Posted by acedog (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)

natchez is trying to sell itself as a tourist destination.a placed where people want to come and have a good time.so how can you selled that and shut your nightlife activities down at 2am. don't make sense.i think does few people whom have decided to live in the downtown area wich is a bussiness zone need to shutup or move. 2am is to early 4am will probably work and not hurt the bar owners.i think they will compromise to that.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kevin.
"ruining the lives of the residents that live nearby" is a bit of a stretch wouldnt ya say?
I have NEVER seen anything disusting left outside the clubs, never.
Onb maybe 2 or 3 occassions I have heard that something was seen, but I have been downtown very early on Sunday mornings and am yet to see it for myself. HaVE YOU EVER SEEN any of this for yourself?

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

4 used condoms in one spot on the sidewalk on a downtown street is no way to sell the city as a tourist destination. Unless we happen to be trying to book some prostitution conventions.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Oldgranddad, man you must be a miserable person.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm quite happy thank you. Why you wanna be negatively personal like that?

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Well, you are being so negative, makes one wonder why.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:15 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm negative against an inordinate amount of trash on our downtown streets. I'm negative against used condoms left on downtown streets. And I'm negative against public drunkeness and destruction of private property. Basically, I'm negative against things that I consider to be negatives. But I'm not anti bars or drinking in the least. I've been known to whoop and holler myself. Just not at 4am.

Posted by 3on23 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 7:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)

What about the other trash we see? How about the drug dealers and prostitutes that you see during broad daylight? At least the bar owners pay taxes and have to purchase business licenses in order to operate.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 7:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Exactly my point 3on23, I think there are a lot of ILLEGAL problems in this town that the mayor should focus on fixing before shutting down LEGALLY operated clubs. Early closing laws would hurt these clubs.

Thank you for stating that!

Posted by GopherBaroque (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Anyone remember years ago when the same problems were voiced about Morgans Restaurant? Or before that, what was the name of the juke joint out on 61 between Natchez and Washington? It's a never ending battle between those who want to part and those who are "sticks in the mud."

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GopherBaroque, I guess that's one way to look at it. Of course it could also be called a battle of Ladies & Gentlemen vs riff raff.

Posted by NoWireHangers (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I am not anti-drinking or anti-bars but I am in favor of
the 2am closure. I have never met one individual
in my life whose behavior or personality was improved with alcohol. Especially between 2am and 6am.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I personally have little interest in the bars, full of those who are looking for a thrill in places that really offer fewer mysteries than we would like to believe.

BUT, Natchez has for a great many years been that spot to which the poor desperate thrill seekers from the piney woods migrated in order to experience some night life in the port town. Liquor laws and the prying eyes of Bible thumpers in the vast hill country have caused the migration, and at this point it is a historic tradition.

Sure, drunks and those pesky condom droppers are a nuisance. But complaints of noise and revelry by a few residents downtown should get a deaf ear. Actually, the laws should be loosened, clubs should be able to show some skin, and THAT would put us on the recreational map to another segment of society immediately.

Those members of the landed gentry who disdain such things would still be free to lie to their spouses and continue their behind-the-back operations as they have for generations -- He,he!

Jake needs to get his head right on this matter. If it takes a few more cops downtown at nite so be it.

Natchez without the chance of a late-nite party means we are too geriatric, and being broad in our tourist appeal is better than being too accomodating to the very few residents who chose to live downtown.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

what year did we evolve from having bars to having CLUBS, gimme a break.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)

NTZMOM
you can keep debating this, but YES THERE WAS A SECURITY GUARD IN FRONT OF DIMPLES. Maybe you are not old enough to remember, which is fine, but if you are don't argue with a fact that I saw with my own eyes.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I totally agree Yeahuhuh....
nd do people realize that these clubs on Main street bring in 4 to 8 peice bands almost every single weekend?
That means hotel rooms are bought by the club owners and the bands bring their loyal groupies and they all spend money in Natchez. I bet lots of these bands brought in had never heard of Natchez before being booked here.

The clubs do help with tourism believe it or not.

and they all ae really impresssed with the all night party life here.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I think someone might need some sleep.

Posted by bellesouth (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I want to know since when did bars staying open become a problem? 25 years ago, 20 years ago? What's changed? If the bars are making money then they should be allowed to stay open. That's the way it has always been and it wasn't a problem before. What's changed?

Posted by ntz143 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

ntzmom, I live downtown within half a block from a bar. The bar closes before 2AM. My problem is not with noise, increased traffic, no parking, etc. it is with the filth the bar's patrons leave behind in front of my residence, in my backyard and in the surrounding area. Used condoms, beer bottles, cups, cigarette butts, etc....I have even walked up upon strange men urinating in my yard because the bar's bathroom was full. Our block has not only businesses and other residences, it has one of the most visited historical landmarks in the city. Many a morning have I cleaned up in front of that building as well as picked up trash in front of the bar and other residences. I don't blame the bar owners, I blame their irresponsible patrons. By the way, many of these people are at that bar 6 days a week, from 5:00pm until it closes. I frequently wonder where their children, wives, families are while they're drinking. And how do people go to work everyday after drinking every night?

This isn't about being "negative" its about what the facts are. Those of us who live downtown want to be good neighbors but are really tired of people peeing in our yard!!!

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bellesouth, If you want an honest answer, I will tell what has changed, The quality of life people lead now has changed, which in return the way people respect other peoples property, bodies, and space has changed. The clientele that is catered to so early in the morning now are hoodlums and as far as the typical teenager (17-20) they are not much better at respecting laws and elders. So yes something has changed and I can say I personally saw it change. So In return I have always been in favor of all night partying, but until people contain a better quality of life i think the city has no choice but to attempt to leash it to a certain extent.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Ntz143
I feel for you, My husband and I gave up. We sold our downtown home and business. We just decided that no matter what the bars do, you can not change the inhumane behavior of these patrons.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

How ridiculous...what difference is 3 hours going to make? The same people dropping condoms will be doing it at 2:00 instead of 5:00, the same people will be littering at 2:00, the same people will be driving drunk at 2:00.
The only thing that will change is the revenue for the bar owners and the income of the employee's.
I do not frequent these bars but I do not see how this will make any sort of positive impact on Natchez, only a negative impact.

DahlingILuvUButGiveMeParkAve-How do you know unless you are out with them from 2:00-6:00. Does behavior magically change at 1:59?

Posted by natchezmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If jobs and income are the topic of discussion then lets talk about the jobs at the Eola. The eola must constantly comp rooms that are located on Main Street due to street noise late in the night on Thurs. Fri. and Sat. The weekend is their busy time too....At some point the Eola can only comp so much and still stay in business. Closing the bars at 2:00 is a compromise for all businesses in that area.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Please explain to me how hotel guests are not bothered at 2:00? You make no sense.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:52 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The Eola? Well, how do the hotels on Bourbon Street survive?

They should tell people that the front gets noisy on weekends because this is an all night party town, kinda like a miniature New Orleans, then ask them if they would prefer a room not on Main Street.

Posted by ntzmom (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 9:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Or maybe the Eola could invest in some really thick sound proof drapes?

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Kevin

"Some bar owners and patrons are already crying foul — and the issue has yet to be officially discussed.

Interestingly, though, the ones crying foul are the very ones who could make the underlying problems go away."

There are a number of people, myself included crying foul who do not fit in this category. How can you make such a general statement. I believe most of the people on these posts say they do not frequent these bars but did at some point in their lives.

Posted by ntz155 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Okay, so we are going to let "every" drunk driver on the road at the same exact time? When cities have this 2 o'clock rule, the bars flip on all the lights and tell everyone to leave. Usually the place still has a great number of people in it and they all leave at the same time. Strange arguement but think about it. We preach don't drink and drive, but it happens all the time. I agree with some of the others, a condom can not tell time. If it is going to drop, it does not matter the time...

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We are not like NO. We do not have near the population or tourist traffic they do so i is not a correct comparison from our nightlife to theirs. We do not even have enough to be considered a "mini NO".

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)

If we don't have the nightlife, then why are you all complaining?

Posted by geauxtigers (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I have stayed at the Eola on the Main St. side..and I didn't get to sleep until 6am. Trust me, nothing can be done to drown out the noise.

Posted by geauxtigers (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I can't believe we are arguing that 3 hours of extra drinking time doesn't change people's behavior...yes it DOES.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Like I said -- the very few that live downtown should not control downtown Natchez like it was zoned to be a residential neighborhood. I wouldn't live downtown if I wanted peace and quiet and those who do should sell or rent their house and move.

If the Eola thinks it needs to refund money because of noise then that is their business decision. There are plenty of hotel rooms outside the noise zone.

Say it loud and say it repeatedly -- Jake -- you gotta get your head right on this matter. Look at all the noise, traffic and money Phillip brought to this town only to have you try to shut it down --- puleeeese! You only won by a few votes.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 10:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

The ordinance that is needed is one to make bar owners police & clean their areas better. keep it clean and keep it quiet. what's the big deal? is that so hard? I guess it is if you don't try. detail cops should be put in place. Making places close earlier than they had to when they opened up is not the answer. it's not the deal the owners signed up for, it's wrong for the city to get all righteous about it and change the deal.

Do not short change business for the wishes of a few elite minded inviduals.

Posted by bellesouth (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

pbnj - no the clientele has not change, you have. I doubt Natchez really gets that crazy after 2am. I don't think closing bars at 2 am will change anything. After 2am doesn't work then what are you going to do? Impose curfews?

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)

it is an interesting anomaly in that other places have bars don't have Saturday Night Fights every weekend. must be the Bubba mentality.

Posted by firered (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I've stayed in the Eola on a Saturday night on the Main Street side and the noise was not that bad. Its just like having the television on when you sleep. What's the big deal. Stay in another hotel if you don't want to hear all the music, we now have Country Inn and the Hampton Inn that are no where near the music. So stop complaining and suck it up. You don't like your surroundings, move. Get over yourself. I am so sick of hearing people who CHOSE to live in a business district complain about noise and crap like that.

Posted by fuzzmonkey (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I've lived and worked in the Natchez area my entire life and in my 40+ years I've seen a lot of changes. The night clubs aren't at fault here the people are. No one respects anyone or anything anymore. The Eola seems to be a hot spot for many so I would guess Dimples is the problem. Dimples/Bojangles has been around forever. I bet it's been there longer than many of the downtown residents that are complaining. Living downtown has many pros and cons; residents living there know this, yet they choose to live there anyway. Closing everything down at 2am isn't the answer. More police in the areas of concern would help and the extra revenue would probably pay for it. A small few ruin things for everyone. If a 2am closing is enforced the trash is still going to be on the streets; just earlier and the club owners and employees will loose money.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess it is true "You can't win an argument with a stupid person.".......you know who you are.

Posted by NatchezEnema (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 12:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I guess a lot of these people who stay at the eola have never stayed in a hotel room on Bourbon st. Even at the FINEST hotels on Bourbon st. you hear the clop clop of police horses ,party goers,car horns, street musicians and such. That is just part of the atmosphere. But I guess when you are desperate to sell a room, the slightest little noise is a big problem. If you asked for a refund in New Orleans at a hotel on Bourbon St because of noise, they would tell you to take a sleeping pill, take a hike, or join the party, this is Bourbon st. Most main streets in prosperous tourist towns are busy and have noise. This all goes back to choice. We can have a sleepy quiet little backwoods town with tourists who have their hearing aides turned up to the max. Or we can cater to younger tourists with money and families who are used to noise and action. The new casinos that are comming are going to be trying to advertise Natchez as a destination with things to do and action. Attitude and atmosphere makes or breaks a town. It is obvious that we have not had a good choice in either one or this town would be a lot better off. When the new casinos open sure there will be a short boom of people wanting to come here and check things out. Natchez will need more than new casinos to get the people to stay here. What happens when all these people say " yes I went to Natchez to gamble a few times but other than a couple new casinos the town sucks, there is nothing to do, and if your out late and want some action, well, you can go to taco bell or a keg party down by the river. "I think next time I will go to Vicksburg or NEW ORLEANS"! This town does not need to do anything that hinders or controls people or TOURISTS after hour activities until the new casinos have been open a while. Talk about a few bad patrons ruining things for everybody? How about a few up to do downtown residents ruining the DOWNTOWN ATMOSPHERE FOR OUR PEOPLE AND TOURISTS! Once again Natchez has a chance of getting her fair share of the new tourists and growing into something greater. Don't mess it up. If the new tourists want to come here gamble, drink and dance all night they should be able to. More time is more money, less time is less money. DUH.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)

peanut butter, you were right to move away, I am sure there were bars on Main street prior to you buying downtown. If people don't like it, they should follow your lead.
What does that have to do with closing the bars at 2:00?? Absolutely nothing!
What qualifies you to call someone stupid because they disagree with you? I highly doubt you are qualified but I would be interested to know what you think. Do tell!

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

stupidity comes in where if you had read my post correctly, it said i did not care when the bars open or close because no matter what the hour, the ratio of tourist to scumbag is way unbalanced. so once again, I will repeat myself, until people can respect others and their property this will be a problem. NO MATTER THE HOUR. Do you understand yet?

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 1:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I agree with you. Closing the bar earlier will not alter people's behavior. I do not think the government is capable of controlling behavior they just continue to try.

I don't understand why people feel that closing the bars at 2:00 will prevent condoms being tossed about or people peeing in their yards.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 2:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why wouldn't a resort town such as Natchez have a couple of people hired to walk around town, pick up trash, and keep the city clean?

Anyway, I thought the mayor was gonna let convicts out to keep the city clean??? What happend to the jailbirds cleaning-up?

Seems like maybe we need some vice cops walking a beat at night to straighten people out on how to behave...lol.

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 2:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)

That makes more sense than closing the bars early. Perhaps you should suggest that to the new administration.

Posted by pbnj (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 2:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are right also but i do think that catering to the wrong people promotes bad behavior. Like maybe a mild dress requirement, music selection,type of beverages served could help tame the crowd. it may not work. But yes it is a painful truth to some but these officials were ELECTED into office to serve the public. Like for instance did you know that in Jackson there is an ordinance against sagging pants, yet a business in Ntz won't demand such. Like I said Last time I was in Docs more men were dressed in saggy pants,wife beaters, and crooked hats, than any others. Women should respect their bodies as much to wear decent attire.

Posted by destiny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Natchez should take a few of these used condoms and have dna run on them. I'm sure the culprits with meet up with the law at some time or another. Give them a fine stiff enough to cover the cost of dna plus other broken city ordnance's. Maybe they would think twice about leaving their filth behind.

Posted by ntz143 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 3:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

happybunny, I never advocated closing the bars at 2AM...go back and read my post. My point was that it is the behavior of some of the patrons that I found offense. And most of you are right...changing the time won't change the behavior. I've thought about video taping some of these people publicly urinating and letting them see the next day how ridiculous they look. No, these aren't tourists...you would be SHOCKED at who they are. What has happened to plain ole decency? It is disgusting to see this behavior out of 40-50 year olds,,,,

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I wasn't specifically addressing you. I agree with you, people should behave in a more respectable manner but that has nothing to do with the time the bar closes.

Posted by humorme (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 4:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Guilty

Posted by happybunny (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 4:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

So it was humorme peeing in the yard! LOL

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 6:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ntz143, concerning the behavior of the bar patrons, did you see the websites to one of them posted on the other thread? After looking at them, honestly, the first thought in my head was Dean Wormer saying "fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life".

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thank you OGD! Exactly my thoughts on that subject. BUT if the idiots who do it want to do it, I can't see that shutting them down at 2:00 is going to keep them from it. My personal feelings are that they all should be shut down esp. on Sundays. However, my opinion doesn't really come into it I guess. Stupid is as stupid does.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 8 p.m. (Suggest removal)

freedom42, Good one - "Stupid is as stupid does"

I complained about filthy trash left by bar patrons and was told that I should clean it up myself. Not hardly. If these people would take responsibility for their own behavior this issue would never have come up. Some are trying to deflect the issue by saying it is between the bars and the people who live near them. It is not. I do not live near a bar but I do not like seeing the trash in the mornings and my friends and family with businesses downtown do not like having to pick up trash (and broken glass) and used condoms in the morning before opening for business. The people patronizing the bars are aparently coming out too drunk (and driving home???) to behave properly. And so far, I keep seeing the pro bar factions defend their behavior and claim folks like us are simply too old or too sensitive. Ntz143 must be a saint because if I found a drunk whizzing in my front yard I would disable him and if it was in my backyard I'm sure I would do worse.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

ntz143, I believe you may have a good idea...place video cameras on the streets downtown...set up an online website where anyone can view what's happening on the streets of Natchez 24/7. Place signs on the streets to notify people that they are being videoed. When someone is spotted being mischevious, show the video on channel 4 (blur out the private parts of those taking a public leak). When people are spotted littering, yep...show a close-up of that video on channel 4.

New Orleans and other cities have live webcams on their streets that can be viewed 24/7.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Old Grand, I told you to pick up the litter if it was bugging you, and I think I was the only one who did. I'm not very often a bar patron. I have been to Dimples several years ago, but not lately. And, I did have a good time and didn't want to leave at 2 am. I have never been to Doc Big Loves. I have never littered after leaving a bar, or got it on in the parking lot. When I see litter, I pick it up. It was only a suggestion that you could take or leave. Maybe you would prefer to gripe!

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 5, 2008 at 11:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace, It seems the pro bar drunks are the ones doing the griping. I got in to this by merely saying I thought our new mayor has a good idea. And since then I've given my reasons. No, I don't prefer to gripe. I prefer to influence our elected officials towards moving this town forward and keeping it clean at the same time. Your suggestion that I clean up Natchez streets was simply taken as a silly statement and carried about as much intelligence as many of the other posts. I take my morning walks seriously and see no reason to stop them and clean streets for the drunks of the night before.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 12:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Old Grand, then I seriously think you should take a walk. Have a good one.

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 1:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks. I'll let you pick up the trash and condoms. Enjoy.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 7:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL. Old Grand...that was funny.

I was just joking with you about picking up the trash. And, honestly, I could care less if the bars stay open past 2 am or not, since I don't ever go to them. But, I do remember not wanting to leave at 2 am when I did go, so I can understand the others who aren't in agreement with the closing time being changed. Unlike you, I dont walk the streets of Natchez in the early morning and I've never seen the trash. Perhaps, I would find it disgusting myself if I had and I am considering doing just that to see for myself.

But, I really don't see how Natchez can force a 2 am closing on the downtown bars while allowing the casinos to operate 24/7. Would you think that to be fair in your serious walking early morning eyes?

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)

GrandDad gettin a little grumpy, huh?

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace, I'm not a fan of bars and I like casinos even less. Sorry, but I can't say what's fair since I don't think the whole idea behind casinos is even slightly fair. When smaller businesses like Dimples and Andrews are allowed to have a few slot machines and poker games going on then we'll have a more even playing field for considering what is fair. And I could care less if the local bars stay open 24/7 if their patrons would stay inside and not cause the problems mentioned previously. Somehow I don't think the casino causes these type of problems but then thats farther from my neighborhood so I can't say for sure. Bars make noise at night, specially the ones that have the bands. That is to be expected and if I moved next to one I'd get what I deserved. The public complaints have been about the behavior of those outside the bars. If this can be solved by education, policing (private and public) and/or business hour restrictions then I'm for whatever works. Honestly, I could care less if some folks choose to exchange dna quietly in the back of a car. But it becomes public business when they throw the evidence out the window which someone (emphasis) will have to pick up eventually. That is just downright wrong. Sorry if I ramble....

Posted by OldGrandDad (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 8:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, aw come on. I got my smiley face on :)

Posted by imnms017 (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 11:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I live about a thousand miles away from Natchez now, but I generally stick to my guns when it comes to standing up for the South and especially Mississippi and Natchez. However, when I read some of these postings, it's hard not to see ignorance in the making.

If you go to any of a number of cities considered to be prime "tourist destinations" in the U.S., you'll find something in common: last call at 1:45, and closing time at 2a.m. You'll find it in D.C. (the largest tourist city in the U.S.), Virginia Beach, most of NYC, Charleston, etc. It's not Jake being some crazy progressive: it's Jake trying to move Natchez into the league of some great tourist spots. Natchez has to move along and get cleaned up so it can move (back) into the rankings.

Keep working towards a cleaner city and it'll happen.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 12:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Hey look Old Grand, I found something for ya...hehehe

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Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

What time does Vicksburg bars close, or Biloxi, and Gulfport bars? Seems like Natchez would need to compete with other casino towns.

Posted by noneya (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 12:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't really see a problem with the bars staying open till the cows come home IF (mighty big word for so few letters)the doors are kept closed except for entry and departure and the patrons are not allowed to loiter outside or carry drinks outside (dosen't Natchez have an open container law?), The area does indeed need cameras to be viewed over the internet 24/7. This would aid in deterring crime as well as inappropriate behavior. Trash bins would also help. Motion lights would probably help homeowners in the area in stopping pedestrians from urinating in their yards (as would the SOUND of a gunshot a time or two for sure). I personally feel a business owner has the right to conduct their business in their own time frame, not someone elses. Just my opinion...thank you. And IF a person owns a home in a business district, well, you knew that when you bought your property.

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 4:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

maybe cops walking the sidewalks more often would clean things up

I often see disgusting trash in the parking lots of the shopping malls around town and in my yard on Sunday morning also

so I don't think this problem is just downtown around the clubs and bars

Posted by Krogers (anonymous) on August 6, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't see the attraction to staying out past 2am myself, yet I can remember in my younger days doing that

I wish I could catch that guy that keeps throwing his tobacco spitjar in my yard..........
reminds me of Chevy Chase trying to catch that guy speeding with the loud truck in his neighborhood..............

we all have pet peeves, but I say let the barowners run their business , until their patrons continue to get out of hand and cause problems, then there are ways that neighbors can intervene if there is just cause.

In The Mix was on Commerce St. for a while and their patrons kept having disturbances, drug paraphanalia was out on the street, neighbors complained lots about the loud noise, etc. They were forced to move by the complaining neighbors.

Posted by Omega (anonymous) on August 7, 2008 at 12:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

For you bar hoppers, good news. For the “close early bunch”, bad news. It will take more than a city ordnance to get the bars to close at 2 AM. In most locations in the state alcohol sell is shut off at 2 AM. However, and I can’t believe no one has brought this up yet, Natchez along with a few other places in MS are “designated resort areas”. The “designated resort area” in the STATE LAW is what give the businesses the right to serve alcohol 24/7. Any ordnance passed by the city will start a law suit that will cost the city a bunch of money and the city will more than likely loose. Any change will have to be done by removing Natchez as a “designated resort area” by the state. That seems like it might be bad for the tourist business to do that.

Posted by hellcat (anonymous) on August 11, 2008 at 4:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Bravo Omega, good to see someone is doing their homework. Reading the posts reminded me, never argue with an idiot, the spectators can't tell the difference.