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Plans begin for Forks of the Road
Published Sunday, June 8, 2008
NATCHEZ — Thanks to half of a million dollars from the state, a plan is being set in motion to develop an interpretive center at the Forks of the Road site.
Mayor-elect Jake Middleton said the $500,000 will really kick start the project.
“I want to move forward with the Forks of the Road project,” Middleton said. “A lot of work has already been put into it and it needs to be completed.
“I’m just glad to see we got the money and that we can move forward with this project.”
The city has partnered with Grover Mouton, director of the Regional Urban Design Center in the School of Architecture at Tulane University, to bring this to fruition.
Mouton said the money will be used to create a comprehensive plan for the development of this site.
A conceptual plan, or design, has already been developed but the true plan is yet to come, he said.
“Now we have a draft we have to really develop,” Mouton said. “We really need to sit down and do this correctly.”
He said using the grant money, professional researchers and planning specialists can be hired to create a plan.
“Then we take our design work and make it better,” he said.
Mouton guessed the project would cost between $20 and $25 million based on centers he’s worked on in the past.
Mouton has assisted in planning and developing three interpretive centers — a women’s right center in Seneca Falls, N.Y., and two civil rights centers in Birmingham and Knoxville.
He said he was excited to be working on developing an interpretive center.
“I think it’s going to become one of the most important sites in America,” he said.
One thing that Mouton said is being considered is the acquisition of more land.
“The city only owns one third of what was on the site,” Mouton said.
Ser Seshs Ab Heter- C.M. Boxley, coordinator of the Friends of the Forks of the Road, said the properties across the street from the site right now, Custom Exteriors and Natchez Exhaust Services, are the best sites to acquire right now.
“Those are the two crucial private ownerships that needs to be immediately brought into public domain,” Boxley said.
He said that’s because it’s the site of the Franklin and Armfield operation, one of the largest slave trading operations in the country.
In addition to it being an important site, a lot of documented research currently exists on it.
“As an urban planner, if I was trying to move this thing along, I would be more interested in the site that has the most available information to be immediately presented to the public consumer,” Boxley said.
Another method of acquiring that land would be through the National Park Service.
Natchez National Historical Park Superintendent Kathleen Jenkins said a boundary study is currently being conducted.
This study is to determine whether the site meets the criteria to be added to the park service.
Then, the Natchez park could negotiate in acquiring that land.
Comments
Posted by gottabehappy (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
yawn
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Its not a pleasant thing to learn that your property is in the way of someone else's planned development. Unless, of course, you are keen on selling.
Marc Blackwood
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry, but if I were the owner of either of these businesses I would not only NOT sale but be pissed that they thought they were more important than me!
“I think it’s going to become one of the most important sites in America,” I've heard that one before
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wasted time,money,and space.Down the road are potholes that will tear a car,s front end from it,s moorings.
Posted by Hardcorps (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Little Bobby Frost wrote a poem once about a fork in the road. It was an inspirational group of wordage. No land was taken. No politics were involved. And it was not "one of the most important sites in America."
No big deal was made of it. No glory hounds around wanting their faces in print. Just a lesson in life.
The people who took this fork are pretty well off today. The ones who stayed home have a continent full of aids, wars, starvation, butchery, and no hope.
Here there is hope for all. I hope the project goes through with no hitches.
Posted by generoberts (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Such wisdom........yawn!
Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I am with you sayitloud...I would be pissed.......
I also agree with texasranger so many roads need fixing...If it messes your front end up send bill to the city.....People in Jackson started sending there bill to the city the road got patched.
Posted by kpage (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Little Bobby Frost...I swear one day, Hardcorps, you're gonna make me bust a gut and I'm sending you the bill!!! Ahaaahahhahahahaaaa!
Posted by reb1843 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You heard it here first. Any 'interpretive' sign will be very politically-correct (read: not historically-correct) and will show the South in a bad light regardless. The yankee's transportation of Africans to the New World will be played down. And, the NPS (National Park Service) will have us all singing Kumbaya, indulging in a Coke, and waiting in line for a group hug.
The only fork in the road that needs fixing are the holes.
Posted by oldschool (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, We see that some in Natchez must not want to move on from the slavery days! Since this so so important over education, jobs, security, and other important things. I just really think this is a WASTE of money and padding of other people pockets who don't deserive the money. But ya know US PEA ON'S KNOW NOTHING!!! I think this is going to cause more problems in Natchez than what people know.
Posted by Riffian1964 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I wonder why these folks don't want to do something that would make a difference to our future..... such as establishing things for the kids to do, scholarships for kids from Natchez, etc. instead of beating the same old drum. Everyone know slavery is wrong, even though it still exists in the modern world. Let's move forward with events and entities that will make a better future.
Posted by Hambone (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Mouton said the money will be used to create a comprehensive plan for the development of this site."
$500,000 for a plan? Then the grand total is going to be $20-25 MILLION!!!!
I agree with Riffian1964, use the $$$ to create an endowed scholly you could send several kids to school on that each year.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
When will the federal,state,and local politicians ever stop with this sideshow of spending our tax dollars for history and a few in a click where the monies go round and round. With the price of fuel causing EVERYTHING to skyrocket. Soon it will filter down to everyone. When they turn off your electricity and you can,t afford to go ANYWHERE, then we will maybe be on the capitol steps protesting and like Enrikur or whatever his name is..hard to spell. We will learn and want to understand the laws and who gets and spends what. As of today,lots of taxpayers monies are wasted for preserving this and that,and to line the right peoples pockets. They call it all sorts of things,but the bottom line is the monies are being used by the same politicians,lawyers,officals,heads of whatever in federal and state goverment. It won,t be long till the very hard times hit,just hold on a little longer
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 7:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
texasranger...as usually your rant is just that an angry, bitter rant full of bile, spelling, grammar and logic errors.
Would it be alright with you if state and federal dollars were spent to repair Beauvoir, the last home of Jefferson Davis, after it was damaged by Katrina, probably, so what's the problem here?...nevermind you don't have to bother, I think we all know the answer.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The first article regarding this was for a $5,000.00 through the African American Experience Fund of the National Park Foundation to create a strategic plan for heritage tourism.
Now has the State chimed in with an additional $500,000.00? It doesn't seem very clear. Is the State funding also for planning or for the project as a whole? It seems too large a number simply for a plan for this relatively small site, but $5,000.00 wouldn't have been enough so what's the deal ND?
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sammohon, I personally would not approve of state and federal money to repair Beauvoir, until everyone who lost everything had homes to go to, a job to be able to put food on the table, schools, and churchs. Then we can talk about non-essential spending. I think the same could be said here. Natchez is in need of so much. I realize it is grant money, and I have in the past been in favor of spending grant money. But the more I think about where that money came from, the less I like spending it on "historical sites" when people can't even pay their gas bill.
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freedom42, the "historical sites" represent jobs. Should we turn those people out and makes them jobless/homeless? Even construction for new sites and reconstruction of damaged sites represents jobs.
Marc
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It just amazes me how the money "magically" appears from thin air....depends on what it is for huh?
Posted by blackdog (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I want a Irish american fork of the road. I thought we were all americans. Whats fair for one heritage should be done for all.
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Where did the idea come from that the Forks represents one race? This place was a major historical shopping area.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 8:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Marc, I think you took it the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with construction, renovation, etc., and I know it does provide some with jobs. However, I am becoming more and more fed up with tax money being given, in the form of grants, to everyone who wants one. You do realize that there are web sites that specialilze in helping you get a grant no matter what you want it for. I can't see that the Forks project will bring that many jobs for anyone.
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freedom42, I don't know how many jobs the Forks project would ultimately provide. Maybe nothing more than historical markers. My main concern is the animosity constantly raised against. I believe in looking history and truth in the face and not hiding from it. And one man's historical interest may be vastly different from that of someone else. Personally, I do not understand someone wanting to take a tour of Auschwitz, but they do. I might would take a tour of Andersonville or Bosque Redondo but I would still feel slightly morbid about it. Since this site is of historical importance and is sitting here in our (Natchez) laps, we need to make it and it's story available. My personal opinion, of course.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
And I have no problem with making it available. I just want them to find the money through private donations, fund raisers, whatever else it takes. If people want to build it, they can find a way. I prefer my tax money, and I do pay a lot, to be used to help people here and now. And that is my opinion.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think that we need a Forks of the Road for every ethnic group!
Posted by skippydammit (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why not fix the "pot-HOLES in the roads" and then
(and only then)
begin working on the "Forks in the roads" ?
Just a suggestion.
:)
p.s.
will those of us with Scottish backgrounds
get a "KILTS in the road" any time soon ?
Holding my breath- NOT !
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rushinghjr, If your ancestors went shopping at the Forks then you are represented. The way I see it, this is historical and represents all ethnic groups involved during that period of history.
Posted by Hardcorps (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I had a dream. Last night I had a dream I had come to the fork in the road. Then I woke up. Guess it twern't that impertint ninnywho.
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
skippydammit, my Scottish, Irish and English ancestors owned slaves in Mississippi, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, New York and possibly in Connecticut and Massachusetts. Like Old Grand Dad said, this place (Forks) represents my history too. The IS our place in the road.
Marc
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
HardC-That's a good one!
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Who are you kidding about who this project is aimed at? This IS a black historical site and does NOT any any form or fashion represent anything about me and MY ancestors! WHEN do we start representing all and not just "some"?
fair is fair
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What does Choctaw represent?
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks SayItLoud!
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Choctaw???
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OldGranddad-What are you refering to?
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey rushing!
I take it you don't get it either huh?
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OldGrandDad is trying to find his correct glasses, Say! I do not know were he got the word Choctaw from-maybe I'm missing something?
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Marc...I did go to Andersonville...my ancestors fought for the Confederacy...I was appalled at the travesty that was Andersonville, but the National Park Service also explained that it was not all the fault of the Confederacy...U.S. Grant had ceased the practice of prisoner swaps overwhelming the ability of Andersonville and other Confederate prison camps to cope with the Union prisoners.
They also explained that many Union prison camps were only minimally better simply because the Union had more resources. The prisoners at Andersonville had almost the same rations as the Confederate soldiers themselves.
Henry Wirz, the commandant was executed, even though testimony about his supposed atrocities would later be proved false, and the fact he did all he humanly could to help the prisoners didn't save him...this was not a pleasant look at my personal history, but I'm glad it is preserved...so shouldn't this history of both black and white be preserved? I think so.
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you and me both rushing!
Throw me a bone on this one OId....my best guess whould be, oh I don't know....a blonde ding bat?!
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Color is used to stand behind by some people when they don,t or won,t put forth an effort to take care of themself.
They use 100,s of excuses to work a system that is taught daily in the ranks of such. We are going into yet another stage of huge welfare fraud.I was raised at a young age with people that were not my color,never had a problem with any of them. i played with them when i was young,went through the Jackson memorandum at work, i worked with all races of people for 35 years. I don,t even know Beauvoir is,never did. I wouldn,t want any monies spent in this day and time for anything except worthwhile projects.
We are NOT on the receiving end of tourism dollars,only a selected few profit from tourists. Like i said before my relief for some 20 odd years or so was the worst relief at IPCO. If he was competition orange with a dodge blue racing stripe he would still one of the worst reliefs to walk through a millyard gate,and before you ask. He also relieved people of his own race. They didn,t like it or him either. He was just a sorry co-worker,all he did was scream,we were racists,but oddly enough I guess he was referring to his own color too. It was always an excuse he used to try to stir up trouble. So lay off me sammohon,find someone else to lash out at. Your comments are what you feel is right,so are mine.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sayitloud...who ARE you...who ARE your ancestors...they may be more involved than you know or care to admit.
The point is exactly as you expressed it, fair is fair...historical sites should be preserved, for all...in this place it happens to be for the black folks...in other areas in town it's for the white folks...in other places in this country it's for the people of whatever extraction...why protest this site so much unless it is for other ulterior motives?
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
my opinions are just that....MY opinions sam.
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
show me Sam, if you can, just WHAT in this town is for WHITES ONLY?
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sayitloud...your opinions are fine, I'm glad you have some, but to illuminate the rest of us, why is YOUR heritage not a part of this history?
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
texasranger...you're pissed at a single person and condemning a race because of it...pretty narrow minded if you ask me, but then you didn't...oh, well...it's just my opinion
You are a sad case...it's obvious you don't know what you're talking about regarding race or tourism, you express your faulty ideas ignorantly, illiterately and illogically...not my fault, it's yours.
BTW, that was an alliteration, look it up.
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sayitloud, my ancestry is represented by antebellum agriculture and slave trade. Perhaps some of the buildings under the hill are more representative of your own. But I'm for preserving those too. Preservation, truth, justice and the american way......
rushinghjr, it was a pointed remark. Not general. Sorry.
Posted by sayitloud (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
well whatev, I'm gone to bed now....later
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sayitloud...that is EXACTLY my point...there is no TRUE history of Natchez that is for WHITES ONLY...it is a history of indians, french, spanish, english, blacks of differing nationalities and tribes, and later irish, scotch, german, etc...ALL OF US!...and if you choose to keep whatever you are separate from that wonderful mix that has made Natchez and the US then I guess you are an island unto yourself...and we all know that "no man is an island".
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well said Sam, but please remember...
"All lies and jest, still, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest". - Paul Simon
Marc
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Marc...thank you for the compliment, but I don't really try to influence people such as texasranger and sayitloud knowing they are recalcitrant...I try to reach the others who are reading that are more open minded.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OldGrandDad...were you speaking of the antebellum mansion "Choctaw"...just guessing.
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Heeheeheeeeeeee
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OGD...did I tickle your funny bone?
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sam, just laughing at your correct assumption. Yes, I was not referring to the street or the tribe.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
worked with a guy once at the mill. He wrote many articles like some with long words that the average person doesn,t understand. I don,t see a need for the words you have to look up. Experience plays into living a lot,what you have seen and heard and lived. most folks are about as happy as they want to be i say and you don,t seem real happy,you seem to want to let off steam at lots of folks in here, i hope your day is better tommorrow. The guy that put the articles in the mills inhouse paper were written by someone else. He just copied and posted them,which were read but not understood by a lot of folks because the wording was too long and kinda boring,sorta kinda,kinda sorta,didn,t impress a lot of people. A older guy at work told me once If a college graduate or a lazy man ever gets to be your boss,you,ve got big time trouble. He was right..College graduates read and comprehend many more words than a high school graduate,so i guess i kneed to go back to college because i might not pell 2 guud. We didn,t like that feller either,neither did his race.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Alliteration is the repetition of the first consonant sound in a phrase. A common example in English is "Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers". Alliteration can take the form of assonance, the repetition of a vowel, or consonance, the repetition of a consonant; however, unlike a strict definition of alliteration, both assonance and consonance can regularly occur within words as opposed to being limited to the word's initial sound. Some critics hold the opinion that the term "alliteration" applies just as accurately to phonetic repetitions that occur elsewhere than the first position (first letter), sometimes falling on later syllables, yet retaining alliterative properties due to the form of the example's meter, which, through affecting the syllables' stress may mimic the intensity of the initial. ???...I STEAL HAVE NO IDEE WHAD THAT MEANS...I REALDEE DON,T ..REALDEE
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've worked in the trenches and I've gone to college too...I've got the best of both worlds, experience wise, and I'm not worried about being liked anymore particularly by narrow-minded people like you...I'm fine in my skin, you seem not to be in yours, I don't blame you, it should feel uncomforable.
BTW, the spelling and grammar you display should have been corrected long before graduation from high school...somebody must have just wanted to get you out of the class...I guess you "kneed" to consider how you reconcile your opinions with your god...you know it's not right.
Posted by blackwood (anonymous) on June 8, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NATCHEZ — Thanks to half of a million dollars from the state, a plan is being set in motion to develop an interpretive center at the Forks of the Road site.
Mayor-elect Jake Middleton said the $500,000 will really kick start the project.
“I want to move forward with the Forks of the Road project,” Middleton said. “A lot of work has already been put into it and it needs to be completed.
“I’m just glad to see we got the money and that we can move forward with this project.”
Back to the topic, I think this is excellent. Good things seem to be happening.
Marc
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
texasranger...at least someone has taught you something...how to cut and paste from google...maybe...nah, I thought for a second there might be hope for you, but I doubt it.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 12:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
College peeps never impressed us on the job much. They were kinda like the mudgrips Armstrong made years ago.
Guys used to say the tires had just enough tread to get you stuck in a big mudhole. College grads i guess for the most part they are okee,except when you need common sense and help closing a really squeaking wheel on a valve in the top of the fifth floor of the bleach plant. The bosses and college graduates went home on the weekends,most of them didn,t work shift work. The mill ran better with them at the house. It actually ran better when they were gone most weekends,but they didn,t really see it that way..and from the sound of your articles i kinda wonder about the trenches,college maybe,but it must have been a real short trench. I just can,t picture you running a 150 pound jackhammer on 12 hour nights for 3 weeks straight.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I surely feel sorry for any kids you might have had...they probably aren't any better educated or enlightened than you.
As for my work history...I've dug foundations, laid reinforcing steel, laid pipe, dug ditches, framed buildings, made cabinetry, done roofing, and dozens of other manual labor tasks in the oilfield, construction, and yes, even in the paper mill fields.
You don't know anything about me, but I know something about you from your postings...you are arrogant, bigoted, myopic, and thank goodness a dinosaur nearing extinction.
Posted by veroniss (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Natchez is so stupid.I myself know alot of children and young folks that do not have anything to do,or anywhere to go.Oh but let us get so involved with the fork in the road lol and let our young go to the dogs.Get the children things to do,a place to go.Forget the stupid forks in or on the road.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
it still the truth what i say. You know it and the ones i,m talking about know it.
They know who they are and they don.t work or pay taxes.Annually, 75 percent of drugs arrive from Mexico at a net cost of $120 billion hard currency that leaves our country for good. In addition, our tax dollars pay $80 billion for the War on Drugs each year. It is a war that hasn’t been won in the past 30 years and drugs are as available today to your teenager as they were in 1970.
When an alien criminal gets caught for rape, murder or drug distribution, you pay $1.6 billion annually in prison costs to house, feed and clothe those filling 30 percent of our federal and state prisons—not to mention TV, movies, weight rooms and other entertainment—they enjoy while being incarcerated.
How about illegal alien anchor babies? Over 300,000 women annually arrive pregnant and drop them on U.S. soil. You pay food, housing, medical and schooling for them to age 18 PLUS their mother. According to the Center for Immigration Studies, average annual cost per child K-12 is $7,161.00 and exceeds $109 billion annually per cycle of anchor babies. That’s your money given out to 300,000 moms and their kids annually and all they did was get pregnant and birth that child on U.S. soil.
It,s just a small part you said right??
That doesn,t count all the americans on welfare,It doesn,t even begin to scratch the surface really.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 2:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
People are rapidly being more concerned about making ends meet than spending monies on heritage. All that won,t and never did feed,clothe,or buy fuel for our homes and vehicles to go to work.The taxpayers are paying the fiddler,not the ones scamming and working the systems. I personally have heard enough about the past,it serves very little purpose for my concerns. I,m more concerned about how to pay bills,and take care of rising health costs,insurance premiums,skyrocketing fuel costs,etc.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 6:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
texasranger...so many people to hate, so little time...sigh.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 8:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sam, you know I don't really believe he hates people, he just hates the way the system is worked. I know that when you only have a certain amount of money, no way to get more, and prices keep going up it is downright scary - been there, done that, hopefully will not do it again. But it is hard to see some getting freebies when you can't make ends meet, and it is hard seeing your tax money go to things which really in the long run of life are unnecessary to your survival. Just sayin' as others put it.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 9, 2008 at 10:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
freedom42...I don't like freeloaders and people who work the system either, but I don't think he has the right to extend that dislike to a whole race or races, since he doesn't seem to like latinos either, without being challenged...most of the abusers and many of the most agregious are white. It's the same thing the Nazis convinced poor, scared Germans to believe of the Jews, Slavs and others who died in the Holocaust, that they were the cause of the white German's suffering.
He'll probably say something now about serving in WWII, but I'll say thank you for your service, but you're still a hypocrite. Why should the black folks be deprived of their piece of the historic pie? Just because an old bitter white man lambasts it in a rage over the insufficiency of his relief man twenty years ago or the insufficiency of HIS entitlements like social security, medicare and union pension?
No, freedom42, I feel no sympathy for him...I've been in hard times too, but it's not an excuse for the hatred he spews.
Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Well you are certainly right there sam. Nobody has the right to hate a whole race, we've seen that with the Nazis in WWII, the klan since the 1860's, and countless other racist groups. I have been called racist because I don't appreciate the forcing of black heritage on others. It's their heritage, if they want to celebrate it fine. Just don't force it on others, and please don't use my tax money to do so.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A black congresswoman from Florida has complained that the names of hurricanes are all Caucasian-sounding. She would prefer some names that reflect African-American culture, such as Chamiqua, Tanisha, Woeisha, Shaqueal, and Jamal
She would also like the weather reports to be broadcast in 'language' that street people can understand, because one of the problems that happened in New Orleans was that black people couldn't understand the seriousness of the situation due to the racially biased language of the weather report.
Posted by Hambone (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How can one consciously ask for that kind of money? That is one thing gone wrong in this country. Selfishness. Our country is TRILLIONS of dollars in debt, people cannot afford to drive to work, schools need money and the highway still ain’t paved. I’m not just picking on this project, but all needless spending needs to be put on hold.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 4:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I agree.They can start with all the giveaways.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 5:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Amnesty Will Cost U.S. Taxpayers at Least $2.6 Trillion
by Robert E. Rector
WebMemo #1490
The Senate is currently considering a massive immigration reform bill, the "Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007" (S. 1348). This bill would grant amnesty to nearly all illegal immigrants currently in the United States.
The fiscal consequences of this amnesty will vary depending on the time period analyzed. It is expected that many illegal immigrants who are currently working "off the books" and paying no direct taxes will begin to work "on the books" after receiving amnesty, and therefore tax payments will rise immediately. By contrast, under S. 1348, benefits to these immigrants from Social Security, Medicare, and most means-tested welfare programs (such as Food Stamps, public housing, and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families) will be delayed for many years. In consequence, then, the increase in taxes and fines paid by amnesty recipients may initially exceed slightly the increase in government benefits received. In the long run, however, the opposite will be true. In particular, the cost of retirement benefits for amnesty recipients is likely to be very large. Overall, the net cost to taxpayers of retirement benefits for amnesty recipients is likely to be at least $2.6 trillion.
I think somebody on here said it wasn,t that much,maybe i was wrong,I can,t remember exactly,but i think it,s more than people realize,It has been spiraled out of control bigtime,and it,s only gonna get much worse. This could very well be the STUPIEST stunt they have pulled so far on the hill.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 10, 2008 at 10:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you will be called lots of names anytime you have a opnion that is not liked in here. Doesn,t matter if it makes good common sense,or not.A lot of people call you names because they don,t want to step up to the plate,or hear the truth. When you hit home,they know it and dog you out.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 11, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
How about a statue of General Robert E. Lee in the Forked Road site. He was a important part of the history of that time,why do they just pick certain ones and subjects to spend all these federal dollars on. Course when they give the illegal immigrants 2 or 3 trillion, i guess that,s okay.
Or pump another trillion or so into welfare. How much gas would a trillion dollars buy.?Enter the lawyers,politicians to get their piece of the pie.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 12, 2008 at 2:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
me thinks it,s a little more than just a little,taxpayer dollars that is.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 12, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Trying to reach others by dogging out their kids,ain,t too smart in a small southern town. Someday such may backfire on you.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 12, 2008 at 9:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I didn't dog your kids...I said I felt sympathy for them being raised by such a person as you...my hope is that they have rebeled against your hate and become good people.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 12, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There is a line everywhere that people need to tiptoe around,I don,t involve people families or children in my comments, I see that as a weakness of the mind,mainly yours..my kids have nothing to do with what i say or comment about on here. You need to shut your face about my family.I don,t need your personal remarks about my kids or anybody else,s kids.
Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 12, 2008 at 10:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Say all you want about me,Leave the kids alone, I feel sympathy for you period.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 13, 2008 at 2:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hope you Guys vote for a good conservative, John McCain! He's all we have to maybe bring some "sanity" to our Country at this time?
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