Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 1:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SECTION 1. The purpose of this act is to create the St. Catherine Creek Utility Authority for the purpose of providing solid waste, storm water, water and wastewater systems for economic development activities within Adams County. The act provides for a cooperative effort by an area situated within Adams County, Mississippi, including the areas situated within the corporate boundaries of any existing municipality and other eligible municipalities, public agencies and political subdivisions, for the acquisition, construction, operation of a user funded solid waste, storm water, water or wastewater systems, in order to prevent and control the pollution of the waters in this state by the creation of the St. Catherine Creek Utility Authority. This act may be citied as the "St. Catherine Creek Utility Authority Act."

Why does the Democrat keep presenting the Creek Authority as having been created to handle only Rentech waste when the act clearly gives the Authority power over all of Adams County?

" (s) To establish and maintain rates, fees, assessments and any other charges for services and the use of systems and facilities within the control of the authority, and from time to time, to adjust such rates, fees, assessments and any other charges to the end that the revenues therefrom will be sufficient at all times to pay the expenses of operating and maintaining of the facilities and treatment systems and all of the obligations under any contract or bond resolutions with respect thereto or any obligation of any person under any agreement, contract, indenture or bond resolutions with respect thereto. Such rates, fees, assessments and any other charges shall not be subject to the jurisdiction of the Mississippi Public Service Commission."

Will the residents of Adams County allow this Authority to continue to exist when it has such power over the county and its directors are not elected?

Posted by rattlesnake (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 2:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks again Enkikur for telling it the way it is. Hate to say it but the residents probably will allow this to continue because they think it willnot affect them or they just dont care.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 2:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Section 18.6, Chapter 18 of Agenda 21 sets forth this problem:

"The fragmentation of responsibilities for water resources development among sectoral agencies is proving, however, to be an even greater impediment to promoting integrated water management than had been anticipated. Effective implementation and coordination mechanisms are required."

The Creek Authority is a sub-sectoral coordinating mechanism for Agenda 21 implementation.

Section 18.8 tells us:
"In developing and using water resources, priority has to be given to the satisfaction of basic needs and the safeguarding of ecosystems. Beyond these requirements, however, water users should be charged appropriately"

Agenda 21 says 10 gallons a day fulfills the basic need; beyond that be prepared to pay a much higher rate. Local authorities are being established world wide to carry out this plan, and by 2012 OECD nations have agreed to have this plan implemented. The US is an OECD nation.

Section 18.12:
"(d) Optimization of water resources allocation under physical and socio-economic constraints;

(e) Implementation of allocation decisions through demand management, pricing mechanisms and regulatory measures"

Your children and grandchildren are going to be subject to water control and the present board of supervisors is complicit in this plan in allowing the Creek Authority to exist. You must get rid of it.

Section 18.25:
"(b) To have all countries, according to their financial means, allocate to water resources assessment financial resources in line with the economic and social needs for water resources data;
(c) To ensure that the assessment information is fully utilized in the development of water management policies
d) To have all countries establish the institutional arrangements needed to ensure the efficient collection, processing, storage, retrieval and dissemination to users of information about the quality and quantity of available water resources at the level of catchments and groundwater aquifers in an integrated manner"

The Creek Authority is empowered to collect this information for use in the national cataloguing of water resources which will be subject to UN control and not local control:

Section 5u, SB 3208
"u) To enter on public or private lands, waters or premises for the purpose of making surveys, borings or soundings, or conducting tests, examinations or inspections for the purposes of the district"

The Creek Authority is not required to give notice or have warrant to enter your property. Is this the America you want? If not, stop it in Adams County.

Chapter 18, Agenda 21:
http://www.un.org/esa/sustdev/documents/...

SB 3208:
http://billstatus.ls.state.ms.us/documen...

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 2:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Agenda 21 Section 18.27:

B) Data systems:
i) Review existing data-collection networks and assess their adequacy, including those that provide real-time data for flood and drought forecasting;

ii) Improve networks to meet accepted guidelines for the provision of data on water quantity and quality for surface and groundwater, as well as relevant land-use data;

iii) Apply standards and other means to ensure data compatibility;

iv) Upgrade facilities and procedures used to store, process and analyse hydrologic data and make such data and the forecasts derived from them available to potential users;

v) Establish databases on the availability of all types of hydrologic data at the national level;

vi) Implement "data rescue" operations, for example, establishment of national archives of water resources;

vii) Implement appropriate well-tried techniques for the processing of hydrologic data;

viii) Derive area-related estimates from point hydrologic data;

ix) Assimilate remotely sensed data and the use, where appropriate, of geographical information systems

Posted by rattlesnake (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 3:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sounds like another step towards total government control.

Posted by cherron (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 4:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Is the only thing ya'll have to do with your lives is make life harder for other ppl? Stop gripping and do something. Really its starting to irritate me. Say something positive about something it'll make u feel better.

Momma told me that if u can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We've got so many illegal dumps on private land and many which are directly into creek beds, at this point I really could care less if they can come onto my property or anyone else's for a check on water quality or creek protection. I've had my property trashed for years by stuff that washes from upstream. We need some policing. Of course, I shoot a lot so it would be wise of them to check with me first, in the interest of general safety. But I'd like to see the hammer come down on the rednecks that throw garbage, deer, cars and whatever into creek beds.

Posted by xenon314 (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 9:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ahh, yes, Enkikur - I knew full well that you would jump on this one.

If you are so concerned about Adams County, why don't you move here and help fix things, since, according to you, they are so broken here?

Are you this active in whatever place you live? Or do you just spout your conspiracy theories there, as well?

Posted by kpage (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I wish the county would give me a big ole loan, with repayment centered on a "huge time frame", and sweet, precious thought given to the fact that my income may not be enough to pay it back. Risky, risky. Who's big idea was this? I'll bet he's got a brown nose!

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Dr. Xenon,

I see your fascination with me continues in spite of the fact that under claims of high offense you earlier said you would have no more to do with me. Your only consistency is in name calling, an act I would not necessarily associate with a doctor of philosophy.

How is it you see local implementation of international treaty as conspiracy theory? The papers explaining the policy are public record, freely available on government web sites.

Yours Truly,
Marty Ellerbe, Fh.G., S.G.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 12:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Everyone is for policing the other guy OldGrandDad.

The problem with the Creek Authority is that it has the power to acquire land for economic development using the eminent domain power of the supervisory board that appointed the Authority. One economic development project being discussed is the lake buildiing project on the creek. The Authority, if it deems it in the interest of the residents of Adams County, can take land from homeowners along the creek to use as part of that project. For those homeowners upstream pollution will cease to be a problem.

I agree that it takes a special kind of knucklehead to throw things into the creeks and gullies. In Houston after a heavy rain large swirls of debris are seen floating in the ship channel, washed out of the drainage ditches and bayous. This debris consists primarily of tennis and other balls, packing peanuts, and condoms. You can tell a lot about the residents of an area by their pollution.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 2:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The main point about the Authority OldGrandDad, regardless of whatever individual benefits one might imagine in using the Authority to gain one's own ends, is that it represents an attempted usurpation of individual rights. The whole basis of it is that collective rights are more important than individual rights.

This line of thinking takes us back to a time we fought hard to escape. We have come back to a place where the nation considers that suspension of habeus corpus by the Patriot Act is a desirable thing. The Authority is set to act on the same sort of premise, that suspension of individual rights is a good thing.

Habeus corpus freed thousands of slaves in England:
http://research.history.org/Historical_R...

http://unenumerated.blogspot.com/2006/10...

The Authority's power to enter property suspends the fourth amendment:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 2:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Then, what else should we expect of a local electorate who abuses their taxing power to give gifts to local business, and a Commander in Chief who feels the document he derives his power from "is just a g-d piece of paper"?

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/pu...

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 5:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So the county doesn't have the money to keep putting fuel in the trucks and sheriff's cars, but they can loan out $100,000 to a water policing agency which no one voted on and most of us don't want? Give me a break please!

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enk - I have a question. I read the water resources link you put in for Agenda 21, and it seems to be saying that if the water authority people come on my land and deem that I am watering my personal veg. garden to much I have to shut off the water and let my garden die, because the water is needed for the "greater good". Am I reading this right?

Posted by Username (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 5:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

But that document isn't written on paper....It's written on parchment.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)

EnKiKur, in my lifetime I've seen eminent domain used against my family 3 times. Twice for roads and once for a pipeline. At some point maybe I stand my ground, huh? Isn't that what the 2nd amendment is for?

The pipeline was the most galling of the three. How much do you pay for natural gas? How about all of the people of Mississippi in January? And how much profit is the "gas company" making? And yet they wanted to pipe that gas from their fields to you across my land and pay me very little and also tell me it is for the "good of Mississippi" and they could force the issue through eminent domain if necessary. This was a private enterprise that the state allowed to do this to me. Its not like they needed to straighten a curve in the road.

But in the end I got a decent deal, even though I would have preferred to have the right to say "no".

Private land is one issue. Waterways are another. Creeks and rivers belong to everyone. Everyone upstream can impact the folks downstream. And in some cases the reverse can happen with dams and weirs and such. My creek is the jewel of my little piece of heaven and I don't want it flooded from below or trashed from above.

I said all along that the St. Catherine Creek project would involve eminent domain seizures of land along the creek. There are folks thinking they will have a nice section of waterway in their backyards but will later find they have no backyard at all. Maybe a parking lot and public boat ramp instead? And some homes may even have to disappear. But I'm sure the land seizures will be strategically placed so that certain people are not affected.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 7:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

The St. Catherine Utility Authority has no more power than to take care of Rentech's waste until the landfill is full...from that point on it is simply a caretaker organization...its Board is appointed by and sits at the pleasure of the Board of Supervisors who can remove any and all, at anytime for any reason. While I realize EnKiKur is keen on Agenda 21, and some of it's elements do trouble me...this isn't a part of Agenda 21 and has nothing to do with your piece of creek heaven OGD...relax people.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 7:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam, I spend more time worrying about the trash from upstream than I do the stuff downstream. Flooding me out is only a remote, vague potential threat. But the trash comes downstream after every rain.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 8:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OGD...but that has nothing to do with my point or EnKiKur's...he is consumed with the idea that the Authority is part of a UN conspiracy to condemn the world to socialism...I'm just pointing out that the Authority only has jurisdiction over a soon to be close landfill and has local control...they don't control any water at all except to monitor ground water contamination around the landfill.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 8:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam, actually that WAS my own point too. Meaning, concerning the "Authority", I ain't worried about it. I don't consider them to be a threat. I got enough worries of my own.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 9:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

OGD...I misconstrued your meaning...I think that the UN is suspect regarding motives aimed at world government...and I think the environmentalists have too much relative influence in this country.

I don't believe that there is enough cohesiveness within either of those two entities to ultimately doom the US to socialism as EnKiKur seems to think.

I remember the dire warnings of McCarthy and the John Birch Society relegating us to fall to communism if we didn't wake up and arm ourselves immediately...the St. Catherine Utility Authority isn't a big bad boogie man...it has very little power at all.

I think you're right OGD...for the foreseeable future...worry about your patch of ground and not some world encompassing, nefarious scheme to rule the world...it hasn't got legs...in fact, there's probably going to be more problems with global cooling in our future than global warming.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 9:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam, you are dead wrong about what the Authority has power over. It has power over all of Adams County and I think you know that- you've read the act and it is clearly stated in the act. All any other water supplier has to do to come under the jurisdiction of the Authority is to connect one piece of pipe to the Authority system. That is spelled out clearly as well:

Section 3. SB 3208
"The authority is composed of the geographic area of Adams County for the purpose of acquiring property for economic development and for the planning, acquisition, construction, maintenance, operation and coordination of solid waste, storm water, water and wastewater systems in order to ensure the delivery of solid waste, storm water, water and wastewater services to citizens residing within the boundaries of Adams County."

Section 6:
(4) Any system of any municipality, public agency or other persons which becomes connected with, or tied into, the systems of the authority, shall be subject to the authority's jurisdiction and the terms of this act.

(5) The authority shall approve all solid waste, storm water, water and wastewater systems prior to approval or renewal of any permit issued by the appropriate state agency or staff."

This is far, far more than you are representing Sam. Two things are worth noting that are of most immediate concern to Adams Coumty residents. The first is that the Authority is going to be used to consolidate the city and county and direct development in the new conglomeration. That is whay the EDA members serve as the board of the Authority. The second is that Rentech is going to be generating some very hazardous waste. Is that waste going to be stored in Adams County? One of the few things Adams County has going for it is its relative purity. The Authority is the body that will be controlling the transport and storage of that hazardous waste.

Why do you insist on referring to some nefarious UN scheme Sam? Agenda 21 is an embraced policy of the US government. Agenda 21 says in its pages it wishes to promote a new idea of property rights as "shifting and dynamic agreements between two or more parties".

The connecton of the Creek Authority to Agenda 21 can be clearly seen in the symbolism of sustainable development used on both the source of the Authority biil, the Gulf Region Plan, and on the Mississippi Department of Environmental Quality sites. I am speaking of the three e's used in their logos, a UN creation. This really isn't debatable. Believe your supervisors Sam if you want, they've never concealed or lied about anything before have they?

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)

freedom, you are reading it right. You seem to have a much better comprehension of what is written there than Sam does. 2025 is the hard date set for full implementation of the water part of Agenda 21 with stepped goals along the way, 2012 being one of the target years.

The US government has spent hundreds of millions of dollars on this already freedom. The government is very serious about it even if they don't talk about it. The reason it is being done quietly now is because of serious backlash and resistance that occured in the 90's out west.

Not surprisingly many people are all for the implementation of Agenda 21 because since 1970 schools have been overtly teaching something called earth sciences which promote the philosophy of Agenda 21. That is why the schools have the earth day celebrations and why so many schools showed Gore's film 'An Inconvenient Truth' when by any standards that film is a misconstruction of truth.

It is because people refuse to see what is before them that government continues to grow and become more obtrusive. When you hear Obama and McCain talking about creating green collar jobs what they are talking about is the creation of jobs necessary for the implementation of the policies of Agenda 21; if you read the link you know that under each section it outlines the need for specially trained people of certain sorts to make sure the policies are enacted and enforced. All this army of environmental police are going to be paid for by taxpayers, government will be much larger than it is now. How hard is that to see? It is written down and carefully explained.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

freedom, here is a site that gives a good history of Agenda 21 in America during the 90's. It is straight from the good ole US government, the President's Council on Sustainable Development.

You will notice that things are presented in groups of three, because it is believed by the powers that be that humans learn best when things are grouped in three's.

http://clinton4.nara.gov/PCSD/Publicatio...

If you visit the Mississippi Department of Enviromental Quality you will see the three e logo of Sustainable Development with one lower case e represesenting land, one for water, and one for air.

Posted by olderthandirt (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 10:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

EnKiKur, just curious, where do you live? In Adams County, Natchez?

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 15, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Traditional state and county boundaries no longer apply within the US olderthandirt. Visit the US Department of Commerce Economic Development Administration website to learn why, so it doesn't matter where I live so long as I live in the Delta Region.

Sandy Baruah, Asst. Secretary of Commerce for EDA last Sept. 7:

"Second, in our new 21st Century global economy, we must acknowledge what we all learned on the school playgrounds of our youth, that we are stronger when we stand together than when we stand alone.

Standing together means that we need to look beyond traditional political jurisdictions – the city boundary, the county line, even the division between States – and work together"

The Dept. of Commerce is not shy about spelling out what it is doing. Neither are any of the other federal departments, they just know not many people go to their sites. And when people do visit those sites and tell others what they found, people like Sam and xenon call them conspiracy theorists- when they just happen to be interested readers.

Read her whole speech here:
http://www.eda.gov/NewsEvents/Speeches3/...

But don't stop there, link back to the EDA homepage and keep reading. We are getting a new form of government that allows business to help govern:

"Public-Private partnerships become more critical every day. While governments at all levels, universities and other non-profit institutions are important players, let’s not forget that the private sector is the most important element of any successful economic development strategy......The private sector should not just have a seat at the table, but should actively be engaged as full partners in strategies for economic growth "

Franklin Roosevelt, April 29 1938:
"Liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power"

Posted by Hardcorps (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

EnKiKur thanks.
"We have come back to a place where the nation considers that suspension of habeus corpus by the Patriot Act is a desirable thing." This is so true. I don't watch faux noise channel but I heard they really decried the Supreme Court decision last week. A study was run in Maryland that said people who watched only faux news were of less intelligence than the rest of the population. This was an official survey. I'll try to find it.

Hardcorps, BBA, MBA

Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

EnKiKur, have you read the Bible lately. As much as you love to see what makes documents tick, this would make some facinatining reading for you. All the things you are preaching about here do not surprise those of us who do read the Bible. It provides "blessed assurance" for us. Do not take one verse and try to dissect before you read the whole. Read it first from beginning to end and then dissect.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

frogprincenessntz, you are right about the Bible. After going to some of the links Enkikur has put up, and checking with some of my end of times study guides, I do believe it all. We all need to wake up and smell the skunks.
But then comes the question, what can we as individuals do about any of it. Control seems to have been taken out of the hands of the people, without most of us ever being aware of it.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 4:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)

freedom, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Charles Lindbergh, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and John Kennedy, among others, all warned about what we see happening in our country today, the control of government by private interests.

Wilson and Roosevelt unwittingly helped to bring about this present state of affairs, Wilson through the influence of Mandell House promoting the Federal Reserve, and Franklin Roosevelt by confiscating the lawful money of the people and forcing them to take worthless paper notes in exchange.

Jackson narrowly escaped assassination in his fight against the Second Bank of the United States, Lincoln was assassinated, Lindbergh had his grandson kidnapped and murdered after speaking out strongly against the Federal Reserve, and Kennedy was assassinated after re-issuing some silver certificates and cleaning house at the CIA.

This struggle is ages old, going back to before the time of Christ, but highlighted in Christ's condemnation of the temple sacrifices and the exchange rates on the money used to purcahse the animals for sacrifice. The struggle is between those who just wish to live freely and engage in simple commerce, and those who wish to control others through controlling commerce with arcane and occult mechanisms and by holding monopolies on the staples of life.

Yet through every age and every empire the idea of freedom and man's personal relationship with Deity has prevailed; even now these ideas are worldwide from China westward all the way to California. What we can do is just express these principles in the way we speak and in the way we vote. The leaders of a country reflect the consciousness of the people, so make the people more aware of basic principles of righteousness.

There is an old story of a Roman senator who suggested to another senator that yellow armbands be put on all the slaves so they could be identified; the other senator answered it would be better to put armbands on the senators because if the slaves saw how many of them there were compared to the senators the slaves would overthrow the senators.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why schools who teach earth sciences don't like to talk about Christianity:

"Dr Robert Muller spent 53 years working within the United Nations and Assistant Secretary-General for more than 12 years (#2 in charge). He is the Founder and Chancellor of the United Nations University of Peace. Here is how he describes himself (remember this is not some fruitcake standing on a streetcorner, this guy was responsible for formulating many UN policies):

"A divine motivator ... the wise man of the UN ... the shaman of the UN ... the man through whom God speaks ... the spokesman of Christ ... a magic being ..."

A former presidential candidate:

In his book Earth in the Balance, Gore devotes no less than three chapters to the 'Earth Goddess.' He states that "in prehistoric Europe and much of the world was based on the worship of a single earth goddess, who was assumed to be the fount of all life and who radiated harmony among all living things. Much of the evidence for the existence of this primitive religion comes from the many thousands of artifacts uncovered in ceremonial sites. These sites are so widespread that they seem to confirm the notion that a goddess religion was ubiquitous through much of the world until the antecedents of today's religions, most of which still have a distinctly masculine orientation...swept out of India and the Near East, almost obliterating belief in the goddess. The last vestige of organized goddess worship was eliminated by Christianity as late as the fifteenth century." - Earth in the Balance, page 260

Who is this earth goddess?:

"What if Mary is another name for Gaia? Then her capacity for virgin birth is no miracle . . . it is a role of Gaia since life began . . . She is of this Universe and, conceivably, a part of God. On Earth, she is the source of life everlasting and is alive now; she gave birth to humankind and we are part of her." – Sir James Lovelock, Ages of Gaia

You almost can't believe this stuff when you read it, but these are the people behind Agenda 21- and the new carbon exchanges:

"In the United States the only operating carbon emissions trading market is the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX). Coincidentally, or not, Al Gore’s hedge fund, Generation Investment Management, is the largest shareholder in CCX. Now that’s what I call a conflict of interest! The most vocal Global Warming alarmist is the largest shareholder in the USA’s only operating ‘carbon market.’ On the board of CCX we find our old friend Maurice Strong."

So, like all the enterprising priests of the past, these knuckleheads plan to get rich by convincing your children to believe in this new religion and then selling them indulgences for their environmental sins, or carbon credits, issued by the same central banks hoarding the people's gold now.

http://green-agenda.com/gaians.html

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I think the most frightening thing on the above site, was the total disregard for humans and the repeated call for human population control - forced by the government. Talk of "culling" humans, a 95% forced decrease in population, birth control chemicals in the water - OMG.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 5:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That is some strange stuff freedom. Check this out:

http://www.thegeorgiaguidestones.com/Mes...

Don't be alarmed though, that kind of talk mainly comes from position papers from academics. Be aware of it though, because governmental policy is born in those think tanks run by universities and non-profit organizations. A value has been placed on the earth, and the earth is considered to be worth 18 to 50 trillion dollars. Position papers say one billion can be supported on earth in western style development, or five to six billion if the majority are agricultural peasants overseen by a ruling class.

Posted by Username (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 6:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=en...
Check out this film it seems to cover where these comments are going.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

http://www.soylent-green.com/

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, I remember the movie OGD, but I never attached any meaning to it then. Sure can now can't we. Life just keeps getting stranger and stranger.

Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 10:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I have to tell ya'll this . You may not always agree with Enkikur but he can back up his beliefs . He will give us something to think about everytime. Old Grand Dad, I think you are pretty sharp too . Good night, ya"ll

Posted by greenupnatchez (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Once again you people have got into a dialetical argument over something that the article was not reporting. Wake up to the issue that Rentech will require special treatment by the local government for its establishment. The local government working secretly mostly with business is like unto fascism. You Bush cronies always laugh at the mention of fascism thinking of Hitler as a dictator and whine that Bush is not Hitler. Well, neither does fascism mean dictatorship. Fascism is an economic system where government works with business to a common end. In our case in Natchez it is the EDA people who are all in the business world who are the fascist. Yes Woody Allen and all his buddies on the board and all the supervisors on the government side are de facto fascists. Laugh, if you will, but look up the definition of fascism before Hitler. Ironically Rentech is promoting and so are supervisors a process that was devised during Nazi times. Our local government is promoting a scheme by which the EDA and their friends will be stuffing money in their pockets with little regard for what the long run will be like. The long run is if we allow Rentech to come here we are opening up the county to become a cancer alley like Baton Rouge to New Orleans. We will be another refinery town. We will not be helping the environment at all. We will be putting off the inevitable as usual. Stop Rentech before it is too late. Go directly to the Rentech website and see what they want to do. The product they want to manufacture may be the cleanest but it is still dirty and still has to be burned to use. Greenup Natchez now.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 10:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Not only that greenup, the federal government, who is helping to fund this project, already knows the Rentech project is not economically viable as explained on the Energy Information Adminsitration website where they publish official energy statistics:

" A CTL plant transforms coal into liquid fuels. CTL is economically competitive at an oil price in the low to mid-$40 per barrel range and a coal cost in the range of $1 to $2 per million Btu, depending on coal quality and location.

A CTL plant requires several decades of coal reserves to justify construction. Given the economies of scale required, 30,000 barrels per day is regarded as a minimum plant size. Coal reserves of approximately 2 to 4 billion tons are required to support a commercial CTL plant with a capacity of 70,000 to 80,000 barrels per day over its useful life [62]. Capital expenses are estimated to be in the range of $50,000 to $70,000 (2004 dollars) per barrel of daily capacity. The front-end (coal handling) portion of a CTL plant accounts for about one-half of the capital cost [63]. "

For Rentech to be viable it would have to produce thirty times the product and thirty times the waste they are planning to produce in Phase 2.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/aeo/otherana...

For a town so opposed to smokestack industry it is apparent the Rentech promoters in town have never been around a large coal terminal. And that they don't know that CTL is twice as polluting as the Exxon refinery they didn't want so many years ago.

Posted by texasranger (anonymous) on June 16, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I knew the new trash pickup for 2 days a week at the same price was too good to be true. Here they go again,changing the power around where they can have control. I agree with EnKiKur. They hide all that they can from the citizens of Adams county,they always have.

Posted by greenupnatchez (anonymous) on June 26, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

To: Enkikur

I'm not so sure that this town/county is so opposed to smoke stacks for profit.

Thanks for the analysis of coal.