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Are center, new hotel attracting conventions?
Published Saturday, June 21, 2008
NATCHEZ — Conventions have several requisites when it comes to booking conferences — a nice area, a large meeting space and hotels in close proximity.
Natchez has all of these.
And the Country Inn and Suites and Natchez Convention Center are advertised as a package to potential convention clients by a privately-run management group.
The city entered into a contract with New Orleans Hotel Consultants, which took effect in Oct. 1, 2007.
Housing the two entities under one management roof has helped bring in major conferences, group officials say.
The National Guard Association for Mississippi will have its annual conference in Natchez in 2009.
Col. Roy Robinson, executive director for the guard association, said having the hotel and the convention center in such close proximity was a major selling point.
“We need facilities for meeting spaces and parties and we need to have lodging within walking distance,” he said. “The way it’s put together in one package with facilities all around makes it a prime attraction to soldiers attending the conference and any spouses that attend with them.”
He said booking the conference was very simple — booking hotel rooms and meeting space at the same time.
Walter Tipton, director of the convention center, said that’s what the management group is all about.
“It’s great to be able to make one phone call,” Tipton said. “It makes sense to put the management of meeting space and hotel under one management team.
“That’s sort of the genesis of putting the facilities under one management.”
The three-day conference will bring between 1,300 and 1,500 people to town, Robinson said.
The Mississippi Medical Association is looking to come to Natchez for its 2010 conference.
Charmain Kanosky, the executive director for the medical association, said while a contract hasn’t been signed yet, his group wants to come to Natchez.
She said the decision to come to Natchez was “easy, it’s a beautiful city with a lot of activities with some new meeting space.”
What it costs
But the two-in one deal that may be attracting conferences doesn’t come without a cost to the City of Natchez.
City Clerk Donnie Holloway said the city pays the management group $20,000 a month to manage the convention center.
“They maintain the convention center, they pay all the bills at the convention center, the city does not pay that,” Holloway said.
Before New Orleans Hotel Consultants took over the convention center, the city paid all operational costs, plus salaries for eight employees now paid by the consultant group.
In the end, Holloway said the contract with the group is currently saving the city money.
Success so far?
In 2007 — before the management group took over — three conferences brought 1,000 or more people into town. In 2008 — when the management group was in charge — four conferences were booked to bring 1,000 or more people to town.
In 2007, three conferences brought between 500 and 1,000 visitors. In 2008, eight conferences bringing 500 to 1,000 people to town have been booked.
Tipton said the management group targets large conferences.
The number of smaller conferences booked has gone down between 2007 and 2008, but Tipton said the year isn’t over yet and those numbers may level out again.
“We’ll probably book one or two more conventions by the end of the year,” he said.
Conventions are already being booked for 2009, too.
In January, Delta Sigma Theta will bring 600 people and Natchez Council for Arts and Culture will bring 1,700 people.
The Mississippi Association for Water and Pollution Control is a 300-person conference that will stay in Natchez hotels for four nights in February.
The National Association for Social Workers will bring in nearly 400 people in March and the Mississippi Society for Gastroenterology Nurses will bring in 130 people in April.
Also in April, 600 people will be in Natchez for a Key Club conference.
In November, 1,000 people will come for the William Grant Still Conference.
It’s the management group’s job to bring these conventions to Natchez, said Jill Alexander, who works in marketing and sales for New Orleans Hotel Consultants.
Alexander said the best way to land these conventions is to do it in person.
“We have made it our mission every month to have face to face meetings (with potential clients,)” she said. “Our best was is word of mouth.”
Alexander said she and Jennifer Paradise, sales director for the Natchez Convention and Visitors Bureau, go on trips to conventions and businesses and have good successes.
“We high five each other after every meeting because we’re booking almost every one,” Alexander said.
Kanosky said she found the face-to-face conference with management group representatives to be helpful when she made the decision to bring the Mississippi Medical Association to town.
“We were delighted to see some representatives from the convention center,” Kanosky said. “They were certainly instrumental at winning that business.”
Beyond the convention center
As the main benefactor of the New Orleans Hotel Consultants’ contract, the Country Inn & Suites is experiencing steady occupancy.
The hotel’s general manager Patricia Lozon said she estimated 70 percent of the hotel’s business is convention driven.
“For us that’s great,” she said. “When there’s a convention in town we’re seeing a lot of that business.”
And while the Country Inn is contractually poised to benefit from the city’s convention crowd, they are not the only hotel seeing a bump in business.
The Hampton Inn & Suites’ front desk manager Lakesha Gooden said the Hampton is also accommodating high numbers of convention-goers.
Gooden said occupants in town for conventions account for approximately 50 percent of the hotel’s business.
“It keeps our business rather steady,” she said.
Aside from convention business both Gooden and Lozon said their facilities get regular boost in occupancy from groups booking blocks of rooms.
“We get a lot of people in wedding parties and things like that,” Gooden said.
Having the hotel open is partially responsible for an increase in tourism related sales because having more options opens up Natchez to a larger and more diverse group of leisure travelers, Paradise said.
“New is what makes headlines,” Paradise said. “The headline may read ‘Grand opening in Natchez,’ but the tourists are remembering that dinner at Pearl Street Pasta, those Crape Myrtles down Washington Street, and that charming breakfast at the Wensel House,” Paradise said.
And that is exactly what Alicia Wilson is banking on.
Last week, Wilson moved her restaurant Soul Heaven from Fourth Street to where the City Café used to be.
Right before the Mississippi Adult Education convention came to town this week, Tipton got in touch with Wilson.
Wilson said Tipton invited her to bring some brochures for her restaurant to the convention center for the convention participants to pick up.
“I’ve been packed,” Wilson said ever since she took up Tipton’s invitation.
She said business will also pick up vastly with the antique show coming into town later this month, and Wilson is also benefiting from the people from the convention staying at the downtown hotels, she said.
“I’m getting the traffic from all the different hotels,” she said.
Comments
Posted by bayougranny (anonymous) on June 21, 2008 at 11:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Where are all the volunteers and service clubs? One of them could take every major intersection into town. That's how it's done in other places. People are lazy in the Miss Lou. You live in a beautiful town and you can't see the forest for the trees. It's always soneone else's problem.
Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on June 21, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sounds like Donny holloway made a good decision there..
Posted by bayougranny (anonymous) on June 21, 2008 at 11:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry about that post it was a remark from another ariticle. It just jumped up when I signed in.
Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
lol
Posted by bayougranny (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good job on landing the conventions Natchez. Vidalia needs to take notes. You can't sit in a office and get the big ones you have to go after them.
Posted by frogprincenessntz (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
In 2007 there were three bookings for over 1000, four in 2008. For 500 to 1000 there were three bookings in 2007, and eight in 2008. Smaller groups were down slightly.
You would naturally expect the booking to go up each year. As far as the employees go, their loyalty now lies with the new people signing their paycheck!
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great, we're filling up the Country Inn, which is an aesthetic travesty on the bluff, and we're helping the Hampton and some restaurants...I wonder how the grand old lady, the Eola and the Isle of Capri are faring...my hope is that we're not killing the older hotels just for the bling.
Posted by rushinghjr (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sounds like things are picking up, from what I understand from the article. I knew things would change when the environment changed.
Posted by NtzMom55 (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 1:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sure would be nice to have a family attraction here like the "Blue Bayou Water Park" in Baton Rouge. Water Park attractions always seem to attract many families. So many people talk about how much fun a wave pool is. And with the rising cost of fuel (which is here to stay) many more people are going to stay home more often rather than travel. A wonderful water park would be a great venture for someone to take on if they have the money to front it. I sure wish I did!
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 2:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
That is not going to happen NtzMom because of this attitude:
"Marty, thank you for your support. Keep in mind what we are talking about is not a park such as they have in Baton Rouge, but rather a closed whitewater course for teaching swift water rescue, whitewater slalom olympic training, freestyle whitewater kayaking, surfing, and wave riding, and of course, the moneymaker, recreational rafting for visiting conventioneers, church groups and family reunions. We are not intending anything like the park in Baton Rouge, however, which caters to local, lower to middle income residents who don't "vacation" in absentia.
Before we go any further, or before you offer any more editorials, let's try to meet so I can show you a video which develops the idea along the lines of what we hired WPI to make a cursory study of last summer. I think you will get a much better appreciation of what it is we hope to accomplish, and why the feasibility study will be not only necessary, but a critical factor in going forward. We will be in town all next week.
And this:
Nope. Not interested in the "amusement park" aspect. I'm interested in educated, erudite, dedicated athletes and eco-followers, and the possibility of developing a National or even International swiftwater rescue training facility, which will bring huge government contracts from every municipal and state fire fighting and EMT department and division in the world. The slot machine and Disney style "jungle river riders" aren't at all what I'm interested in.
And this:
The problem for us is that this type "attraction" is seasonal. It draws on a small crowd, and can only run, effectively, during the summer (non-school) months. Ergo, a quarter of the year operation. What I am proposing is a year around facility to train emergency personnel and athletes who harbor more of an investment in their activity than a weekend or two per year. You start to spread this type facility to include the breadth of entertainment you envision for "middle and low income people" and you water down, so to speak, the value of the main goal. This problem has already arisen in the Charlotte Whitewater Park, which only opened last August, at the close of the season. It was way overbuilt, with way too much "promised" return revenue in the future, and had way too many hands in the till. Exactly what we want to avoid"
You see, NtzMom, ordinary people don't figure into the big plans for Natchez. Never have and never will except as minimum wage workers for the elitists.
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 3:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Actually, those sound very good to me. But I hardly see Natchez becoming a whitewater mecca since we are so far removed from any natural and serious whitewater. But I'm open to being convinced on it.
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 3:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Sure it sounds good OGD. But it is obvious, the erudite, eco minded affluent tourist is what Natchez wants, unless it is poor people pouring money into casinos they earned from cutting grass, waiting tables, and cleaning bathrooms.
A happy tourist city with eco travelers sporting about on Segways in shiny spandex, enjoying charming breakfasts at Wensel House before Segwaying down to the intermodal center to learn about Prince Ibrahim, a character who is known as Token in the South Park series.
By the way, when is the HNF going to turn loose of that 169,000 dollars for repairing Wagner Store up in Church HIll? We need some economic development up here too, and we are tired of waiting since the money is already there and being hoarded. Or is the HNF planning on letting the state portion lapse so they can use the rest on something in Natchez?
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 3:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
And, OGD, have you thought about how fifty-five million dollars spent on St. Catherine Creek could easily buy some whitewater?
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 3:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'd prefer they buy clean water instead of St. Catherine water. But crap, you make it sound like the ultimate plan is to turn Natchez into a Vail or Aspen. I kinda like your descriptions. Hopefully the Segwayers will mow down all the skateboarders.
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 3:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
hehe... those boarders are pretty tough. The Segway riders will give them wide berth. The Aspen and Vail models are probably appropriate, except Natchez is far too hot and humid except for the most masochistic elite.
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 4:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
But the rich folks (I hear tell) like to sit in saunas. I've never figured out why. Natchez is the perfect eco-friendly, environmentally safe sauna. How "green" of a sauna can you get?
Posted by oldschool (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
however, which caters to local, lower to middle income residents who don't "vacation" in absentia.
OK this comment chaps my AS-. Yaw act like you have never been to a water park. You RICH folks kill me. We are the ones that your stupid AS- rich. Then you always throw it back in our face. This town would grow more than WEED if yaw had something for our teens to do. Maybe the skateboards, drag race, strippers, teen pregnancy, motorcycle rages, RAVES, and vanderlisers will have something to do. Birthday parties are important to our kids this might bring a place beside McDonalds!! This is a joke!!!! The rich go off to camp while us poor folks stay in town and continue to make your house a little bigger, with all the new ammenties while ours is falling in. I will spend my money else where from now on I promise you. NO MORE LOCAL BUSINESS FROM ME!!!! Hope yaw fall on your face....AS- And we pay the majority of all the taxes while the rich get the tax breaks!!!!!
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I want it all and I want it now !
Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 11:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Excellent post oldschool.....
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 12:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hmmm, that is a point I hadn't thought of OldGrandDad. The Secretariat of the NCVB should take note of your suggestion and promote the town as a "natural green sauna".
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 1:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oldschool, the problem is that in spite of the best efforts of of the Eugenics Records Office, the Population Council, Family Planning, numerous state and federal supreme court justices, the efforts of the State Departments of Health of the fifty states, the philanthropic efforts of the Ford, Rockefeller, and Carnegie Foundations, the poor will just not quit breeding.
The benevolent sterlization of 600,000 poor people in the US, free abortions for teens, free contraception, the numbers of the poor continue to grow. It is almost as if the poor are unnaturally driven to breeding.
Perhaps a certain number of poor would be acceptable as a moral lesson and for servants and laborers for the more fit and deserving, but the present numbers are unconscionable.
The poor have no one to blame but themselves, since they fail to organize themselves, or when the do organize they organize under groups that betray them and then fail to speak up when they are betrayed.
If the poor of Adams County would organize and agree to be sterilized, or to limit family size to one child, I am sure the Ford, Rockefeller, or Carnegie Foundations would forward some grants to be used as seed money to attract matching federal funds for the building of a waterpark the poor and lower middle class would enjoy.
Posted by oldschool (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ENKIKur
If you knew how stupid you sound!!!! I don't classify myself as poor/rich, I am middle class and I would love to spat off with you but you know I could not waist my presious time on TRASH like you!! You know if it was not from your POOR momma you would not be here right now........
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 2:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oldschool, I am just relaying a little history to you. I don't agree with any of those things and that is why I am posting them, to make people aware.
As late as 1968 an analyst for the Ford Foundation recommended spraying a sterilizing agent from crop dusters over the population of India.
The problem seen in government and academic circles is not that there are too many people, there too many poor people.
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 4:50 p.m. (Suggest removal)
EnkiKur is right about one thing and that is it is a sin to be poor in this country. A social sin anyway
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 5:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Some of you folks around here are gonna have to stand up. EnKiKur's humor is going right over your head.
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 6:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OldGrandDad, What's got you on your high horse today? Lighten up ole man .
Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 6:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Does it help if I post with my little smiley face? (insert little yellow smiley face here)
Posted by southernbelle (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 6:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
No darling,but maybe if you just went back to bed and get up on another side it might help .
Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 7:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Last time I checked the convention center opened March of 2002. Glad to hear there is a little bit of action going on there, it's over due. But, that is their job, and if you take what it has cost the tax payer and what our leaders promised it would bring in, this was a miserable choice to make money for Natchez. What is really different here? I think it is still about the same walk from the convention center to the front door of the new hotel as it was from the back door of the convention center to the back door of the Eola hotel. I think it was strange that nobody from the Democrat interviewed the management from the Eola as to the positive or negative impact of this new downtown pact. Or any other hotels for that matter. I hope everybody will remember all the hype and promises 2, 3 or 5 years down the road that our leaders make today and hold them accountable. How many times did we hear 9 more holes at the golf course will bring in more people, a new visitors center will bring in more people, a new convention center will bring in more people. New laws and downtown regulations will bring more. When will it stop? Now we hear new trails and recreation will. I have never heard anybody say new blood or vision or the old choices were wrong. Take your broken car to a shop and every time you call to check on it they say "well we tried this that and the other thing and it's still not running right" sooner or later you will find they don't know what they are doing or talking about and you will take it somwhere else. When the Natchez goverment gets out of the tourism business like it used to be things will get better around here. This new pact between the convention center and the new hotel has somhow been spun around as something good for Natchez and these people around here are buying it. Lets call it what it really is. A bandaid on a 10 inch gash on the butt of Natchez to help slow the bleeding. We should have sold our town to the devil! We would have gotten more and we just about have sold, wait, gave it away and our future anyway because of dim vision, small box thinking, promise the world people in our goverment .
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 9:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NatchezEnema...we did sell our souls and we're still paying for it and the culprits are either still in power or have moved on to greater seats of power.
I also agree that the symbiosis between the new hotel, an aesthetic travesty, and the convention center is unholy...back in 1992 we could have had a bigger, better convention center, WITH SUFFICIENT PARKING, tied into the grand old Eola and linked to the City Auditorium for the same price we paid ten years later with virtually no parking or hotel until now.
Such was the foresight of the devils we sold our souls to.
Posted by Swapmeet (anonymous) on June 23, 2008 at 12:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Posted by oldschool (anonymous) on June 22, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"And we pay the majority of all the taxes while the rich get the tax breaks!!!!!"
I don't know the current statistics, but the last time I checked the top 5% income earners in the U.S. paid about 75-85% of the taxes in this country while the bottom 50% (one-half) of income earners in the U.S. paid less than 5% of the taxes. I'm in the bottom half of income earners so I'm not defending the rich (I'm really probably considered below the poverty level but who's keeping tabs). This country was founded on capitalism and it has worked. People have more of a right to earn a good living in this country than anywhere else in the world. The problem is that people are lazy. You can go out on an oil rig and make good money without education if you're willing to work. Or you can do like me. Take out loans for school which are available for ANYONE. I'm taking 25 hours of school this summer and raising a child plus running a household. I'm not complaining. I'm just showing that if someone truly wants to have gainful employment in this country it's at their fingertips: if they are willing to work for it. If you don't like capitalism, try socialism and see how you like that tiger. Well vote for Obama and you won't have to go try it. It will be plopped in your lap. (Sorry, I just couldn't resist). You know the Dems in Washington want to nationalize the oil industry in America. I think the other countries that have done so are Venezuela, China, Russia, and (I think) Iran. That's a group I want to join. Three cheers for Socialism!!!
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 23, 2008 at 3:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not exactly Swapmeet. The US ranks fifth in economic freedom behind Hong Kong, Singapore, New Zealand and Switzerland, and will soon be ranked behind Estonia, a former Soviet bloc nation. In addition the United States is one of the most difficulty countries of the OECD nations to escape poverty from.
It's true you can go out on an oil rig and work and make fairly good pay but half that pay will be taken for taxes of all sorts and you will end up living just at or just above the poverty line if you attempt to pay cash for everything; if you finance your life you become a debt slave to the people operating our socialized debt but private profit monetary system.
It is also true that world wide 20% of the people own 74% of the wealth. These people have many ways to avoid paying taxes so the tax burden falls on that portion you mention, people who are primarily middle class and struggle to remain so. Entry into the middle class becomes ever more difficult in this country.
If your student loan is a government guaranteed student loan, then you are a benefactor of socialism, as your loan is backed by taxpayers. If your loan is private it is still socialized as the taxpayers back the whole banking system, wiith little risk to the banks...even investment banks as we have seen with the Fed bailout of BearStearns.
Does the air belong to everyone? Does the water belong to everyone? If so, why not the oil? And are you aware that GW is pushing to have the Law of the Seas Treaty ratified before he leaves office? That treaty will socialize three fourth of the world's surface, all the world's oceans. My suspicion is that he wants to be knighted like his dad Sir George H. W. Bush, who was knighted for Desert Storm.
Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on June 23, 2008 at 9:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
EnK...do you see any glimmers of hope for the salvation of mankind or even just the portion described as the United States of America...the point being, you are so often a harbinger of bad tidings, I'm not sure of what you see as the common good...the negativity can be deafening.
Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on June 23, 2008 at 9:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You can also have a education and go into the oilfield swapmeet... They are bringing rigs out now that are paying 29.00 an hour for floor hands.But, like you said you have to be willing to work 7 and 7 if it falls on your birthday,christmas,new years etc oh well it is still 7 and 7 ..So many do not want to work though For instance my son-in-law was looking for a hand last week and he had a hard time getting someone to go to work..Of course though i am sure passing a drug test had something to do with it also....
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 23, 2008 at 10:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am curious as to why you see my comments as negative Sam, because I assure you that is a matter only of your perception and not of my intent. I don't really put things so much into the good/bad categories, I put them into the is/is not categories.
There are five possible modalities of human mental activity:
proper perception, mis-perception, imagination, sleeping, and dreaming. Of the five the one most commonly engaged in is mis-perception, but through repeated encounters with mis-perception proper perception begins to take hold.
I would not be a very good neighbor if I let mis-perception run rampant. There is no harm in seeking the truth.
Posted by natchezsouthside (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's been said here many many times since these comment boards have been posted.
If you can't find a good paying job here, and claim to want a good paying job then why not go where there is a good paying job.
it is easier to sit and whine and complain i guess.
and i paraphrase--the definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing over and over and getting the same result, and expecting a different result.
sitting at one's computer on the Natchez Democrat site day after day whining about no jobs over and over while not getting off one's butt to look for a job in Texas or California or Maine makes one insane.
The world really doesn't end at the Adams County line. Open your mind.
Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on June 24, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
So Jill Alexander and Jennifer Paradise travel around on sales trips, high fiving after booking nearly every group they pitch to. Jill is employed by Hotel Consultants, and Jennifer is a party member of the Bureau of Conventions and Visitations.
Who pays for the sales trips? Why is it necessary to have the Bureau, its Secretariat and Party Members when the city is paying 20,000 dollars a month to the main beneficiary of the arrangement, Hotel Consultants, for marketing the center and hotel? Does anyone in Natchez get this, or is everyone tv dazed?
Who pays the salaries of the bureaucrats at the NCVB? Do they get the same PERS plan that wrecked the public hospital? It must be nice to go from a sorority house to a cushy taxpayer paid job being a sorority girl. Good grief.
Posted by destiny (anonymous) on June 25, 2008 at 7:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
EnKiKur, keep going. I fully enjoy your intelligent blogs. It is so nice to read blogs from informed people such as yourself, but as I once mentioned to you a lot of people cannot or will not even attempt to understand your way of thinking and blogging. I find them very intelligently written and very well formed. A good sound intelligent augment can be well received as you have proven to be the case. Along with you, there are many bloggers who really make my day. Negativity is not one of my 'cup of tea' things, so keep blogging...... you are 99 pct right on with your subjects. You must 'please' excuse me. My pct button doesn't work. Guess I need a new key-board. Alas, another small inconvenient purchase. Have a good day.
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