of an innocent child is another.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:05 p.m.

Obamayama,

America simply cannot afford more of the old approach to our national defense. Instead, it needs a Commander-in-Chief with the right combination of judgment, vision, and leadership for the 21st century.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/defens...

"Our country's greatest military asset is the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. When we do send our men and women into harm's way, we must also clearly define the mission, prescribe concrete political and military objectives, seek out advice of our military commanders, evaluate the intelligence, plan accordingly, and ensure that our troops have the resources, support, and equipment they need to protect themselves and fulfill their mission." -Barack Obama, Chicago Foreign Affairs Council, April 23, 2007

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:06 p.m.

so freedom, you would make the 10 year old who gets pregnant while being raped have the baby?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 13, 2008 at 10:20 p.m.

So if you don't want women to have abortions, why not have women who sign up for Welfare and foodstamps agree to get a tubligation? Or a yearly birth control shot, or other birth control? Make them sign a paper that if they become pregnant while on Welfare that they will agree to give the baby up for adoption? Make them give a urine sample and if it shows positive for drugs, place the kids in foster care, and make the woman go to rehab prior to getting assistance? You think it's humane to spay or nuture(sp?) cats and dogs, right...why not humans?

What do you think?

Those are just some questions, since so many of yall are upset over people getting Welfare assistance for their children and you don't want them to abort. What should they do?

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:09 a.m.

Yeahuhuh, oldhippie and hardcorps...you're laying blame on the US and are apologists for the US when we simply have nothing to apologize for...You sound like that idiot Ward Churchill (even liberal University of Colorado couldn't tolerate him anymore)...why is America always in the wrong in your view? If there were errors, and there were and always are in war, I'd rather err on the side of freedom, liberty and strong protection of the US than take my chances with your attitude.

Oldhippie...where do you get your statistics for the comment "the Occupation of Iraq is generating six Terrorist for every one killed"...to date I've seen no reliable factual statistical study that indicates your statement is true...maybe you have special sources of info.

Yeahuhuh...Osama couldn't have cared less how many Shia'a were killed in the Iran/Iraq war, or by the Shah...he's Sunni...duh, they've been in an internal war for centuries.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:23 a.m.

Peace...you posted a quote from Obama:

"Our country's greatest military asset is the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. When we do send our men and women into harm's way, we must also clearly define the mission, prescribe concrete political and military objectives, seek out advice of our military commanders, evaluate the intelligence, plan accordingly, and ensure that our troops have the resources, support, and equipment they need to protect themselves and fulfill their mission." -Barack Obama, Chicago Foreign Affairs Council, April 23, 2007

Big problem...Obama voted against his own words! To date our current Commander-In-Chief has done exactly what Obama said must be done...McCain is even more astute in this realm of experience.

Posted by Teach4Peace (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 7:16 a.m.

Yeahuhuh keep them coming! I like how most won't contest/counter your comments because they simply can't. Good call on the "right to lifers" and good exposition on their "convenient" decisions on who has a right to live and who doesn't. The United States does NOT have clean hands when it comes to 9-11 which is also what enfuriates me. So many people lost their lives and one of the most secure vestiges of security in this country was attacked, the Pentagon. If 9-11 taught me anything, it was how comfortable we had gotten as a nation that nothing could/can happen on American soil. I am all for protecting and defending America, but I think if some of the scary stuff this country was/is involved in was uncovered, we would all shudder.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 8:33 a.m.

The first Woman President??"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26691018/

Posted by tedhinson (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.

Old hippie, you believe that crap? It is from the NY Times, one of the most notorius papers for printing anything that pops into their liberal heads. If you are going to provide a link try one that will actually provide a decent source of info. You're not still into acid are you?...lol

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.

Just how many 10 yr. olds get pregnant ? Killing an innocent baby in the arms or in the womb is still murder . I could never vote for someone that believed abortion was an answer . As for that 10 yr old . Two wrongs won't make it right or take away the trauma of being raped . It won't take away the fact of that child had a baby killed inside her . It would only make things worse in the long run .

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:16 a.m.

Teach4Peace...no one needs to rebut/contest or counter fairy tales.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 a.m.

I am so confused . Didn't I hear Obama say he was going to cut military spending just a short while ago ? Now I hear him say he wants to give our military a raise ,increase the size of the military ,give them better equipment to fight with and give our vets more benefits . How can he do that ? Is he that rich ? Oh, I get it now . He's going to raise more taxes so we can fight more wars . He is a slippery little devil, isn't he ?

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:33 a.m.

Posted by tedhinson (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 9:39 a.m.

<< No Ted, I gave all that stuff up long ago,( with no lasting effects). As for the Times Link, I agree that they are not the most reliable link,( from either political view point), But I have seen all of these stories reported numerous times on several different sights and from different sources. This was simply the first report that had them all in one place, in chronological order.........

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:44 a.m.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:32 a.m.

I am so confused .<<<<<< Yes, I know Dear, but we understand>>>>>> Didn't I hear Obama say he was going to cut military spending just a short while ago ?<<<<<<<< NO, you DIDN'T hear Obama say that, what you heard was the REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA MACHINE say that and it simply never occured to you that they might lie to you. I have noticed a propensity of people in your Party to have issue's with LIE recognition lately, it seems to be pandemic, LOL...

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:22 p.m.

oldhippie01...I'm not sure you should be the one to determine whether there were any lasting effects...you clearly can't think straight...LOL.

Posted by tedhinson (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.

Hey Hippie, Obama did say that he was going to cut the military including their future weapons systems. Just dig around a bit and you will find it too....if you want to find it..lol

Glad you are doing ok these days but you shouldn't sound so onesided if you are going to try and present a logical argument.

Gotta go pull for the Saints.

later

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 2:02 p.m.

If it were Rep propaganda then explain to me how they got obamas mouth to move with the sound of his voice saying those words ? You're trying to hard to defend your party. Just relax and take a deep breath . You'll be alright . McCain will take care of you .

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 2:37 p.m.

" McCain will take care of you ."

<<McCain is a dead man walking, he will be lucky to live four years. As for me I have been surviving for 68 years and never asked anyone to help me, so I will be fine. What I worry about is the World my Grand Children will inherit. Sarah Palin's finger on the Nuclear trigger makes that a Crap Shoot.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.

oldhippie...my dad is 72 and shows no signs of slowing down, perhaps at 68 you are the dead man walking.

You may never have asked for help, but everyone needs and receives help at some point in their lives.

Don't worry about your grandchildren...the "nuclear trigger" argument is a red herring and scare tactic you Dems like to attribute to conservatives...Sarah Palin loves her children too...all five of them!

As usual your arguments fall flat at every level.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 3:51 p.m.

Well I'm still walking three thirteen Minuet miles six days a week, so I will take my chances. I never dreameds of winning an argument with a republican, the "Party" has done a good job of brain washing you guys. I confess though that I would love to be a Fly on the wall on the Morning of the fifth of Nov. when you have to come to grips with the fact that Obama is your President, LOL,ROTFLMAO!!!

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 4:04 p.m.

What will you be doing if the opposite happens besides crying in your mocha latte? Thirteen minuet miles six days a wee, really?...with or without the tutu?

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:18 p.m.

I will do the same thing I did for eight years of Reagan and eight years of Dub-yuh, Survive. The answer to your second question is yes, I don't lie, but it's week, not wee. I had to ask my wife what a damn tutu was, she got a good laugh out of that one and considering the sourse, I did to.........

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:38 p.m.

Sorry for the typo Oldhippie...didn't mean to make anymore fun than the tutu/minuet part...the "wee" part was unintentional. I didn't mean to imply that you are incontinent and I never doubted your honesty.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:39 p.m.

ROE vs. WADE
Ray Nagin, the Mayor of New Orleans, was asked his views on Roe vs. Wade.
He said, he didn't care how people got back to their houses, as long as they made it safely.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:45 p.m.

No problem Sammohon, I've been called worse than that. I try to give as good as I get until I loose interest, LOL.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 5:53 p.m.

There is something wrong with Nagin's noggin.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:33 p.m.

Do you suspect that he "Inhailed"??

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 6:45 p.m.

I suspect he had some of your old acid and didn't recover with no visible effects...heck, now I'm even having flashbacks to Katrina.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 7:04 p.m.

That's so funny it could be true! LOL

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 7:15 p.m.

Freedom42...you want funny?...check ou the commentary here:

http://www.natchezdemocrat.com/news/2008...

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 7:21 p.m.

Yeah Sam, I just left a comment there. I swear I take an afternoon off to visit with company and you guys go crazy on me!

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 7:55 p.m.

((Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 11:13 a.m.

Just how many 10 yr. olds get pregnant ? Killing an innocent baby in the arms or in the womb is still murder . I could never vote for someone that believed abortion was an answer . As for that 10 yr old . Two wrongs won't make it right or take away the trauma of being raped . It won't take away the fact of that child had a baby killed inside her . It would only make things worse in the long run .))

One 10 year old becoming pregnant is too many, but I bet you'd be surprised how many there are in the world. The youngest child ever recorded giving live birth was 5 years old in Peru. Killing innocent babies in the womb is murder in Iraq too when we drop bombs on pregnant moms. No, abortion wouldn't take away the fact that the child had been raped, but she wouldn't have to endure knowing about the fetus growing inside her if she didn't have to go thru child birth. Pregnancy at a young age can cause many complications, even infertility and death. Plus, there are many emotional and social development problems a 10 year old mother would have to face. Even with pregnancy in teens, only 1/3 of those mothers complete high school and 80% end up on welfare.

Women should be allowed to have a choice, but not just the Republican choice not to abort.

When preachers stop being involved in politics and go back to preaching to the male congregations that raping females is "wrong and a sin", then maybe we will see a drop in abortions. Some of them may need to heed that sermon themselves and keep their filthy paws off of male and female children. Pretending that it doesn't happen is not helping to solve child molestation in the USA or elsewhere in the world.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 14, 2008 at 9:04 p.m.

Southernbelle, I think your answer was right on. I can't see how anyone who claims to be a Christian can sanction the deliberate murder of babies. I'm sorry for whatever has happened in peaces life to make her so bitter.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 7:52 a.m.

"Yeahuhuh, oldhippie and hardcorps...you're laying blame on the US and are apologists for the US when we simply have nothing to apologize for..."

Sam, you know I always gave you the benefit of the doubt until you got on here.

People that shouldn't get at a national treasury include people like you -- who cannot choke up some Golden Rule to determine when your actions, your speech or your bombing campaigns are offensive and counterproductive. Even your argumentative style reeks of smug, decadent contempt, because you can't live up to the honesty and straightforwardness conservatism claims for righteousness. Your conclusions obviously -- to you -- need no qualification. That's just who you guys have become.

Not to mention the astounding trait of going through the last 8 years of having your pet sayings trashed by the people who are putting them into practice -- not noticing how bad you have done -- then still demanding on THE OTHER SIDE'S ASSUMED MALFEASANCE that you must retain rule.

What is laughable is after not noticing how decadent your side has become -- you still see no alternative but your hegemonic rule.

Anyone who bothers to hook up with the Republican Party on a right-to-life basis is a fool. Anyone who attempts to stop terrorist reprisal by yet again terrorizing other countries with bombs and might is a war-monger. Those people create terror -- they don't solve it. Including all the ones who stay at home and cheer on the politicians -- the folks who pay them to be the same old crooks in the same old way telling the same old lies.

They also want to tap into public funds while they do it, even knowing they represent somewhat less than 50% of the taxpayers. Cowards -- school fish -- not what they claim to be. Undemocratic and dishonest.

If you don't like government stay away from it. Otherwise your crooked side is too obvious and you use our national symbols dishonestly -- conservative welfare to go along with overspending and trashing the national treasury. You really do have a need for Big Government to do the things you can't seem to find the will to do, don't you?

Nothing tells the truth like the national GOP wanting to rig everything from election attendance to district lines to obtain a "permanent GOP majority" in a democratic republic. Them having the cahones to say that out loud and their "democracy-loving", flag-waving supporters not having the gray matter or the spine to cry foul -- that's your real test of character, fellows.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:44 a.m.

Let me get this straight, freedom, you somehow have formed the idea that risking both childrens' lives, the 10 year old mother and the fetus, would be a better Christian value than to save the mother? Is that correct?

Freedom I'm very glad for you that you have lived in a protective bubble where nothing bad has happened in your life. I pray that your little new grandbabies will as well.

Maybe you should write a letter to the Iraqi and Afghan mothers, and their children (living and in the womb), and explain why you feel that God prefers your life to theirs and that's why you support dropping bombs on them.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:49 a.m.

Cindy McCain said, "My Father was a true "Western Gentleman."

He rose from hardscrabble roots to realize the American dream.

With only a few borrowed dollars in his pocket, a strong back and a can-do spirit, he built a great life for his family.<<<yea, but I read that he made his money illegally thru the mob and organized crime.

His handshake was his solemn oath. He looked you straight in the eye and he always believed the best of you unless you gave him good cause not to." <<<was she talking about the half sisters that she's forgotten all about while spending daddy's money?

here are the parts she left out

http://judicial-inc.biz/82cindy_hensley....

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2000-02-1...

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.ht...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/specials/m...

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:51 a.m.

Teach4Peace, there is no way to rebut huhuh because he takes the long way around to pointless. Big words...no substance. It's quite laughable really.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:53 a.m.

Peace, I don't understand why you are so obsessed with Cindy McCain and her family.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:01 a.m.

Happybunny we know you are one of the many who value your opinion above all facts.

You know your last two posts had far more to do with your inability to understand than anything else. We do too.

I encourage everyone to take a look at your nasty comments by clicking on your username and reading the record. You are a slow-witted sort, prone to one-line self-inflating rhetoric and insulting quips with no substance at all otherwise.

I never expect you to read or understand my comments. I use you to reveal the character of your side by NOT reading, NOT understanding, and NOT commenting intelligently.

Keep it up. Show those 3% of undecided people I am right about you and your side.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 11:31 a.m.

Yeahuhuh , I sure am glad that the Economy is in such good shape,( as Happybunny's President and Candidate both agree on), otherwise I would be concerned about the Market being down 315 points, LOL. Glad I didn't believe them and buy any of that crap.

BTW yeahuhuh, could you cut down in the number of those big old six and eight letter words? Happybunny has trouble with those, LOL.

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.

Would one of you anti-Republicans please explain to me why you think this Global Poverty Act is a good idea. 845 billion dollars above what we already send is a whole lot of money, not to mention the other implications of this act. I was an Obama supporter until a couple of months ago when I realized I was being way too emotional about this election. I started listening carefully to Obama and now I am scared to death of him.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:17 p.m.

"WOMEN AGAINST SARAH PALIN"

I am a fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican. I am aghast at the choice the Republican ticket has made in Sarah Palin. If one took the time to look at the Republican ticket of how they would fiscally manage the mess we are in, one would actually see for him/herself that we would end up paying more taxes. Of course, Ms. Palin has no concern regarding that whatsoever. Her agenda is always personal and irrational to the needs of the greater good. I have been writing to Ms. Palin's administration since she took office out of concern for the wolves (brutal and inhumane aerial gunning of wolves) and the polar bears' loss of habitat. She has consistently showed no compassion for how outsiders view her policies. How would that bode for us as Americans if she runs our country with the same disregard? The U.S. is a part of the global community and she is completely unconnected from that responsibility and that role. I am so ashamed to be a Republican that I have re-registered as a Democrat this year because, frankly, they are more like original Republicans anyway (less government, more power to the people) and the Republicans are now about more government and less power to the people. She in no way represents an intelligent Republican woman and I don't want to be associated with Republican women if they identify with her ignorant and hypocritical platform.
-Susan W., 65, Flagstaff, AZ

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:21 p.m.

If John McCain really did as he claims to put "country first" he would have never selected her, someone with a very weak background in government and too many personal challenges, regardless of her gender. (Also if he put country over his partisan tactics he would not be making false claims in attack ads. I respected him once, no longer, and I find Palin to be an embarrassment.)
-Tabb F., Gloucester, VA

As a nurse and happily married mother of 3 teenagers, I am aghast that the Republican Party feels they can win over the support of women to the candidacy of Sarah Palin. I absolutely believe that it is possible to have a family and a successful career, and encourage everyone to follow those two paths should they feel so inclined. However, I feel that Ms Palin is a caricature of everything I stand for. Her beliefs on the environment, foreign policy and sex education are not those of someone with a worldview, but rather of someone with a closed mind. That is the world of the 1950’s, not the world of today. Her interview with Charles Gibson reminded me of a job interview for a job you’re not really qualified for, but try to bluff your way through. Her belittling of the other candidates in the presidential race show a small minded person.
-Annemarie H., 51, Scottsdale, AZ

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:22 p.m.

hippie, the market is down because of Lehman Brothers declaration that they are filing bankruptcy and the Merrill Lynch buyout.
These issues are directly related to the housing crisis/credit crunch and the feds failure to regulate non-bank entities.

notabigot...I wish everyone was as open minded as yourself and would truly study Obama's fairy tale plan and wonder to themselves...how will he pay for all of this, why Robinhood will tax the rich and give to the poor, he will tax big Corporations and send industry fleeing the United States, leaving yet more welfare folks that we have to pay for. I too am frightened by his "change".

huhuh...you are the pot calling the kettle black. I could offer the same suggestion of your posts except I don't think anyone has that much free time to read your neverending drivel. You are one of the nastiest, condescending people on this site.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.

You would think that women all over this country were absolutely mesmerized by Sarah Palin and totally forgetting everything they strongly believed in. While I am not convinced that everything written or said about her is true, she did answer Charlie Gibson on some specific issues. Charlie asked, "Do you believe that Roe vs Wade should be overturned?" Her definitive answer was "Yes." She further elaborated she's against a woman's right to choose even in cases of rape and incest. Secondly, she's for "VICTORY" in Iraq. I wish someone would ask her what this victory would look like, 5, 10, 15 years from now. She claims that Hillary Clinton and her have a lot in common. The fact is that everything Hillary Clinton has worked for in the past 30 years, Sarah Palin is opposed to.
Vote your with conscience, vote for the person who stands for what you believe in!
-Anna C., 57, Oldsmar, FL

She did not even bother to be prepared for her first full media interview with Charlie Gibson (How embarrassing). She bobbed and weaved, avoiding any direct answers to the very direct questions she was asked (Possbily out of ignorance). Then, when the questions became just too difficult for her, she answered her interviewer with a cute smile and a wink (What political savvy). What are we to think about a Republican candidate, who when asked about a specific Bush policy on terrorism, gave an answer that clearly proved that she had no idea what Charlie Gibson was talking about? If this is what John McCain and the Republican party think the American people want and will follow, I think that they have made a very very huge mistake.
Barbara V.

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.

>>notabigot<< Thank God you got scared. I daily pray the others will also. They have not stop to wonder where the 66 million dollars obama recieved last month came from have they? I'm sure they don't care. If it were known, as it should be, I'm sure they would find out it's not American money. I hope they will see the light before it's too late.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:23 p.m.

Well not-a-bigot you did not get that figure about the cost of the bill you mentioned from Obama -- or from the bill or from any credible agency.

That was a right-wing nut who was pushing that interpretation. Examining the barest of research, read this quote from Wikipedia:

"A number of news outlets have referred to this bill as the "Global Poverty Tax", or, occasionally, "World Poverty Bill".

In February 2008, Cliff Kincaid of the conservative group Accuracy in Media wrote that the Global Poverty Act (S.2433) "would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid ... which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 Billion over and above what the U.S. already spends" to reduce global poverty.[1] Other outlets ran similar stories, including WorldNetDaily[2], which cites Kincaid as a source.

This, however, is false. The bill requires the president to develop a plan to implement the Millennium Development Goal of reducing the amount of people who live on less than a dollar a day. The bill makes no policy statement regarding the implementation of other Millennium Development Goals and no mention of how the bill would be funded.[3]"

I read through all 3 versions of the bill. It does address Global poverty for those populations that live on less than a dollar a day and seeks to hold the administration accountable for previous assurances but offers no figures or support goals -- only insists any president cut the BS and do what he has already been agreed we will do.

Like most of the talking points the Republicans offer -- even to their own convention -- you can see that most of them are hype and lies designed to fool some of the people some of the time. If you actually read the bill you will see that I am totally right and the source you cited is totally wrong.

If that doesn't scare you about Republicans maybe you should do some more research. After all there is no doubt about Republicans any more. The Democrats have not administered the country in 8 years, and the last time they did our country was in the black and doing pretty well. Google the bill if you want the real truth.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:28 p.m.

http://womenagainstsarahpalin.blogspot.c...

Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.

The best solution to early pre-teen & teen pregnancy is for the parents to start taking better interest & care of their children. All parents want is for their chidren to go play & not spoil their lifestyle. Whether it be lazing around the house, drinking, doing drugs or having affairs etc. This generation of parents have put their children at great danger & are so deep into themselves they don't realize their responsibility as a parent.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

Happybunny, maybe you should have done like I did and kindly show not-a-bigot what where he could get a more accurate version of the information he cited instead of congratulating him on his research. Unless of course the whole error went right over your wittle head -- and I am an elitist for noticing - He, he!

Didn't even Google it to check did you before you wrote huh? Still haven't bothered to read Obama's Plan either have you? Otherwise you would talk about something other than your simplistic ideological megapoints designed to make ostriches feel like intellectuals.

Keep it up fellas. The ones that like to read see something when I write. You just offer conclusions and get "nasty" if folks don't believe you.

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.

YEAHHUH...... I think all your googling has distorted your brain cells. You can FIND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO READ, if you google enough. Somewhere, someone is going to print what you want to read. It doesn't take too many brain cells to listen to obama to know where he's coming from and where he's headed. He and his wife both are filled with hatred for America. If you can't see that then you are one of his disciples and truly desire to follow in his footsteps. You are to be pitied, for the hero you put your trust in, even tho' he is elected, will end in disgrace with a blood bath of which America has never witnessed on her home land. obama may think he has his army lined up for day one when he steps into the White House, but he forgets that the hard working, Christian, TRUE AMERICAN FORCES, will never let him reign his evil doings on the American people. Remember that when you push that button. Evil will never survive against goodness. God will see to that.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:09 p.m.

The Obama campaign doesn’t seem to get that it is running against McCain, not Sarah Palin. They spent the entire Republican convention and the weeks since attacking the vice presidential candidate.

Is the extra healthcare coverage he would pass worth the huge tax increases he will impose? Nobody buys his claim that he will only increase taxes on a few rich people and give the rest of us tax cuts. Voters can add, and they realize that his spending plans and tax-cut promises come to a trillion dollars and that his tax increases represent only one-tenth as much. They know that everyone who pays taxes will end up paying more if Obama is elected. The question will be: Is it worth it?
Is his commitment to income redistribution and increasing tax “fairness” worth the risk his tax plans pose for the economy?

I don't think so.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:28 p.m.

A little comic relief for those so paranoid about their next President being Obama.

1: TheFrontFellOff1.wmv (video/x-ms-wmv)

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:38 p.m.

The best news recently is there is a strong possibility of the GOP gaining some much needed congressional seats. Seems the democratic candidates are trying to distance themselves from Obama and his increasing unpopularity.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:45 p.m.

You two are trying to prove my point aren't you -- that you haven't read, you don't understand anything but your fears, and that no matter what intelligent discourse is offered you that you go back to the same ideological prejudice to address everything.

So dumb, you forgot to notice your side was lying to you all along, expanded government and ran up more bills that anybody, killed thousands if not more, made your country weaker, and squandered the balanced budget Clinton gave you.

But of course someone told you long ago Democrats are tax and spend liberals and it is far too much trouble to re-think that.

Was it Lee Atwater that once said that the stupid folks in the south would come to hate Democrats like they once did Republicans and it would take them 100 years to reconsider their choice? You guys are living proof.

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

Yeahhuhhuh, Could you tell me where I can find the actual bill to read for myself. I have looked at a number of websites and I haven't found that yet. Now as far as my research goes, I have listened to debates, speeches, and forums in order to get information about the candidates from the horses mouth, so to speak. Obama has clearly said that if Pakistan doesn't go after terrorists taking refuge in their country, that we should go in and take care of it ourselves. Then last week I heard him say that he thinks that we should put more pressure on the Pakistanis to go after terrorists, but he would not even come close to saying that if they don't we should take military action. What is he really planning to do in this instance. He has said two entirely different things.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:54 p.m.

Democratic apologists are attributing Obama's slide down the polls to McCain's attack ads, as if there weren't a few little problems with Obama himself.

Obama voted to fund the war in Iraq again and again, he promised to filibuster the FISA bill, he bashed Clinton about NAFTA but voted for NAFTA-Peru himself, he promised to accept public campaign financing limits but now he won't, and the Obamabots still think they can silence every criticism by playing the same race card against McCain that they played against Hillary Clinton.

Obama isn't an empty suit... he's a suit with a con-man in it, and a lot of people are sick of hearing that he's better than McCain, as if that excuses everything.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:59 p.m.

Don't bother notabigot. huhuh will not anser your questions, he will simply refer you to the Obama website.

There you go again huhuh, calling people dumb and stupid.

Answer the question that I have continually asked you and you continue to ignore...how exactly is Obama planning to pay for all of the fairy tale promises he is making?

Both the democrats and the repulicans voted in favor of the war, you can't be one sided here.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:16 p.m.

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 2:08 p.m.

YEAHHUH...... I think all your googling has distorted your brain cells. You can FIND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO READ, if you google enough. Somewhere, someone is going to print what you want to read.<<<<< Yeppers, nomatter how much kitty litter you republicans scratch on top of it, that Turd is still down there if you dig far enough>>> It doesn't take too many brain cells to listen to obama <<<<< No, but like Yeahuhuh, he tends to talk over the heads of people like you with closed minds>>>>>>to know where he's coming from and where he's headed. He and his wife both are filled with hatred <<<< Now if that is not the "POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK" I don't know what is, you are obviously filled with hatred toward Black People who have the adacity to think that they have the same rights as you do, you Bigot>>>>>for America.(" If you can't see that then you are one of his disciples and truly desire to follow in his footsteps. You are to be pitied, for the hero you put your trust in, even tho' he is elected, will end in disgrace with a blood bath of which America has never witnessed on her home land.")<<<< Man, you really are a pittyful puppy aren't you, keep the faith though, When Obama is elected, there will be psychological help for people like you instead of just letting you roam around free.>>>>>> obama may think he has his army lined up for day one when he steps into the White House, but he forgets that the hard working, Christian, ("TRUE AMERICAN FORCES,")<<< Let me guess KKK???>>>>> will never let him reign his evil doings on the American people.<<<<< Let me try to explain this to you, Obama will be ellected and whereas one has to be an "AMERICAN" to Vote, he will be ellected by "the AMERICAN People", So, where dose that leave you and your bunch of self righious Hypercrit's??>>>>>>>Remember that when you push that button. Evil will never survive against goodness. God will see to that.<<<You had better hope that I am right, because if there is a GOD, and it is the same one described in the Bible, you are headed to hell in a Bob Sled....

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:26 p.m.

hippie, like huhuh you lend nothing to the discussion concerning the issues. I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make.

I didn't read any bigotry into destiny's post but your response does provide some insight into you and your opinion. Clearly you are a black bigot that knows nothing about this election other than you are going to elect a black/white man into the white house.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:31 p.m.

"Both the democrats and the repulicans voted in favor of the war, you can't be one sided here."

<<< Because BUSH Co./ Inc. Cooked the Inteligence. That being said though Obama didn't buy it and didn't vote for it. Once it became law though, he did Vote to support the Troops, Even the ones that were coming home shot all to pieces and Bush was trying to cut benifits for. Bush was all for the War, he just wanted to do it on the cheap so there would be more Wellfare for his Fortune 400 budies .>>>

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:41 p.m.

I think Sarah Palin did quite well in her interview with Charlie Gibson. Speaking of lack of preparation, I actually heard Obama say, "Uh, I think we've been to, Uh 57 states so far. We didn't go to Alaska and Hawaii..."

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 3:57 p.m.

notabigot --

http://www.thomas.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c1...

Three versions of the bill are there -- none of them say what the Republican spinners say. Examine what they say and compare it to the press versions on the right-wing sites and you will see a pattern about how they lie.

Making sense of Obama's statements on Pakistan indicates how he thinks as opposed to his detractors. His detractors would attempt to say it makes no sense what he says, or that he contradicts himself grievously. Not true. Further, I do believe your paraphrase of his statements in inaccurate. He did not recommend forced entry into their country as a first step upon the host country's failure -- he simply reserved the right to do so as a principle and at some point. As with Bush's leap into Iraq, there were many, many people who said that the peaceful process was not exhausted, and Bush took effort to actually sabotage it so he could go to war.

The initial statements you refer to were made while Musharif was acting leader. The leadership has now changed significantly. Even the Bush administration is tailoring it's actions cautiously on Pakistani government changes. Obama knows he will be able to work with those in office now even better than with Musharif's corrupt anti-democratic regime that was the treasured Bush/McCain ally. Obama's position is as follows:

If there is no other way, then we should go in and use actionable intelligence -- he simply acknowledged that point as an indicator of his view of our rights to act as a nation IF NECESSARY -- but for Obama there are many ways to prevail without doing that, since he has far more gift of gab and is not opposed to talking to his enemies or friends. McCain has already indicated a militant approach as a political position but when you look at McCain's statements on Pakistani incursion they are not really any different from Obamas.

The primary thrust of so much of the country is that war and conflict are inevitable -- Obama is smart enough to know that war is often avoidable and opportunities for other solutions are too often missed by the people in office now and their supporters. Except for Afghanistan, every "war" since Korea has been totally optional and a choice made by presidents for all the reasons they make them, including getting elected -- but not for national defense against attack.

Obama has more credibility for peacemaking than McCain -- who is widely seen even overseas as Bush's lackey on warfare matters. Obamas choice would therefore present options not available to a more militant individual who already supports Bush's failed policies

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4 p.m.

happybunny, you need to quit while you are behind, but then that would take intelligence and you have proven time after time to be devoid of that. That is the only possible explimation for this statement;("I didn't read any bigotry into destiny's post"). Then you weren't content with that display of illiteracy, you had to go further with this;("Clearly you are a black bigot that knows nothing about this election other than you are going to elect a black/white man into the ") See bunny, if you had any intelligence at all you would have realized when you wrote that piece of crap, that you were revealing YOUR BIGOTRY,( which would explain why you didn't recognize it in destny's post) I realize that this is entirely to complicated for you to comprehend, but some of the other posters here will get it. BTW, my ethnicity is French, Irish and American Indian,(Choctaw), sorry, no BLACK, hate to dis-apoint you........

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:03 p.m.

I personally didn't think Palin answered the questions in her interviews, but gave doublespeak and distorted answers. But Palin knows as do all Republicans that they need not be truthful or honest in order to win the election. In fact they have long operated on the premise that it is more important to be liked than to be honest -- otherwise they would not have tried to hide Palin's very successful earmark lobbying efforts with rhetoric that she is an earmark fighter.

Happybunny you are a slow learner -- I am going to start ignoring you. You act like if you can't understand or I don't jump through your hoop that makes you right -- trying it again makes you stupid, as I have already replied to you about your whining rant. Stop repeating yourself -- it looks stupid.

Notice how not-a-bigot gets replied to sanely because he is not being a dung-wad? If you act stupid and belligerent I will call you stupid and belligerent. Everything's not about you and your sacred views of old south wisdom, rabbit. Learn to deal with facts and people will respect you more.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:16 p.m.

oldhippie--Barack HUSSEIN Obama didn't vote for the war. You are correct about that. However, you statement makes it sound like was a US Senator when war was voted on.

**Newsflash** He was NOT a US Senator. So he could not have voted for or against. But he probably wouldn't have voted...much like all the other votes he neglected.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:29 p.m.

"Obama say, "Uh, I think we've been to, Uh 57 states so far."

<< Yes, and you also heard it explained that he hadn't had much rest and was obviously very tired. Palin, on the other hand was fully rested when she said that if Russia moved troops into Georgia, "WE" would be obligated to defend them. She said this without confering with our NATO Allies, or even the Man that is going to be President,( if elected). It should also be noted here that the reason for the last dust up in Georgia was the fact that the President of Georgia sent his Army into that break away Provence, where Russia had Pease keeping troops and started shooting and blowing up buildings, whereupon Russia responded and dusted their butts. We need to keep in mind that while the Soviet Union is dead, Russia still has enough Nuclear Weapons to destroy every man, woman and child in this Country, even if BUSHIE"S Defence Shield was to get lucky and hit one or two of them.>>>

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:30 p.m.

So there you go Oldhippie. notfromnatchez told you you were right but you are STILL wrong.

That proves he has more character and wisdom than you do.

God Bless America. Democrats = blacks = taxes = anti-God = take my guns = communists = queers = marrying your pets = socialism = Jane Fonda = weak military = Democrats = blacks = queers..... You get the idea -- all bad.

Even if Republicans were bad and lied about everything they would still be good and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for acting like a communist queer is better than a hard-workin southern white man who goes to church and feels about black folks the way he should. You don't see a cow mating with a lion do you -- folks aint supposed to mix.

God-fearing southern folks ain't about to be fooled about the Democratic Party.

(See I can talk like ignerunt fools, too, He,he!)

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:36 p.m.

Oh no, please say it isn't so...you are going to ignore me!!!

Give me a break, you go on and on, usually saying nothing and using large words to give you the air of intelligence. I would venture to say that you have an incredibly low self esteem and try to combat that by attempting to belittle people because of their political views. I do my homework and know why I am voting the way that I am.

Likewise, not everything is about you and your nonsensical opinions.

Now please do not forget that you are ignoring me, I welcome the break.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:40 p.m.

"(See I can talk like ignerunt fools, too, He,he!)"

<<< Damn, you're good, I'll Vote for you, what are you running for, the State Line?? LOL I haven't seen that one yet, if it's half as bad as your explimation, I don't know if I want to, LOL........>>

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 4:48 p.m.

Actually she was asked if Georgia and The Ukraine should be admitted to NATO and she said yes. Gibson then asked if they are admitted, then would we be obligated to defend them and she said yes. If you don't listen to that interview very carefully you may misundertand it. I've had to go back and listen to some parts of it more than once.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:09 p.m.

notfromnatchez , You are correct sir, he was in the iIl. State Senate, but he was running for the US Senate and he spoke out publicly against a "Stupid War". Turns out, he was right and everyone else was wrong. He also said that if he was elected President that he would start responsibly drawing down our forces in Iraq and increasing our presence in Afganistan. All of the Republicans jumped up on their soap boxes and lambasted him as some kind of Trator, then the Iraque People, through their Prim Minester said that they wanted a "Time Line" for us to leave. Then the "DECIDER" decided that was a good idea. then Last week "General Petraus" the "Republicans War God" SAID that we needed to send more troops to Afganistan, DUH, SO, it looks like OBAMA was RIGHT again and the republicans was WRONG again, Do you see a patern developing here??>>

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.

"they are admitted, then would we be obligated to defend them and she said yes."

<<< You are probably right notabigot and I know that she hasn't had any forign policy experience, but some one in McCain's Camp should have told her NOT to comment on Hypotheticals, especially concerning a confrotation with Russia>>>>>>>>>

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:40 p.m.

What does Barack HUSSEIN Obama mean by "responsibly"? When he started running, after his short stint as a junior senator who hasn't finished his first term, he implied that he would bring the troops home immediately. Now it is responsibly...what's next?

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 5:54 p.m.

September 15, 2008
Powell still undecided, says Obama win would be 'electrifying'
Posted: 06:11 PM ET

Powell, a Republican, has said he may not back the GOP pick this cycle.
(CNN) — Former Bush Secretary of State Colin Powell said Monday that he has not yet decided which candidate to back in this year’s presidential race.

The election of an African-American president “would be electrifying,” Powell told a George Washington University audience, “but at the same time [I have to] make a judgment here on which would be best for America.

“I have been watching both individuals, I know them both extremely well, and I have not decided who I am going to vote for. And I'm interested to see what the debates are going to be like because we have to get off of this ‘lipstick on a pig’ stuff and get into issues,” he said.

Powell's full comments will air on “The Next President: A World of Challenges” this Saturday night at 9pm ET and again Sunday at 2pm ET.

Last month, as the retired general’s office denied a report that he had decided to publicly back Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention, several sources told CNN’s John King that Powell was still undecided. “As always, he is holding his cards close and waiting for more information," one adviser close to Powell told CNN’s John King.

Earlier this year, Powell told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that he was weighing an endorsement of a Democrat or independent candidate. “I am keeping my options open at the moment,” said Powell.

“I have voted for members of both parties in the course of my adult life. And as I said earlier, I will vote for the candidate I think can do the best job for America, whether that candidate is a Republican, a Democrat, or an independent,” he added.

Powell also offered praise for Obama, calling him an “exciting person on the political stage.

“He has energized a lot of people in America,” said Powell, who briefly weighed his own run for the White House in the mid-1990s. “He has energized a lot of people around the world. And so I think he is worth listening to and seeing what he stands for.”

Last month, a Powell adviser told CNN that "he likes and admires John McCain, and that would be a factor in anything he does if he decides to get more involved."

Another source close to Powell said that he has known McCain for more than three decades “and likes him, and is looking for a reason to vote for him. He hasn't found it yet."

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 6:06 p.m.

"What does Barack HUSSEIN Obama mean by "responsibly"?" <<< Well, I haven't spoken to the Man personally about this subject, but just on the face of it, I would Assume that would include withdrawing the same way Petraus did in anwar Porvence. Let Iraque's take over the Policing and Military Duty's and withdrawing our Troops. Probably to Kuwait first, then either Home or Afganistan,( where the REAL TERRORIST are).

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 7:38 p.m.

Yeahuhuh, This just in !! Carl Rove says that McCain's Adds are such blatant lies as to be un- believable.

Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 7:40 p.m.

It seems to me oldhippie01 is having flashback from his hippie days!

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:01 p.m.

Hey happybunny, don't get your hopes up. I've been told by some on here that they are going to ignore me and it never happened. If only we could have a real discussion without all the hatred and accusations someday. Have a blessed night ya'll.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:19 p.m.

old hippie...it's Karl Rove with a K...he also didn't say, "McCain's Adds are such blatant lies as to be un- believable"...he did say, "McCain has gone, in some of his ads, similarly gone one step too far in sort of attributing to Obama things that are, you know, beyond the 100% truth test."...your version versus the truth is, well, a blatant lie!

It was also taken out of contest...the conversation was about attack ads on TV and he thought that both sides were guilty.

You and Yeahuhuh keep it up...we're giving you the rope...hang yourselves if you feel driven to...I must thank you though you're making our case for us that the Dems are self-destructive...hee, hee, hee!

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:21 p.m.

Well Yeahuhuh and I both know that a lie is only a lie if a Democrat tells it. If a republican tells a lie, it's called "Spin" or some other lie. The Chickens are coming to Roost though, the Stock Market down 500 points today and nobody knows how much further down it will go. To top it off McCain said that the economy was "still fundamentally sound".

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:54 p.m.

oldhippie...your first two sentences are rhetorical, incorrect and lies...you said it I didn't.

The stock market is a market...after the savings and loan crisis the market went down quickly and then came back to become one of the best bull markets ever...it will happen this time too...whatever has been lost will be made up in spades...that's what McCain is saying, the economy IS fundamentally sound...there is no need to pull a Chicken Little reenactment.

Another scare tactic by the Dems...I choose to believe in the most truthful thing a Democrat ever said..."We have nothing to fear, but fear itself"...FDR.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 9:59 p.m.

Here's some facts on the economy for you, with charts and graphs and not mine. Its not from Bill Oriley at FIX News though so you probably can't read it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/hale-stewa...

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 10:16 p.m.

Ain't gonna even look...from the Bluffington Post?...get real...that's almost as corrupt as the Daily Koz...can't you guys quote anyone but the above-mentioned and the New York Times?...come back with something credible.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:22 a.m.

While, AIG is having a financial meltdown http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idU...

and Hewlitt Packard is laying off 24,600 employees http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/i...

yall have been at it all day covering lies for your party, and probably about to get DVT
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_...

but not to worry, Japan and China are coming to the rescue http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2...

Now would be a good time to turn off the computer, walk around a bit, and then go prop up those feet and legs. LOL, take care of you for a change.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:39 a.m.

((Posted by dixiemama (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.

The best solution to early pre-teen & teen pregnancy is for the parents to start taking better interest & care of their children. All parents want is for their chidren to go play & not spoil their lifestyle. Whether it be lazing around the house, drinking, doing drugs or having affairs etc. This generation of parents have put their children at great danger & are so deep into themselves they don't realize their responsibility as a parent.))

DixieMama you've finally come to your senses and see the McCains and Palins as they really are. I'm so glad for you.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:43 a.m.

destiny dream on. McCain is trying to lie his way into the White House and Christian people are bothered by his and Palin's lies.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:41 a.m.

Peace...Hewlett Packard is simply being competitive in a free market...they bought out EDS and there was redundancy...they are also absorbing the personel losses over three years to absorb the employee problem with attrition by retirement.

HP also might have been driven by competition:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB12215014...

Not to mention their own desire to gain market share on IBM.

AIG shouldn't get a bail out...they simply over-extended and the market will make them pay...just like Merrill Lynch and Lehman. That lesson IS regulation. The Japanese and Chinese know a bargain when they see it...it's time to buy!

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:44 a.m.

Peace...how dare you speak for Christians?...I, for one, am not bothered by McCain's and Palin's lies because there haven't been any...I am, however, bothered by yours.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:55 a.m.

"The Japanese and Chinese know a bargain when they see it...it's time to buy!"

<<< Oh really?? How about the Associated press, I know it's not "FIX news", but I don't go there as I prefer news to "Propaganda".>>>

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26715864

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:39 a.m.

You have to wonder about a candidate that is endorsed by Hamas and other extremists.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:09 a.m.

Yeah and you don't have to wonder much about a candidate that is endorsed by the entire former membership of the KKK and that sort of extremist -- and they live right here at home.

I'm sorry -- maybe you said that about Hamas because you wanted to pretend that extremists don't support McCain. I'm sorry I should have not brought that up -- my bad, bro`.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:26 a.m.

Oh please samMo, you would be the only one then who hasn't figured out the lies that have been exposed on national TV news. If God wants McCain and Palin in the White House, as they would like for us to think, neither one of them would have to tell lies. Maybe it's McCain's people who are spinning the lies, but McCain approves them. Palin is reading a teleprompter, but even she should notice when the truth is not being told. Last night on the news reporters were asking if McCain and Palin were willing to sell their souls to purchase the White House.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:36 a.m.

"You have to wonder about a candidate that is endorsed by Hamas and other extremists." <<< Other extremists?? Would that include Countrys like France and Germany? Remember them??

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:47 a.m.

The Obama test, interesting, please take it. I disagreed with him 91%.

http://www.barackobamatest.com/

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:53 a.m.

If you take it, when you're done, make sure you look at your answers compared to Obama's at the end of the test and pay close attention to his response compared to "All Americans"

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:05 a.m.

"I'm sorry -- maybe you said that about Hamas because you wanted to pretend that extremists don't <<<<<<<<support >>McCain."<<<<<< SUPPORT is the key word here Yeahuhuh. The Cluck cluck's "SUPPORT" McCain /Palin and Hamas MAY "ENDORSE" Obama, but Obama hasn't recieved any "SUPPORT" from them.

Another veteran of the Swift Boat campaign against John Kerry has indicated he will not participate in financing ads attacking Democrat Barack Obama.

Already, Texas oilman T. Boone Pickens said in interviews that he would bow out to pursue a campaign to end the nation's dependence on foreign oil. Now a second major donor, Texas billionaire Sam Wyly, who has given about $10 million to Republican candidates and causes since the 1970s, has said publicly he will not participate in independent group efforts to tarnish Obama this year.

Fascist writer Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist who Sarah Palin approvingly quoted in her acceptance speech for the moral superiority of small town values, expressed his fervent hope about my father, Robert F. Kennedy, as he contemplated his own run for the presidency in 1965, that "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies."

It might be worth asking Governor Palin for a tally of the other favorites from her reading

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:08 a.m.

On the contrary hippie, he did receive their support and once discovered, had to send it back (which he may or may not have done).

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:25 a.m.

" once discovered, send it back" << I rest my case>>>

"(which he may or may not have done)." << You know as well as I do that the Republican Party knows the answer to that question, because if he had not sent it back, they would spread it all over the World, Get real>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:35 a.m.

Old news but since it seems to be the topic at the moment.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/o...

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:36 a.m.

I agree with the following comments and I approve this message:

The Economy: It is "fundamentally" so bad that even wealthy Republicans are losing money. Declining stock investments, Difficulty borrrowing money. Declining home values.

The middle class American is also having difficulty with high gas prices, high food prices, their smaller homes devalued, high mortgage rates.

The less fortunate are out of work, more lay offs. Yes, the economy is in meltdown mode and will not get better by November 4th. The banking/mortgage market collapse rests at the feet of Phil Gramm, McCain's economic advisor. There is no question about it. On CBS McCain lied over and over again regarding the GOP's desire to regulate. It was a "sin".

Thinking of lying. Since the Republicans continue to indiscriminately lie. I'm wondering if FactCheck could be used in the Debates? The debators give an answer and when it does not fit the facts, the moderator do a follow-up on the lie. The technology is there. We have never had an election with so many blantant lies and the only way they will be stopped is for someone to call them on it, right then...in front of the viewing audience.

The country cannot have another administration that lies, disregards supeonas, covers up truth. It is indeed time for a change in economics and the way government does business.

McCain spokesman said that Palin is unlikely to cooperate with investigators looking into the matter of whether or not she improperly attempted to fire a state trooper who was her former brother-in-law. Previously (before becoming vp pick), Palin had said she and her staff would cooperate fully with the probe, which has been dubbed "Troopergate." I guess that's just one more example of her flip flops, like bridge to nowhere, and earmarks.

What happened to reforming government? What happened to transparency and holding people accountable? Being secretive and running from investigators is NOT new - it's the exact same method of operation that the Bush/Cheney administration employed.

More. Of. The. Same.

Palin is just as corrupt as all the other politicians that she's been railing against.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:41 a.m.

happy -- I know I threatened to ignore you but here goes a question --

Do you think that Obama Test was a real test or a fabrication of Obama's opponents?

I'm just wondering. You seem to be one of those people who surf the web looking for biased sites that make you feel good about what you already think. In fact I can hardly remember a link you posted that was anything other than a site for the biased by the biased.

Do you not recognize when someone is blowing smoke up you patoot or do you just like the feeling?

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:48 a.m.

"Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:47 a.m.

The Obama test, interesting, please take it. I disagreed with him 91%.

<<<<< Bunny, you really need to get out more. Do you really think that anyone with more than a teaspoon full of Brains wouldn't instantly recognize that test was written,( or should I say "Rigged"), by the Republican Party, around ONE ISSUE. The American people are not that Shallow dear. Us Democrats also know that all the Polls that are being circulated are being "RIGGED" by the "MEDIA COMPANYS, to keep the Campaign Dollars rolling in. They do this by ignoring the Democrats Voter Regestration surg and adding Known Republican participants to get the results to come out the way they want them to. The closer they make the "RACE" look the more Money both Parties will spend, simple math. I know you don't want to believe that, but just wait and see..

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:52 a.m.

The economy is in the tank, then by all means, let's tax corportate America and create an even larger loss of jobs.

The mortgage crisis was created by non-bank entities conning people into mortgages they could not afford as well as the housing bubble that we all expected to burst. There is no way the housing market could have sustained itself at that level of growth. Who got hung...the poor folks that were conned and the banks and finance companies involved in lending the money to them. In addition, commercial banks involved heavily in retail lending got caught because the values of the homes decreased and they were making a lot of Home Equity lines at 90-100% loan to value. Second behind those unscrupulous lenders that created the mass quantaties of foreclosures. They gambled and lost.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 10:53 a.m.

Regardless hippie, it still allows you to compare your views with those of Obama's.

Just out of curiosity, what was your score?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:03 a.m.

No it does not allow you to compare your views with Obama. It allows you to compare your views with someone who misrepresents Obama's views in order to make you think Obama does not think like you do.

C'mon Bunny. You cannot be that dumb. Put a smiley face or something at the end of your posts if you are really kidding -- and I hope you are.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:05 a.m.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 15, 2008 at 8:01 p.m.

Hey happybunny, don't get your hopes up. I've been told by some on here that they are going to ignore me and it never happened. If only we could have a real discussion without all the hatred and accusations someday. Have a blessed night ya'll.

I guess you're right freedom...I'm an irresistable little happybunny!

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

I am middle class. I am able to purchase a home and keep it. I am financially better now than I was 8 years ago. I have no fear of losing my job.

The economy is a fluid system. It goes up and down. It is a self-correcting system.

The economy is going to go back up no matter who the president is. If it's McCain, the democrats will find something else complain about. If it is Barack HUSSEIN Obama, democrats will say it was because of his presidency.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:18 a.m.

Well, happy Yeahuhuh beat me to it. My answer to your absurd statement is the same as his. I loved the way they use the phrase,( "SOME SAY") that way they can't be acused of lying, it was whoever said it originally that lied, they just repeated the lie, because the truth wouldn't work right...........

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:20 a.m.

Well the two of you certainly have similar viewpoints, two peas in a pod.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:27 a.m.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:06 a.m.

" I am middle class. I am able to purchase a home and keep it. I am financially better now than I was 8 years ago. I have no fear of losing my job.

The economy is a fluid system. It goes up and down. It is a self-correcting system.

The economy is going to go back up no matter who the president is. If it's McCain, the democrats will find something else complain about. If it is Barack HUSSEIN Obama, democrats will say it was because of his presidency."

Personally Sir, I think you are a lying sack of Crap, but in case I am wrong about that, then YOU should Vote Republican. However, if you are one of the 85% of Americans that are much worse off than they were eight years ago, then you would be a damn Fool to Vote for four more.................

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:28 a.m.

notfromnatchez -- That HUSSEIN name fascinates you doesn't it? Do you think that makes him look like a MUSLIM for you to write that that way? I bet some ignorant people make that assumption and I bet you like it.

I just love your apology for Bush's policies. And how easily you seem to dismiss the effects of policy. How could you worry about an economy under Hussein? It will be just as sound as the one you refer to.

Happy, read this next part very carefully. I wrote it just for you, he,he!

.....

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:34 a.m.

" Well the two of you certainly have similar viewpoints,"

<<<< I'm sure we disagree on some things, but when it comes to picking up on Republical lies, we can spot one of those coming before it even gets there, because they all use the same "Code Words".........

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m.

Hippie--who the hell do you think you are calling me a lying sack of crap? YOU don't know me or my situation.

My life is better and the only way it will get worse is if Obama is elected. I don't like his idea of cutting military funding...that will definitely effect me and my pocketbook.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:55 a.m.

notfromnatchez, don't take it personally. I agree with you on the economy, the economy has always been cyclical, it's called the business cycle. The GDP does not grow at a smooth steady pace. Instead it goes through periods of accelaration and retardation. Expansions are increases in business activity while contractions are declines in business activty. An economy must experience two consecutive quarters of contraction before it can be considered to be in a recession.
Many theories have been suggested regarding the cause of business cycles: underconsumption, oversaving, an inelastic or elastic money supply, the flaws of capitalism, the rise of large monopolistic firms, war, politics, and self-fulfilling expectations (such as the housing market).
It's a never ending cycle and will eventually get back into an expansionary phase. The effects of corporate taxation and personal income taxes have a direct effect on the timeliness of the correction.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:04 p.m.

NOW, no Palin http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gq0D...

but what all of you republicans may really need to worry more about is http://www.nationalenquirer.com/_palin_f...
because it's at the grocery market check-outs

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:13 p.m.

"My life is better and the only way it will get worse is if Obama is elected. I don't like his idea of cutting military funding...that will definitely effect me and my pocketbook."

What you sayin notfrom, are you a military contractor? Or somehow dependent on the government money that flows from military spending? No wonder!

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:26 p.m.

Peace, you seem to have a problem with attractive, sucessful women. You don't like Cindy McCain or Sarah Palin. How do you feel about Michelle Obama? While you are googling to beat the band, do you think you could look around and see why Michelle Obama had time to go dance on "Ellen" but was not at the 9-11 events with her husband and John and Cindy McCain? BTW, it's just plain mean and petty to pick on a little 7 year old girl.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:34 p.m.

Yeahuhuh--I am a member of the Armed Services.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:36 p.m.

So go ahead and attack me for being in the military. I know thats coming.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 12:59 p.m.

Bless you and bless our military for all they do to keep our country safe.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:17 p.m.

I am not going to attack you for being in the military. I am a vet myself.

I have 4 personal friends who are active military, and all of them feel betrayed by their Commander in Chief about Iraq. They were not very political before one particular thing happened.

The point for nearly all of them came when Bush indicated that Abu Graib was done by a few bad apples, when actually things were pretty much send down that way -- to torture -- from the top.

Nobody in the Republican Party had the cahones to stand up and call Bush out for that and I don't think my friends will ever forget that fact.

McCain stood briefly against torture as a tactic but has seemed to be ok as long as Bush claims waterboarding, freezing folks and loud noise are not torture.

My friends saw Bush's error as a way of ducking a commander's responsibility and putting it on the soldier. They have not accepted a thing the president says as fact since then, feeling they have become a political tool to be sacrificed.

If you think that is OK, or if you don't think McCain was a chump for staying silent that is your right. But I don't understand how any soldier who actually does the research could feel well-treated by the GOP.

They need war as a political tool, need a scared population, and can never get what they want from international cooperation on their terms so instead of diplomacy they carry a big stick -- our military men -- who mostly want to defend the country and not be used in political shenanigans and ideological wars.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:27 p.m.

notabigot, I just thought it was funny when the little girl licked her hand and smoothed the baby's hair at the RNC and I hope she don't do that in Alaska, her hand could freeze and get stuck to the baby's head. I wasn't picking on her, but I think her mother was foolish to expose the baby to all the germs at the RNC. I also think the baby is a very sound sleeper. I do not have a problem with attractive successful women; I do have a problem with attractive successful women lying to win the White House. And if you can't understand that, then you're the one with a problem.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:28 p.m.

Great comments as usual Yeahuhuh, thank you.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:30 p.m.

Thank you for your service notfrom. I have many friends in the military.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 11:36 a.m.

Hippie--who the hell do you think you are calling me a lying sack of crap?<<<<<< What I actually said was that "It was my personal opinion" >>>>>> YOU don't know me or my situation. <<<< I do now and I understand why YOU are better off than YOU were eight years ago. I spent eight years in the Military during the Viet Nam era, Promtion rates go sky high during Wars as your superiors get killed off it leaves openings for you to move up over their dead bodies. You are right, you would NOT do as well under an Obama adminestration, so by all means Vote for the Chicken Hawk McCain.>>>>>>>

My life is better and the only way it will get worse is if Obama is elected. I don't like his idea of cutting military funding...that will definitely effect me and my pocketbook.<<< Once again, you don't know what you are talking about. Obama has said nothing about cutting Military Spending, What he HAS said is that he is going to cut Spending on the Iraq WAR, by bringing most of our Troops Home, sending MORE to Afganistan, Spending MORE to take BETER CARE of the ones coming home Crippeled up, Phisically and Mentally AND giving ALL a PAY RAISE. You need to get your facts straight and If you continue th get your information from Rush Limp Balls and "FIX news" that won't happen. Thank you for your service, but you are not doing it for me, I can take care of me and mine...>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:35 p.m.

Speaking of political tests, I hear that AARP has one in their magazine which is sent out to many many senior citizens.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:38 p.m.

oldhippie, it could be that notfrom needs to investigate what McCain has approved and disapproved for the military and veterans.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:40 p.m.

Well I have done research. I think the GOP is the way to go. This is an all volunteer force. EVERYONE who joins knows what they are getting into. They can't say they didn't.

In the 13 years, I have served things have been good under a GOP president. When Clinton was president, the do more with less crap started and it sucked. It is hard to employ a forces when you make cuts.

It's been mentioned before that our troops were sent in ill-prepared without the necessary equipment. That goes back to the cuts made by the Clinton administration.

Peace--are you serious about "her hand could freeze and get stuck to the baby's head."? Are you that daft?

You obviously don't know what it is like to live in Alaska...and before you say anything...I have lived in Alaska.

And yes...it does sound like you are attacking a child.

On a different note...

Thanks for the support, Peace and Bunny.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:45 p.m.

"Speaking of political tests, I hear that AARP has one in their magazine which is sent out to many many senior citizens."

<<< You are correct Peace, but it was formulated by the same people as formulated Happy's, only with a little more sutelity, because they know that us Seniors didn't just get off of a Turnip Green Truck. That "RP", in AARP dosn't represent "Retired Persons". They are an Insurance Company pure and simple>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:46 p.m.

I really don't think anyone in America wants to attack anyone enlisted in the military. Most Americans appreciate that you have enlisted. Most Americans realize who give you the orders that you must follow if you are to stay enlisted. Most Americans want you to be safe and to only be sent to war as a last resort. What you fail to understand is that all Americans don't think that the war in Iraq was a last resort, but they don't blame the enlisted men and women, they blame the order givers for risking your lives. And that makes us wonder how much they really value your service. We love enlisted men and women, that's what we want you to realize. We want you safe.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:50 p.m.

Hippie...I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh. He is WAY too conservative for me. I am not very conservative. I was raised to believe in the Democrats. All my family still votes Democrat. As I got older and researched both sides, I seem to fall in line with many Republican beliefs. I never vote straight Republican. But in the case of the presidency...I can't bring myself to vote for Obama. I was on the fence until I heard his acceptance speech. I was not blown away. I was left wondering...WTF?!?!?! He lost my vote that night. He made claims that were false and then some of his plans are not feasible. He came across as showing you one hand while doing something with his other.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:55 p.m.

People do love to argue!
McCAIN / PALIN '08
That's my final statement on the whole shooting match, for which I will bring my own guns thank you very much.
No one on here is going to change anyone elses mind, unfortunately. Those who are stupid will just have to stay that way. Hang in there Bunny and Notfrom.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:56 p.m.

Well I do admit that I have never lived in Alaska, but I've heard that even in New Hampshire you can grab hold of a doorknob and your hand can freeze to the doorknob. I figure that it's much colder in Alaska. Didn't any of your friends ever stick their tongue to a flagpole? Look, I didn't make any of the youtube video clips, I simply found them online. I did watch the republican convention and I know that it was real footage from national TV. I'm sorry if I offended anyone by finding the clip humorous, but even so, it isn't as harsh as some of the past humor against the Clinton or Obama children.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.

"It's been mentioned before that our troops were sent in ill-prepared without the necessary equipment. That goes back to the cuts made by the Clinton administration."

<<<< I don't doubt that, because after all you didn't need Body Armor, or Armored Humvees to play War Games and Clinton didn't have designes on Invading Iraq. That don't excuse Bush Co. Inc. for throwing those guys into a House to House battle ground un-prepaired. There wasn't any rush, Sadam wasn't going anywhere and Bush KNEW that he didn't have any WMD's, so what was the hurry. Could it have been that he was afraid that the information he was covering up would leak to the Congress and he would miss his Chance? I think so......>>

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 1:57 p.m.

My wife was the same way.

She follows a lot of the Democratic lines. She believes gays should be allowed to marry...she supports a woman's choice...but she can't bring herself to vote for Obama.

His policies just don't jive and she sees it too.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2 p.m.

What humor about the Obama children?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:12 p.m.

Kudos notfrom on your not being too political and not a ticket Republican.

The parties are too much like each other, or they have been for a long time. You need to understand that both lie about who they are, and every few years you have to punish the side that was just too crooked or too installed. Otherwise they get in and you can't get them out. It's strategic voting a military man should understand well. Republicans are PISS-POOR about policing their own. If you don't throw them out they will use the same deceptions incessantly as long as they work.

It's like Johnson's escalation of Vietnam, proving that both sides use the miltary. The Goldwater Republicans were chomping at the bit to get nuclear with Vietnam and Johnson claimed he did what he did to prevent them being able to falsely label him a coward, win an election and start a holocost.

It's a shame that Nixon sabotaged the Paris talks to win the election, or the war could have been finished on better terms, we could have avoided 4 more years, and what we finished with could have been closer to a win. If none of that sounds familiar to you read some more.

Almost every conflict since then has also been used in an attempt to win elections by Republicans -- to the detriment of the soldier.

The ultimate result -- terrorists strike us back in reprisal for military projects in their homelands, and the Republicans lie and tell us they "hate our freedom". A more honest answer would be that want us to never use our military in their back yard, or overthrow their governments to ensure we get cheap oil.

We won't be getting cheap oil any more anyway. And if we don't stop killing more innocents than they kill of us, then we will never stop terrorists either.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:15 p.m.

" wondering...WTF?!?!?! He lost my vote that night. He made claims that were false and then some of his plans are not feasible. He came across as showing you one hand while doing something with his other."

<<<<Obama was not my first choice either notfrom, but he Is IMHO the best choice left. As for the rest, people running for that job have hundreds of people telling them what all the different groups want to hear, so it becomes a ballancing act. Once they get the Job, then they can do what they think is the best thing for the Country,( assuming Congress will let them). Once they get the Job then they can hire the smartest people in the World on every aspect of Government to advise them, to help them come to the right decisions. Obama Graduated from Law School at the top of his Class and could have walked straight into a six figure job, but turned it down to help a bunch of poor people at twelve grand a year. I respect a man like that.

Posted by time4change (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:17 p.m.

I agree with oldhippie:

<<<<Obama was not my first choice either notfrom, but he Is IMHO the best choice left. As for the rest, people running for that job have hundreds of people telling them what all the different groups want to hear, so it becomes a ballancing act. Once they get the Job, then they can do what they think is the best thing for the Country,( assuming Congress will let them). Once they get the Job then they can hire the smartest people in the World on every aspect of Government to advise them, to help them come to the right decisions. Obama Graduated from Law School at the top of his Class and could have walked straight into a six figure job, but turned it down to help a bunch of poor people at twelve grand a year. I respect a man like that.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:26 p.m.

((Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2 p.m.

What humor about the Obama children?))

here's one notfrom http://www.borowitzreport.com/article.as...

I'd find you more links, but I don't have time right now.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:48 p.m.

Can't find the link that shows the commercial.

It sounds fake.

The link you sent was from someone who specializes in Satire.

provide the link to an actual clip and i will check it out.

But nice try...

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 2:52 p.m.

Aw Peace he's an old man and he is desperately trying to attain his dream.

Cut him some slack if he lies like a whipped dog, and who ever expected him to not use Republican tactics?

My only wonder is how is he going to convince us he is the reformer if he uses the same old Republican lies to get elected?

I swear elections are like the same play every 4 years. Republicans pretend they're a reformer then lie like a dog. Democrats are incredulous when the Republicans lie like they did last election and sit on their hands being polite till it's too late.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 3:04 p.m.

Yes that does appear to be a satire site, is that what you meant by humor about the children??

My other comment still stands, though.

I remember the joke McCain told about Chelsea Clinton being fathered by Janet Reno and that was why she was so ugly.

Also his joke about the woman who was multiple raped by the gorilla and liked it so much she didn't consider it an assault.

Good taste has certainly prevailed to not remind us about those brilliant ones from McCain the wise. If we hung him on history we would have called him a sexist old toad by now.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 3:05 p.m.

GOP stoops to new low in Michigan;

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16...

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 3:17 p.m.

Yes the suit on caging is ordinary Republican politics.

In fact the entire issue of illegal voters has never amounted to much, in the process of cleaning the voter rolls they prevent more legal votes than illegal votes. They know that -- that is why they do it.

The reason they use the tactic is that the lists they offer for caging were already selected to decimate groups or areas that tend to not vote Republican so they are a safe bet for tipping the election.

The ordinary Republican supporter does not care about democracy and entrusts their party to win however they will.

If they cared about democracy they would squawk when their own party violates democratic principles, jams phones to keep voters at home, uses judges to decide elections, etc. You never hear them complain about those things.

Posted by time4change (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:18 p.m.

If you like the way the economy has been run under President Bush's policies, then you should vote for for Senator McCain. McCain would be a continuation of the Bush policies. But if you want change, not commissions, which is chump change, then vote for Obama. Senator Obama is the only hope for real change.

McCain admits he still doesn't know how to use a computer, can't send an e-mail. Still doesn't understand the economy. And favors $200 billion in new tax cuts for corporations but almost nothing for the middle class. McCain laughed when he heard the joke that he invented the blackberry, and when asked whether he prefers a Mac or PC in a Yahoo News/Politico interview earlier this year, McCain admitted: "Neither. I am an illiterate that has to rely on my wife for all of the assistance that I can get."

After one president who was out of touch ... we just can't afford more of the same.

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:25 p.m.

time4achange, My father is 72 years old and still works at least a 40 hour week. He is one of the most productive, active people I know. He does not use a computer because he is physically unable to because of a physical problem that affects his hands. He has someone to do the computer work for him. I understand that McCain has trouble with his hands and arms because of some North Vietnamese guys and it is extremely uncomfortable for him to use a keyboard for and extended period of time. He has someone who does the computer work for him. I don't mind people discussing politics, but being cruel, which that computer crack about McCain is, is just not necessary and is pointless. I am waiting for someone to ask Obama how he feels about age discrimination.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:34 p.m.

I'm sure Obama feels comfortable with age discrimination, he is already discriminating against gender.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:38 p.m.

Just a curiosity -- I already know the answer -- there has been a lot of speculation here about how Obama would pay for his programs. Obama has laid that out fairly well on his website what he plans though doing it is far from easy.

What I wonder is how John McCain plans to extend tax cuts permanently to the wealthy, promote tax cuts to the middle class, finance his big rout of profiteering and greed he talks about so much, continue the fight in Iraq for as long as he can get permission to, AND whittle down the deficit that Bush created.

That is the equasion that doesn't add up.

If this was 30 years ago he could play like Reagan and say that decreased taxes would increase economic activity and the lower taxes on higher income would pay for everything. Republicans have tried that for 20 of the last 28 years and it never works. George Bush just tried it and ran up more red ink than anyone in history.

So exactly how does McCain propose he can pull off his plan?

"I won't tolerate a system that puts you and your family at risk."

How can McCain avoid facing health care and make that statement truthfully? He can't. He doesn't understand what risk means for the average man.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:42 p.m.

I'm sorry huhuh, did you say something?

Posted by notabigot (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:43 p.m.

Yeahhuhuh, two weeks ago I went to Obama's website to read his plan and had no problem getting to it. Now I have to give my email adress and zip code to get into it. Do you know why. Is there any Obama website I can get to without providing this information?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 4:56 p.m.

Yes notabigot, they have changed the site somewhat.

If you type in barackobama.com you will be redirected to their signup page.

At the bottom right corner is a link that says "skip signup Go to the website" . The site has been reworked and has a lot of information. It may take a while to sort through it.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 5:11 p.m.

notabigot, you might like this article better.

I would not recommend it as the gospel, but it is much more detailed than McCain's version of what would be, and quotes good sources.

http://www.truthout.org/article/obama-mc...

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 5:20 p.m.

Who's going to pay for the universal healthcare?

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:05 p.m.

"Who's going to pay for the universal healthcare?"

<< It depends on which plan gets passed by Congress. Obama has a plan that is a combination of what we have now, but forceing Insurance Company's to Insure everyone instead of "Cherry Picking" as they do now and Pricing the rest out of the market. There is another plan in Congress that Is a "Single Payer, universal health care plan, which would be the best and cheapest way to go. NO, it's NOT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE, The Doctors would be free agents as they are now, fee for Service. The Hospitals would be privatly owned, fee for service, as they are now. The advantage of this plan and where we save a lot of Money is the fact that the Insurance companys are eliminated. Money is saved by not having to support an insurance industry, cover all of their losses in the stock market, multi Billion dollal "Golden Parashuts" for their CEO's, etc.. This will also save the Company's that provide Insurance to their employees, allowing them to give raises to their employees, Etc.. I have read the entire thing with all of the charts and graphs and it's about twenty five type written pages, but thats a snap shot..........

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:30 p.m.

oldhippie...what a brilliant idea...Single Payer Universal Healthcare...I heard Hillary say something about that in the 90's and she was almost laughed out of the White House.

Fact is, it simply doesn't work very well...ask the folks in Canada (I have) where a trip to the doctor's office may take days, weeks, months and in some cases years unlike the hours we my spend waiting.

What happens to the good honest folks working in the insurance industry? Are they to be hired by the government as yet another bureaucracy to oversee the government run health care system? Are they to be laid off and put on the unemployment roles or retrained for other jobs?...both are unacceptably cost prohibitive.

All of the cost savings you predict would be lost to the destruction of an industry, paying for the government oversight and the people who lost their livelihoods. It's just another way for Dems to tell people how to spend their money because they think they are smarter and know better how to do it than the wage earner himself.

I thought you Dems considered yourselves compassionate...the plan doesn't seem that way to me.

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:44 p.m.

Who would care to visit this person's web is something I could never understand. It's just more lies that are printed. Watch live tv and watch the facial expressions when they make their speeches. That speaks volumes.
Same old same old is becoming very tiresome being repeated constantly. Can't the dem's come up with something new?

NotfromNatchez, Bless you, dear heart, and big thanks to you and all your buddies that are there for us.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:01 p.m.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 6:30 p.m.

oldhippie...what a brilliant idea...Single Payer Universal Healthcare...I heard Hillary say something about that in the 90's and she was almost laughed out of the White House.

Fact is, it simply doesn't work very well...ask the folks in Canada (I have)<<<<<<< I have also and while it is not as good as it could be, I didn't find ONE that would trade theirs for ours>>>>>> where a trip to the doctor's office may take days, weeks, months and in some cases years unlike the hours we my spend waiting.<<<<< You know as well as I do that this is not true. This is one more, in a long line of republican scare tactics>>>>>>>>>

What happens to the good honest folks working in the insurance industry? Are they to be hired by the government as yet another bureaucracy to oversee the government run health care system?<<<<<<<<<< I'm sure that a few of the best of the bunch will be absorbed into the Medi Care system , which BTW is the most efficently ran government program out there. The rest will have no problem finding good paying Jobs in the "Green Industreys" that will be created to transition us off of Our Forign Oil adiction.>>>>>>Are they to be laid off and put on the unemployment roles or retrained for other jobs?...both are unacceptably cost prohibitive.<<<<<<<Not at all, Win Win.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

"All of the cost savings you predict would be lost to the destruction of an industry, paying for the government oversight and the people who lost their livelihoods. It's just another way for Dems to tell people how to spend their money because they think they are smarter and know better how to do it than the wage earner himself."

<<<<<<<<<<No, but in my 68 years of "On the job observation", they beat the hell out of Republican Politicians and their "TRICKLE DOWN" economics. The only thing that I have seen trickling down is CRAP, any plumber will tell you that. Personally I'm ready to try "TRICKLE UP" economic's.>>>>>>>>>>>

I thought you Dems considered yourselves compassionate...the plan doesn't seem that way to me.
<<<<< Us DEM"S are,( like you republicans) are all individuals, but I am a compassionate person and If you ever saw the entire plan on paper and assuming your mind wasn't closed, you would change your mind. A lot of if's I know. I am going to try to find that White Paper on SPUHC.........

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:23 p.m.

oldhippie...you said, "the Medi Care system , which BTW is the most efficently ran government program out there."...that's an oxymoron and IS scary!

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

"That spirit of looking out for one another, that core value that says I am my brothers’ keeper, I am my sister’s keeper, that spirit is most evident during times of great tragedy, it’s most evident during times of great hardship, it’s most evident when natural disasters strike because we understand that only God has control and so it takes it out of the realm of politics. We all understand that we have to come together.

But that spirit can’t just be restricted to moments of great catastrophe. Because as I stand here today and look out at the thousands of folks who have gathered here today, I know that there’s some folks that are going through their own quiet storms.

There’re people out there who’ve seen their jobs shipped overseas. There’re people out there who don’t have healthcare, maybe they’ve been trying to pay it on a credit card but mostly they’ve just been putting off trying to see a doctor. There’re seniors out there that don’t know how they’re going to pay their home heating bill this winter. There are folks out there that don’t know how they’re going to fill up the gas tank. There are young people in this audience right now that have graduated from high school, have the grades and want to go to college, but don’t have the money. There are young people being born in the inner cities, that don’t see any prospects for the future that think the only path available to them is a casket or a jail cell.

All across America there are quiet storms taking place. There are lives of quiet desperation. People who need just a little bit of help. Now, Americans are a self-reliant people, we’re an independent people. We don’t like asking somebody else to do what we can do ourselves but you know what we understand is that every once in a while somebody’s going to get knocked down. Every once in a while somebody’s going to go through some hard times. When we least expect it tragedy may strike. And what has always made this country great is the understanding that we rise and fall as one nation, that values and family, community and neighborhood, they have to express themselves in our government. Those are national values. Those are values that we all subscribe to. And so that the spirit that we extend today and in the days to come as we monitor what happens on the Gulf that’s the spirit that we’ve got to carry with us each and every day. That’s the spirit that we need in our own homes and it’s the spirit that we need in the White House. And that’s why I’m running for president of the United States of America.

Because if there’s a poor child out there, that’s my child. If there’s a senior that’s having trouble, that’s my grandparent. If there’s a guy who’s lost his job, that’s my brother. If there’s a woman out there without healthcare, that’s my sister. Those are the values that built this country. Those are the values we are fighting for…” (Barack Obama) http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/...

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m.

McCain couldn't have voted with Bush 90% of the time since he was only there to vote 32% of the time. He has the worst attendance record for voting of anyone in the Senate.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9 p.m.

"Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:46 p.m.

McCain couldn't have voted with Bush 90% of the time since he was only there to vote 32% of the time. <<<<<< I agree Peace, but he voted with him 90% of the 32% of the time he was there, LOL I really liked the Post above this one. I'm not a religious man,( as you know), but the Jesus that I read about in your Bible would have approved of that speech..

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

"That spirit of looking out for one another, that core value that says I am my brothers’ keeper,

How come he doesn't help out his half brother in Kenya living in a hut on $300 a year.
Just asking.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:21 p.m.

I too approve of and share the values imparted in the speech, however, the shared values we have aren't what the fight is about...it's the ones that aren't shared and methods of acheiving those that we do share.

I also disagree with one other minor point in his speech...I don't think the values he talked about are really the reason he's running for president...to him it's about ambition.

BTW...Barack Obama missed 185 of 1098 votes (17%) since Jan 6, 2005. Hillary Clinton missed 152 of 2406 votes (6%) since Jan 23, 2001. John McCain missed 592 of 3720 votes (16%) since Jan 22, 1997...these figures are as of Feb. 2008 according to www.govtrack.us...just to keep the numbers right and you guys honest.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:57 p.m.

Peace and oldhippie...the last set of numbers were old...here are the updated figures as of today:

Barack Obama missed 301 of 1282 roll call votes (23%) since Jan 6, 2005.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x...

John McCain missed 733 of 4099 roll call votes (18%) since Feb 4, 1993.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x...

Also look at the IDEOMETER on each candidates web page and click on it...find their names located relative to the records of other congressmen:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x...

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/person.x...

Notice that Obama is VERY liberal according to his votes, but McCain is almost dead in the center according to the statistics...he couldn't have voted with Bush 90% of the time with that kind of record...so what happened to the argument you had above?...kinda looks like you two were fibbin'.

Now tell me which candidate is more mainstream according to the statistics and which is so far on a fringe that he is out of touch?...the numbers don't lie.

Posted by danielsbasketry (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:29 a.m.

back to the topic at hand....I remember getting into the car the day after 9/11, turning on the radio, and changing forever the way I remember the day. The announcer said, "there were over 4,000 innocent people killed yesterday". My mind immediately returned to the horrible pictures I had seen the day before. The announcer continued, "they were killed by abortion."

I never hear 9/11 without thinking of the absolute depravity we allow in our country. If you think it is just a woman's choice, go to Youtube, punch in "silent screams" (or abortions), and see what you are letting happen every time you vote for a woman's right to abort. You are participating in tearing a child limb from limb.

Posted by Resigned (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 6:47 a.m.

Facts, schmacts! They don't need no stinkin' facts! They might get in the way of beliefs.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 7:46 a.m.

Well all those ideometer readings and attendance reports do obscure the fact that Republicans have turned out to be a corrupt sham at managing government, and John McCain can no more control his party than he can control the tides. He never has controlled his party, and didn't do it when they were most excessive. He can't even run a campaign without lying like a dog -- nothing has changed.

You get the party, the man is just a marketing label. If a man cannot rally his party he is like a plastic screwdriver, he doesn't quite work under pressure. THAT is the difference between McCain and Obama/Biden.

Now we have a collection of hopeless ideologues and stealth racists constantly explaining to us about how there is no alternative to Republican rule. When a person cannot recognize the failures of his own methods he is dangerous to the rest of us.

Both parties stink. If you do not take away their toys, the Republicans will continue to steal us blind, as they already show no remorse and still blame the other side despite their control of the last 8 years. THROW THEM OUT. We can vote them back in when they stop lying so much. Right now they need enough character to heal themselves -- and admitting what they have become is the first step.

Posted by guy2co (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 8:19 a.m.

You all should be ashamed of yourselves! This is to remember the victims and the people who protect our country. You all should be on here thanking our soldiers, policemen, emts, and firefighters. Go talk your politics on a different page. I thank those who lost their lives and those who continue to put their @!&es on the line to protect us. 911 is way more important than Barack Obama or McCain. oldhippie01 if you believe in god or not I don't care, but you should be thankful to someone or something for the people who protect you and your family and friends.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 8:49 a.m.

((Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 9:16 p.m.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 16, 2008 at 8:44 p.m.

"That spirit of looking out for one another, that core value that says I am my brothers’ keeper,

How come he doesn't help out his half brother in Kenya living in a hut on $300 a year.
Just asking.))

Well, I don't know anything about his brother, but I feel quite certain that he didn't have the same opportunity to get to know him living on another continent, the way Cindy McCain would have had to get to know her half-sisters living in the same state of Arizona. Why doesn't she help her sisters out? At least Obama hasn't tried to hide the fact that his father and mother have other children by claiming to be an only child.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 9:16 a.m.

Yall can spin it anyway you want, but the latest headlines are screaming at us what 8 years of republican rule has done for America. Do you really want 4 more?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 9:17 a.m.

I found this on the CNN site about the awful poverty George Obama lives in and his awful Barack brother who doesn't help him:

"I was brought up well. I live well even now," he said. "The magazines, they have exaggerated everything.

"I think I kind of like it here. There are some challenges, but maybe it is just like where you come from, there are the same challenges," Obama said.

Obama, who is in his mid-20s, is learning to become a mechanic and is active in youth groups in Huruma. He said he tries to help the community as much as he can.

At least one of his neighbors feels that perhaps the candidate should help the brother.

"I would like Obama to visit his brother to see how he is living, to improve his way of life," said Emelda Negei, who runs a small dispensary near Obama's house.

But George Obama will have none of it. He draws inspiration from his famous half-brother. He acknowledges that he is biased but said he knows that his half-brother will be the next president.

"Because he wants to be [president]," he said. "I think in life, what you want is what you are supposed to get."

Sounds like some well adjusted black folks to me, in fact, they sound better adjusted than the red-neck racist hate-mongers who use their slanted version of this story to spread dirt.

Peace's point about Cindy McCain's inheritance story is more telling. The devil is in the details.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 9:18 a.m.

" oldhippie01 if you believe in god or not I don't care, but you should be thankful to someone or something for the people who protect you and your family and friends."

<<<<< I have had this conversation, here, with a Current Military Man,( notfronnatchez). I thanked him for his Service, but told him that I didn't need him and his Troops in Iraq to protect me and my friends. I spent eight years in the military during Viet Nam and I have NO fear of TERRORIST, nor do any of my Family members or Friends. All BUSH'S Grudge Match with Sadam has done is create more Terrorist. The Iraqies have been fighting among themselves for hundreds of years and will continue to do so for hundreds more, nomater what we do.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 9:58 a.m.

oldhippie -- I think one proof of the problems we have in this country comes with the idea any president is entitled to do anything with our military he wants to -- and we should never expect reprisals or counter attacks. Therefore some people think we should thank everyone that uses our military in any way, and not question them.

The smart money goes to the guys who will make sure we do not use our military in away that brings on reprisals. The Bush family because of their political uses of the military has been responsible for hundreds of thousands of muslim deaths -- and are the largest cause of retribution strikes. You're right -- they do not make us safer.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 11:47 a.m.

You are right Yeahuhuh, I worked in Texas for thirty five years before I retired and moved back home. Point being I was there when "Dub yuh" was running in 2000. It was common knowledge that Sadam had tryed to put a "Hit" on Daddy Bush", so I knew the day he was elected that he was going to find a way to get us back in Iraq and then low and behold, 9/11. It is now common Knowledge that between him and Cheney, they cooked the Intelligence, fired any one that wouldn't go along with the Program, Etc.

Did you see how many retired Generals and Admerals they marched out on stage at the Democratic Convention?? There must have been twenty or so of them and when you consider the fact that just about ALL General Officers usually Vote Republican, that should tell people something.

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 12:05 p.m.

Are you saying 9/11 was a conspiracy?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 12:39 p.m.

I don't think he is saying that at all. He is saying that 9/11 was a fortuitous accident that allowed Bush/Cheney to invade Iraq the way they had planned to.

On the website of the PNAC, Cheney talked for years about invading Iraq and putting in place a new military supremacy, and complained that it would take an event like a new Pearl Harbor. 9/11 was that event. It was not a conspiracy by the US. The Ivasion of Iraq was a conspiracy that used that event as an excuse. It's history.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 1:24 p.m.

"Are you saying 9/11 was a conspiracy?"

No, There are still a lot of un answered questions in my mind. I was a Union Iron Worker for thirteen years and have been up on the observation deck of the WTC. I also worked a job up on 47tt st in 88 with some hands that helped build those Buildings, so I know something about how those Buildings were put together. Given the impact point and the intensity of the Fire, I understand how they COULD collapse, but not the WAY they did. Its irrelevant at this point anyway.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 1:29 p.m.

One would think that the terrorist would want to remain calm and quite so near to an election instead of trying to cause enough fear to keep the voters from changing horses.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2 p.m.

"One would think that the terrorist would want to remain calm and quite so near to an election instead of trying to cause enough fear to keep the voters from changing horses."

<<<<< Yes Peace, a rational thinking person would think that, But you have to remember, we are dealing with "RADICALS" here. The sad fact is that we have some of those here as well........>>>>>>>>>>

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:18 p.m.

Just when you think it could'nt get any more ridiculous....

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:38 p.m.

Silly rabbit. What part of that do you NOT understand?

It's history and CIA analysts have supposed that Benladin's announcement before the last election was a way to throw the election to Bush -- make it look like Benladin wants the Bushes out and it's a sure bet that a lot of voters will vote FOR Bush just because Benladin wants him out.

Sort of like so many southern voters are terrified of "niggras" and cannot imagine themselves voting for anyone or anything that would support black causes -- in the meantime they vote in lockstep without thinking and vote in the biggest crooks in history.

Reagan/Bush created Benladin as a military force against the Soviets in Afghanistan, and having Bush create hatred for the US is Benladin's best recruiting move and keeps him alive as a ideological force.

What it will take to remove the wind from Benladin's sails is a president who can very quietly go about trying to kill Benladin at the same time he acknowledges the mistakes -- to the victim countries -- we have made shooting people in their own homelands for oil and ideology. No Republican has the courage or the character to do that.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

Silly rabbit? You want to talk about history YEAHUHUH, here you go:

Ford almost caused another depression. Percentage rates were as much as %23. When Reagan stepped it, this country's deficit went down and percentage rates were as low as 3%.
It was Clinton who came in and gave all that money away leaving Bush to clean up after him. NOW YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE SOMEONE TO BLAME IT ON.

Was this all a conspiracy too?

People that HAVE money CREATE JOBS.

People that HAVE free income are paid from the GOVERNMENT.

Why should wealthy people pay more so poor people can live better? What incendive does that give our children:

Well, if I make more money, then I will have to give more to the government, so I wont make money so I don't have to give as much.

Think about that yeahuhuh, what is your reply to that? You alway seem to have one.

Our government money is running out due to democracy. How can Obama give so much without costing the government anything?

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:58 p.m.

We need a president with only one thing in mind: Conservation.

Then maybe in 8 years or so, AFTER we pull ourselves out of a HUGE DEBT, then maybe we should focus on CHANGE.

People need to stop putting their personal debt first and start thinking about the United States deificit as a whole. That is what is the most important.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 4:07 p.m.

Yomama fool --

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media...

Ford didn't come before Reagan, Carter did.

Carter installed a new FED chairman, Volker, who revolutionized monetary policy and recognized relationships in the money supply and interest implications. Volker fixed the system.

Carter inherited a system from Ford that made Volker's appointment good for everyone. The positive changes started before Reagan took office. Carter actually reduced deficits during his time.

Volker served during Reagan, and Reagan wanted Volker to do some of the things presidents want (irresponsibly low interest rates,money supply expansion, etc). Volker refused and that was the big difference between 1978 and 1984. Reagan deficit spent anyway, in order to drive his economy.

Reagan deficit spent far, far worse than Carter. Without Volker he would have had worse results. Look at the charts I linked.

You are totally wrong about Reagan's deficit spending. Reaganomics was not a success -- gains depended on deficit spending -- just like you getting a new credit card every time you wanted some more money and leaving someone else to pay the last one. Debts mean either interest payments or reduction in the value of the dollar, depending on how they are handled.

What Reaganomics proved is that we can't outrun the effects of deficit spending and an expanding money supply. Economies can't sustain that sort of growth, but Reaganomics is a red herring that buys votes from selfish people and that is why they still talk that crap at the GOP.

Debts increased much faster during Reagan than ever before, then again during Bush 1. Clinton had to balance the budgets and reverse their trends. He did this with the help of a Republican Congress, both trying to outdo the other -- real statesmanship.

Our government money is running out due to bad leadership, deficit spending, greed, and people too stupid to see we don't have free enterprise now. The guys who tell you we do have free enterprise are crooks who know you won't look at those charts I linked and know if you do understand them you will still not have the will to call them on their lies.

I heard this on Voyager last nite:

Old Feringi Saying : A good lie is much easier to accept than the truth.

Amen. And anyone who watches Startrek knows the Feringi would all be Republicans. He,he!

LOOK AT THESE CHARTS -- YOU WILL BE 1000% SMARTER WHEN YOU UNDERSTAND THEM:

http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media...

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 4:14 p.m.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/01/31...
VOLKER JOINS LIST OF OBAMA BACKERS

Former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker, the latest big name to endorse Sen. Barack Obama, could give the Illinois Democrat a boost by lending his gravitas in the financial world to a presidential candidate whose biggest hurdle is to convince voters he is experienced enough.

“After 30 years in government, serving under five Presidents of both parties and chairing two non-partisan commissions on the Public Service, I have been reluctant to engage in political campaigns. The time has come to overcome that reluctance,” Volcker, a Democrat, said in a statement today. “However, it is not the current turmoil in markets or the economic uncertainties that have impelled my decision. Rather, it is the breadth and depth of challenges that face our nation at home and abroad. Those challenges demand a new leadership and a fresh approach.”

He concluded: “It is only Barack Obama, in his person, in his ideas, in his ability to understand and to articulate both our needs and our hopes that provide the potential for strong and fresh leadership. That leadership must begin here in America but it can also restore needed confidence in our vision, our strength, and our purposes right around the world.”

President Carter appointed Volcker to Fed chairmanship in 1979 and President Reagan replaced him — with Alan Greenspan — just a couple of months before the 1987 stock market crash. He is widely respected among central bankers, Wall Street and economists for breaking the back of inflation in the 1980s — at the cost of the deepest recession the country has seen since the Great Depression. An economist, he was earlier president of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 1975 to 1979 and an under secretary of the Treasury from 1969 to 1974.
__________

There you go. The guru that led Reagan's economics for 7 of his 8 years supports Obama. Greenspan, the man Reagan appointed to replace Volcker, wrote last year that the honest truth is that the Iraq War was about one thing -- oil.

Posted by oldhippie01 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 7:04 p.m.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 2:55 p.m.

Silly rabbit? You want to talk about history YEAHUHUH, here you go:

Ford almost caused another depression. Percentage rates were as much as %23. When Reagan stepped it, this country's deficit went down and percentage rates were as low as 3%.
It was Clinton who came in and gave all that money away leaving Bush to clean up after him. NOW YOU DEMOCRATS HAVE SOMEONE TO BLAME IT ON.

Was this all a conspiracy too?<<<<<<<< NO SIR, all of that was a bald faced LIE. In the first place FORD was a Republican, second RONALD REAGAN was another "TRICKLE DOWN", TAX the Middle Class and give it all to the Rich Republican that left Clinton a 4.6Trillion dollar debt. You need to peddel that other crap to funny bunny, she is brain washed and will believe anything you all tell her.>>>>>>>>>

People that HAVE money CREATE JOBS.<<<<< AND they make more money on every JOB they create and if it weren't for the people who do the work, their money wouldn't last long.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

People that HAVE free income are paid from the GOVERNMENT.<<<<<<<<< TRUE, But you can bet your ass YOU wouldn't trade places with them>>>>>>>>>>

Why should wealthy people pay more so poor people can live better? What incendive does that give our children:<<<<<<Well one reason would be to save your sorry ass. When people get hungry it puts an additude on them. And when they see some wealthy person driving down the street while he can't eat, he might just decide to pop a cap on your worthless ass>>>>>>>

Well, if I make more money, then I will have to give more to the government, so I wont make money so I don't have to give as much.<<<<<<<< Get used to it ass hole, if you don't want to be a part of the solution, get out of the road or get run over>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Think about that yeahuhuh, what is your reply to that? You alway seem to have one.

Our government money is running out due to democracy. <<<<<<<< Wrong, the money is running out because Bush and McCain took all of the regularors out of Wall Street and they stole it all. Now he is having to pump Tax payer Dollars,($$$ 847 BILLION) so far to try to plug the hole in the Dam to head off a Depression, before he can get out of town.>>>>>>>>>>>>How can Obama give so much without costing the government anything?<<<<<<<<<<< By making you rich FOLKS tote your own Water and PAY your fair share, ( for a change) and the Old Hippie said ALL of that........

Posted by notfromnatchez (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 7:23 p.m.

Oldhippie--are you resorting to cursing at people? Really? have you sunk that low?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 7:57 p.m.

Oldhippie, when Iron workers placed a Christmas Tree on the highest point of a building after completing the structure, what was the significance of the tree? What did it mean?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 17, 2008 at 8:06 p.m.

notfromnatchez, how do enlisted men feel about Blackwater, the private military, fighting along side you guys in Iraq, but being paid way more for risking their lives? Don't you think that instead of paying that money to Blackwater, better body armor and equipment to protect you enlisted folks in warzones, along with a pay raise for each of you would just make more sense? Another thing that seems strange to me is to hire all those construction contractors for rebuilding prior to the cease fire. Why not allow the Iraqi to rebuild the way they want and with whom they choose instead of putting civilians in harms way?

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 12:32 p.m.

Sorry, didnt mean to say Ford, meant to say Carter.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 12:45 p.m.

I pay my fair share oldhippie, but each time I get a raise, they take more. THEN WHAT INCENTIVE WOULD THAT GIVE ME TO MAKE MORE!!!!

I should just work at Walmart as a cashier for the rest of my life. And while there, I will have a few kids so I can basically HAVE MORE MONEY. You Democrats, I swear!

What are we teaching the children of today? We are teaching them to be spoiled-rotten, lazy, dis-respectful idiots who do not feel like they have to work for anything to achieve it. They dont have to, the DEMOCRATS will give it to them. The movie "Idiocracy" will explain the future to you well.

RICH PEOPLE CREATE JOBS, POOR PEOPLE DO NOT! Understand?
Sure, I respect you as a V.V., but sometimes, and you should most definately know this, the grass is not always greener on the other side.

Peace007, if you feel so bad for those Iraqians, THEN GO OVER THERE. Quit sitting here complaining to someone (notfromnatchez) WHO FIGHTS FOR YOUR FREEDOM!!!!
What a perfect example of a typical spoiled American who is ACTUALLY blurting barbaric nonsense. What if it were you in harm's way, would you be trying to protect the soldier fighting for you, OR would you be RUNNING?

Our country is seperating due to this hatred between Democratics and Republicans. Our enemies see this and know how to handle it. If we are at war, WE ALL NEED TO STAND BEHIND THAT. Otherwise, the fate of it will be another Vietnam. That is exactly what happened in Vietnam, Americans turning against Americans, supporters slowly started backing out, and the enemy saw this.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 12:55 p.m.

HA! Those excel charts that yeahuhuh speaks of are so BASIC. I could have made a better chart with my eyes closed! Those hideous things crack me up!

It would not be reality for our country to have absolutely NO Debt. The goal (which is what Reagan wanted) was for the dificit to stabalize. How could anyone look at that dificit budget chart and NOT question what was going on during the massive drop on Clinton's time in office???
That is not healthy, actually it looks very suspicious. And how could any president (even if he would have been Democratic) after Clinton keep that dificit low? There would have been no way for that to happen.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 2:50 p.m.

I can answer one of those! Peace would be running because she doesn't believe in fighting for her freedom. Don't just thank our armed forces, SUPPORT OUR ARMED FORCES IN WORD AND DEED.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 10:06 p.m.

freedom you don't know anything about what I would do. Just because I don't believe in fighting wars, doesn't mean I would run. Actually, I would go to Iraq and let one soldier come home...would you? I figure they could send us old folks over there and let the younger ones come back home. How about it, you up for it?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 18, 2008 at 10:07 p.m.

If the enlisted men fighting in Iraq are making less than $70/hr, they are being cheated.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 19, 2008 at 12:01 a.m.

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archive...

Actually blackwater mercs are being paid more than I thought.

Posted by obamayamama (anonymous) on September 19, 2008 at 5:44 a.m.

Hey Peace, every thought that maybe money isnt everything? I was told by my grandfather that going to fight for your country was a great opportunity to show your support and pride for the United States of America. Oh but I guess you don't accept that considering you are for Obama (who can become a presidential candidate based on... hmmm experience? No, wait, wasnt he some kind of community leader or something?)

Do you even have any idea, peace007, how disrespectful you sound to any military personnel? What about for all the physically impaired soldiers who lost a leg or has shrapnel damage due to some terrorist putting rusty nails in his bomb? Do you think these soldiers were over there for the money? Or do you maybe think they were there for the love of their country? Of course you would not understand the latter statement considering all you do is whine and complain about how imperfect it is.

You really need to drop all the talk about being against war. Even if we tried to stop war, it is not up to us. We cannot control other countries. And when they attack, this country needs to defend. Human civilization will fight throughout its existance just as dogs, chimps, basically all mammals do for their territory.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 19, 2008 at 8:06 a.m.

Sure peace, I'm more than up for it. You ought to know that!

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 19, 2008 at 8:12 a.m.

Peace, here's one for you to check out. I dare you to. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlW...

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on September 19, 2008 at 9:01 a.m.

No country attacked us on 9-11. Terrorist attacked us, not Iraq, not Afghanistan...19 terrorist who died in that attack. That attack only cost 19 plane tickets, some of which were charged on credit cards. Nineteen men who lived in the US and some were roommates, shared rent and lived meagerly, as the story goes.

The US attacked and bombed two countries and destroyed not only countries but many people, as well as, our own soldiers have lost their lives.

It is not fair to our soldiers that a private military has been hired at a much higher pay than our own soldiers are paid, and that our soldiers have to go without the proper body armor, armored vehicles, and safety equipment when they are fighting in a war which they have been led to believe is based on our freedom. When in truth the war is being fought for the oil that can be brought out through the pipeline being built thru those countries and for the large amounts of money that oil will make for them and for the money that has been paid to destroy and to then to rebuild those countries...vast amounts of money that benefits all but those who truly risk their lives fighting for the illusion of freedom for our people.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on September 20, 2008 at 9:10 a.m.

So you didn't go to the site huh?

Posted by naturegirl (anonymous) on September 20, 2008 at 9:30 a.m.

I did and I think everyone on here should. But let me warn you the ending will make you cry.