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Is bridging the racial gap a lost art locally?
Published Wednesday, May 7, 2008
On city Election Day four years ago Phillip West was one of seven candidates vying for the title of Natchez mayor.
Three elections later, and by only a 100-vote difference, West had the title and an entry in the Natchez history books.
He was the first black mayor in Natchez since Reconstruction.
And a month later, at his inaugural ceremony, the political world appeared in force.
Then-U.S. Rep. Chip Pickering spoke.
Former Gov. Ronnie Musgrove said a few words.
Natchez greats Tony Byrne and Larry L. “Butch” Brown were present.
And more than 500 local residents attended to welcome their new mayor.
West had done a great job gathering the white vote. Many — this newspaper’s then-editorial board included — felt he would be the one to pull the races together in Natchez.
On the night West won he was quoted saying, “By the time I finish my term, I want to show that there was nobody better to lead (Natchez.)”
This page of the newspaper will go to press before Tuesday’s final election tallies are in. By the time you read this page, you’ll know who unofficially won the Democratic primary.
West may still be in the running, or his term may be over.
One way or the other, West has made history. It’s impossible to say whether he was the best person to lead Natchez over the last four years. We’ll never know what another leader would have done.
West made some good decisions, and some downright ugly ones.
But — as voters headed to the polls — it seemed as if West may have lost his unspoken calling card — race.
Can he still bridge the racial gap?
According to talks with voters, campaign signs and the general feeling in the political world, West no longer has as much support across racial lines.
But could that be because the lines are fading?
According to most of the men and women running for office this time, the racial vote just isn’t what it used to be in Natchez.
And that’s a good thing.
Whites don’t just vote for the white guy. Blacks don’t just vote for the black candidate.
Sure, race still has a hold for some voters, quite a few, I’m sure, but perhaps not as many as it has in the past.
So, maybe, there is less of a gap to bridge.
West may take credit for the gap shrinkage. And maybe he should.
In the 80s, West was a polarizing racial figure, leading boycotts and filing a lawsuit against the public schools.
In 2004 he was a unifying face that happened to be black.
Now, maybe he’s just a politician seeking office.
One way or the other, history won’t be made with this year’s mayoral election.
We probably won’t have great state leaders in town in July for the mayor’s swearing in ceremony.
The next mayor — West or someone else — will have streets to pave, houses to tear down, budgets to balance, departments to run, and it seems he may be graded on his performance on all of the above, and not on racial lines.
That, in my mind, is progress. Whether West deserves the credit, or whether the process has been gradual over many years, Natchez is moving forward. And we’ll all be better for it.
Julie Finley is the managing editor of The Natchez Democrat. She can be reached at 601-445-3551 or julie.finley@natchezdemocrat.com.
Comments
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 5:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As long as people SEE a difference in peoples skin color there will be room for racism.
This article clearily makes a seperation.
what a shame
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 6:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
While this article makes it clear that race is still hanging around in every election in Natchez, I have to say that Phil had done enough to damage his own credibility. He brought in a superintendent of education and a consultant that have not done enough to pull the school systems off the bottom of the heap in the last few years.
This is a huge deal when you consider how much school systems really do play into the equation for economic development. I know I am preaching to the choir when it comes to management and owners, but I want the general populous to understand that people in charge of making company decisions ALWAYS consider public education in an area before they make a move.
Have a great day. It looks like a new day on the horizon.
Jake Middleton, if you are reading these blogs, remeber what Benjamin Franklin said at the Constitution Convention as he looked at the picture of the sun on the wall. There was much disagreement going on in the convention and many different interest pulling at the writing and it looked like chaos was going to take over. Then Ben was asked what he thought and as he looked at the picture of the sun on the wall, he has been quoted as saying, "Is that a rising sun or a setting sun?". He statement was meant to make people realize that the decision was in there hands.
Mr. Middleton, please make that picture on the wall of your mind a rising sun for Natchez everyday.
Posted by trueblue (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 6:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It is amazing to me how race is brought into just about everything. If a white man or woman running against a black man or woman wins then it is due to racism but if the black man or woman wins then the racial gaps are closing. I am so tired of seeing this bull. Jake is just as qualified as Phillip to run this city. I did vote for Jake but it was not due to the color of his skin. I did not vote for Phillip b/c there has been a bad taste in my mouth for him for years. He has handled more than one issue inappropriately in the past. I don't care if they are purple as long as they do the best job for Natchez.
Posted by BULLDOG72 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
truebue- Well put. Judging the integrity of others by their actions, conduct and character tells you almost all you need to know about how they conduct their business. I'm pretty bored by people playing the race card. Sounds like you are also.
Posted by ElGoodo (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 7:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
What about nationally? Obama gets 90+% of the black vote and nobody bats an eye. If Clinton's support was 90+% of whites, media would be screaming about how racist whites are. This kind of socially accepted double-standard does not help.
As long as there is money to be made and power to be had from continued division in this nation, that division will be there. It's been big business since the 70's and brought numerous nobodys to some prominence.
Politicians have learned to divide people into groups and play those groups against each other for votes. Unelected "activists" do the same thing for money and political power.
Posted by roberth33 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The elephant in the room that no one in mass media talks about when it comes to talking about Obama is that he wins in states with big black populations. NC last night being one.
Blacks are voting for him because of skn color, not because of qualifications.
Pretty racist if you ask me.
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TRUE DAT robert33!
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Redusmfan , I like the way you think . As I'm sure most of you already know , I get tired of it always being about black or white . I really try to look at what exactly the person in question is all about . That's kind of hard to do when the adj. "black" is thrown in your face constantly . The Dr. Rev. Wright said we are "different." And so we are. So tell me why is it everytime blacks and whites are in something together race is always an issue ? It looks to me like since Phil West has been in office , the racial issue has just gotten bitter instead of better . Just because a person is black does not automatically make them the person for the job. They have to show me more than that!
Posted by lambchop (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 9:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Racism is a very over-used word. Yes, there is racism on both sides. There is racism against the red man, the yellow man, the black man and the white man. As long as one person has an opinion that is different from another, there is that word again.
I did not vote for West and the reason was not the color of his skin. I don't think he made us a good representative when in Jackson, nor do I think he made us a good mayor. He did good things, as almost all people in politics do, but I failed to find him the person to lead for another 4 years. Will Middleton or Graning do better? Time will only tell.
I want a politician to be available. I want to see him or her viewing our city and to be publicly available. I would like to see communications in the paper or internet which allows us citizens to ask questions and get responses. Tony Byrne did this many years ago and it was a fine way to see what answers he gave to some tough questions.
I want to see street improvement, I want to see more attention to the older population and disabled, I want to see attention to the crime within the city, I want to see all city employees doing a good job receive recognition (this can't always be monetary because of government, but you have some good people who could use that public pat on the back), I want to see cooperation with environment issues, historical issues, riverfront issues. I want to see equal (as far as equality can be deemed for both races) events and activities for recreation.
I guess I want to see fairness, good natured-ness, open-ness, plain speaking and results.
Good luck to all those who won yesterday's elections and good luck to those in run-offs.
Posted by trueblue (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes i am BULLDOG72 and sounds like we are not the only ones. Reverse racism is everywhere.
Posted by natchez1 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 11:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I don't think this result has done anything to improve race relations. I think the Democrat's headline may come back to haunt them and actually damage race relations. If the Democrat had said Middleton leads - it would have been better. The Democrat is probably right but to declare a winner with over 400 votes uncounted and a margin of 243 seems risky.
I was proud of Middleton's comments - best things he said the entire campaign. I think the real loser in last night's race may be Chick. However if Chick gets motivated and makes the campaign about issues he could win. It will be hard with that i by his name.
Posted by natchez500 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 1:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you are right natchez1 now the race relations will be split further and further and the general election will prove it yes chick is republican running as a indepent and it will not work he knows he is already exposed how can he get away from them he cannot bad for natchez chick would be teh best mayor but the race issue will kill him
Posted by natchez1 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 2:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The reality is Middleton was the Junkin/Steadman candidate - i.e. Republican. Graning is probably more Republican than a dem. too.
In the General Election if Middleton holds on the race card will not be in play (a good thing) but the Black population will probably stick with the democratic party. Middleton will need them. His comments last night were the first step in providing some comfort to the Black community. I don't think the black community will hold his win against him.
Chick though if he campaigns well can get good support from both sides. It would be a much harder race with an R by his name. Some independents have won city wide office - no Republicans have.
Posted by readingthepaper (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When I first read the title, I thought Julie was off from the start of the article...bridging a racial gap is not an "art." It is humanitarianism. Most racists don't make it a black/white issue. They simply do not have the capacity to have compassion, sympathy, or empathy for anyone who is not directly involved in their lives. Whether in reverse racism,straight forward racism,hate crimes, or even genocide, most people involved would rather blame others than help. Do you think many KKK members donate their time to St. Jude's? Or raise money in the name of UNICEF? Would Al Sharpton be on Sean Bell's band wagon had he been white and shot 50 times? Racism is just another name for what Satan wants the world to endure, and die with on our hearts. I know many racists, on both sides of the black and white coin, and the truth is they don't seem to like anyone,other races, homeless, poor, rich, women, men, children,preachers, teachers, lawyers, etc... least of all themselves. So as far as eradicating racism being compared to art, Britannica Online says: art is the way something is done -- "the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others."
I think that is something each person can look inside themselves and find to reach out to someone less fortunate, or to help other races.
Posted by lambchop (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 3:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
readingthepaper- well said
Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 4:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Is bridging the racial gap a lost art locally"?
Hmmm, yes it is. It is an art that is no longer lost, but it has been burned to ashes. It won't change until people, of all of the colors in the crayon box, change their way of thinking.
Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 4:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Southernbelle, I'm not picking, and I'm not trying to start any war....But at the end of your comment, you said, "Just because a person is black does not automatically make them the person for the job. They have to show me more than that!" Well, I have one question for you and whoever else would like to answer. If a Black person, that no one knows much about, has a clean reputation, runs for a public office, would you dig deep into their background, or would you judge them by perception? How would you go about finding infromation about that person? Would you vote based on your own beliefs and views, or would you listen to others and try not to find out further information?
Like, I said before, no war or harm intended?
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
reverse racism????? Ok, lets get something straight here folks, Racism is Racism..it does not matter if teh person is black,white,red,green,or orange..If he or she decides to judge the person walking past them in Walmart based solely on the color of their skin, then it is racism. If you decide to vote for someone just because of the color of their skin, it is Racism. if you refuse to let your child date someone based on the color of their skin, it is Racism.....
Their is no reverse in it..it is Racism pure and sinful. It is a slap in the face and a kick in the butt to all, but yes it seems to be just as open now in all areas of our lives as it ever has been in this country. I get tired of it.
So please do not call it reverse...just call it what it is....RACISM.
And, by the way, if teachers and superintendents are hired in Natchez just because of their skin color....Shut Down the Schools Now!!! They are useless in educating and only serving to further divide.
Posted by ntz143 (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 5:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FYI....Mayor West had absolutely nothing to do with the superintendent being hired or consultants being retained. He has been trying to get rid of Morris for at least a couple of years but the school board is the one who hired him and they have to be the one to remove him. Pressure to make changes need to be applied to the individuals on the board...Edney, Steckler, Taylor, Newsome, and Stephens. Call them if you are unhappy with the present situation. They need to hear from the community. But don't blame the Mayor...he is on the side for change.
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 6:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
draw paint sing , I always try to find out as much as I possibly can about anybody before I vote for them . I try to keep my mind open . I love people with differences . It's what makes us all unique . To me that is one of the great things about being an American !
Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 6:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Southernbelle, I am so glad that you didn't take that the wrong way, because I tried to be as sensitive as possible with my questions. Like us Black folks would say, "I feel you on that one". This simply means, "I agree with you."
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on May 7, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Racism is taught to children mainly by their parents. My parents were less racist than my grandparents. I'm less racist than my parents. My children, consequently, know almost nothing about it, except that it exists in some people who are mostly older than them.
What I'm suggesting is that all parents should strive for equality not just in deed, but also in thought. If parents do this actively and create an example, on both sides, sooner than you might imagine there would only be one race...the human one.
Posted by trueblue (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 6:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
redusmfan you are right. racism is racism but typically where we live when that word is used it's referring to a white person being racist against a black person so that is why i used that term. I refuse to allow my children to be pulled into the racist way of life. i teach them to judge all people by the person they are and not to look at their skin color or any other physical or mental difference. But in the area that we live we never hear about a racist minority. it is always the white person/people that we hear about and i know that there are racist people in our community that are not white. That's all that i was trying to say.
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Trueblue,
I understand what you are saying. I am not a minority and I have watched as we have been called racist, but nobody will call people like Jeremiah Wright racist, he is just trying to help "His" people. It makes me sick, so that is why I came un-glued when I read the term Reverse Racist...
I want everybody of every color of skin to understand that if ANYBODY is judging based on color, THEY ARE RACIST...not reversed racist...just plain RACIST...
Posted by roberth33 (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
excellent statement redusmfan.
I have crowed for years about "reverse" racism. The concept implies that only whites can be racist and that it is an anomily when an individual of another race acts in a a racist manner against a white.
ALL people are capable of racism. Period.
Posted by kpage (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All people are capable of racism, roberth33!!! Including our government. There are no government programs to help single white women with three kids going to school full-time. There are no government programs to assist the single white man with three kids going to school full-time. It only helps those of color, regardless of what the social worker says. I'm not coming down on black people, they are not to blame. It's our government who's not thinking that white people can have financial issues, too. Just because you're black, doesn't mean you're on assistance, just as me being white doesn't mean I've got money. The government hammers up those color barriers and keeps us folk either hanging onto their coattails or dangling over an abyss.
Before anyone on here blasts me, I'm not being racist. I'm trying to find equality and am just not seeing it, thanks to the federal and state governments.
"Our nation's race relations got me feeling guilty of being white" Kid Rock
Posted by callinitlikeitis (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
my following comment relates much better to THIS article.
"you can be your own worst enemy".
philip west, (your own people) turned against you in this election. while they supported you in the beginning (mostly because of race, just to have their own 'color' as mayor), when your 'TRUE COLOR/s' started showing (your people) had to admit & realize that skin color is not a pre-requisite of being a good mayor.
white people did not start slavery. it was AFRICA that sold it's (own people) and shipped them to America. AFRICA sold them for MONEY.
white people gave them food, shelter, clothing. yes, they had to work for it. don't we all?
study up on history and see just who it was that betrayed (their own people).
let's stop being angry at white people. let us please see a person for there morals, character, integrity, compassion, work ethics, etc. LEAVE SKIN COLOR OUT OF IT. let us GET OVER THE PAST AND THE WRONG PERCEPTIONS OF IT. thank you.
Posted by buttercup26 (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is actually destiny at buttercup's::::: <callingitlikeitis> dearly love your comment. A very good lesson for all.......<roberth33- you said a mouthful, go man> I enjoyed all comments today. Thanks everyone
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 11:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Destiny and Buttercup, yall have a great day and keep out of trouble....lol...
Posted by Negotiator (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 12:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here's an interesting article:
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=14492...
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, and ABC was using the term Rverse Racism....but Ike Brown is just as much of a racist as Byron DeLa Beckwith. They are both racist...no REVERSE about it.
Reverse racism is a term brought on by the media in this country, just like closure has been. They do not exist in the real world. Racism is racism, it does not matter if it is white, black, red, or brown people. Closure does not exist. The pain of a situation continues no matter what the "end" result may be in a court scenario or other legal proceeding...There is no closure, just pain that does not hurt as bad day by day....it still hurts, just not as bad as it did 6 days ago, 6 weeks ago, 6 months ago, or 6 years ago.
We have let the media determine our vocabulary and thinking way too much in this country. Political correctness is nothing more than media determining what is right or wrong, not common sense.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)
(Robert33) Good Point!
Posted by natchez500 (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 4:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
julie one person still has the vote from both black and white in this area and that is sheriff brown he got his from the confidence he made with families black and white in this community as the probation officer for over 20 years. so far and the last election showed he won in all 20 boxes both black and white i do not know of anyone else that has ever done that including phillip west i donot know how he has done it either, because it is a thin line when it comes to race in this area maybe you can check but i think i am right now wee will see if he can hold it he still seems to have the confidence of both races well just a thought julie west could have had it but he lost it in 4 years brown was re- elected after his first term
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 4:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Everything these days is about minorities,civil rights or being racial. It doesn,t matter if your chartrueuse orange with a a Dodge Blue racing stripe. If your a sorry relief working shift work,If you non-productive and live off the system. If you file frivilous lawsuit,curse in Wal-mart using words that would make a sailor turn his head and then holler racist if someone ask you not to do that,If you have mulitiple children without a father being around or work the welfare system. If you claim everybody owes you because your a minority, then you time to sit on your rear and do nothing but take,never giving is going to come to an end soon. As all the jobs leave this country and the gas goes to $200.00 a barrel,somebody is going to have to pay the fiddler,because if theirs a dance somebody always has to PAY the fiddler. The term or phrase the people who hide behind and use racist as a getby,a way to blame others,loot and burn cities are not worth much.They just take up space,everybody is tired and full up with the smallest error that any one makes against or even unknowlingy against minorities. Bottom line is they need to get up off it and go to work.They can call each other any kind of name they want, and put it on national tv or say it over and over to each other. They use racial slang.slurs,offensive gestures and just plain name calling,but they are not held accountable in any way for what they say or do to each other,but if a white or any other race mentions any one of the words they use, we,re racist. As Bill Cosby says we can,t blame it on the white people anymore and the ones who pay taxes everyday to support these bums,system workers,defrauders,food stamp sellers are tired of footing the bill while they holler and scream racist...Its old old very very old news....
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 4:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If we lived in a cave, the ones that didn,t work would just starve. It ain,t hard to do that math
Posted by drawpaintsing (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 4:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, Texasranger! It's old old, very very old news, and it burns my draws.
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 5:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see your point, ranger, But i do not condone the racism.
I do not agree with welfare queens, white or black or green or brown,
I do not agree with people sitting on their a### while I work and they eat better than I do.
I do not believe that people should have a right to housing if they do not work,
I can not afford much health care for my family, but people do not work and go to the doctor all the time when my taxes pay for it...
what a screwed up world we seem to be living in.
Posted by oldsaw (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Fact is the election showed just how racist Natchez really is. Both black and white voted along racial lines.
One race can not point the any fingers at the other.
Welcome to Natchez, the same old, same old.
Posted by Negotiator (anonymous) on May 8, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
On the national level, Barack Obama is winning the black vote 92% to 8% (roughly).
It's not just Natchez, oldsaw.
Posted by Fonzarosa (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Let us get one of the facts straight THERE ARE MORE WHITE PEOPLE ON WELFARE THEN THERE ARE BLACKS I get so sick and tired of hearing the disgusting white people IE TEXAS RANGER
think that welfare was invented for blacks he probably will tell you
that blacks is the only people on drugs in America when in fact
80 percent of drug abuse in this country is WHITE FOLK please explain that.
Posted by kpage (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Where can I find those welfare stats, Fonz? Do I look at each state separately, or is there a total figure somewhere?
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Fonzarosa, for some of us, we do not care what color the welfare person is...we just want them to find something to do to supportthemselves...they can do like many of us have doen and borrow out the wazzoo to get an education and build a life for themselves while they repay the loans....
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Get ready for the enclave coming across the border and the ones already here! Owhampy is going to guarantee the Hispanics free and all benefits at taxpayers expense! Get ready for our taxes to go up if the DemocRats get the power! We will all pay dearly!
Posted by Marc_Robson (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Uhh, hey Fonz....if those stats that you are touting are even accurate.....consider that blacks only make up something like 12% of the national population, and whites make up something like 74%. So proportionally, WAY MORE BLACKS ARE ON WELFARE! JUST LIKE WAY MORE BLACKS ARE INCARCERATED!!! AND WAY MORE BLACKS ABUSE DRUGS!!!
Get an education, (like me) and then come back to the discussion. (I made a 34 on my ACT).
Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on May 10, 2008 at 8:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Fonz and Marc,
you are both right from your point of view. More Whites are on welfare, when you count the actual numbers. More blacks are on welfare percentage wise. But how about this, get all of them off the sofa and working so my taxes can go down instead of going up constantly....
Posted by Marc_Robson (anonymous) on May 11, 2008 at 8:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's all fine and good, redusmfan, but I made a 34 on my ACT. You just don't see that every day. I deserve a pat on the back, if you wouldn't mind too much. Actually all of you owe me a congratulatory salulte.
Posted by Marc_Robson (anonymous) on May 12, 2008 at 9:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
That's what I thought. My level of perfection has stunned everyone into submission.
Posted by overthehill60 (anonymous) on May 12, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Marc_Robson are you sure 34 is not your IQ?
The only thing that has stunned everyone is your arrogrance & stupidity.
Posted by Marc_Robson (anonymous) on May 13, 2008 at 4:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, my IQ is officially 163. Thats almost as old as you!
Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on May 28, 2008 at 12:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I thought Marc was fun. Where'd he go?
Marc are you the same Marc Robson who lived on Lake St. John?
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