Posted by hopefloats (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 6:01 a.m. (Suggest removal)

When do we start? Enough waste!

Posted by triscuit (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I hope Lazarus' interest in recycling gets Adams County where it needs to be, where communities half the size of Natchez were 25 years ago, and that is with a curbside pick-up of recyclables!

Thanks Matilda for giving credit where credit is due! The history you give on recycling in our area jives with my personal memory of the topic, and I'm sure ND staff will benefit from your concise presentation. Pertinent details from even five years ago might be elusive to ND's ever young and green, though talented, reporters.

Posted by matildastephens (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)

SW Miss Mental Health's LifeSkills program had the first and only recycling program in Natchez for several years....the program- Magnolia Industries- accepted all recycables except glass and employed mentally ill and developmentally disabled adults. It worked in close partnership with several other businesses and agencies such as Walmart, Downtown Development, the City of Natchez, etc. There were drop-off points around Natchez but the amount of trash- including dead animals- that people put in the recyling bins made it impossible to maintain the bins. It was a wonderful program that gave many individuals, who would have not had the chance to work, an opporunity to be productive citizens. That is the only recycling program I know of. Also, Darryl Grennell has been trying to get recycling started in the county since before Magnolia Industry closed in 2004. He has long been an advocate of its value.

Posted by fire39212 (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It will take awhile for people to do this most especially if they have to take it to drop offs...

Posted by kpage (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I feel the best solution was the one matildastephens spoke of. Why in the world would such a workable solution such as that be stopped, other than because of dead dogs? Did someone get bored with the project? What a shame. And how come no one toots Darryl's horn? Like Ms. Stephens said, he's been an advocate since before the closure of Magnolia Industries. This is so backwards, people. I remember the LifeSkills program...my boss at the time employed these workers for several jobs. I remember thinking "what a wonderful program" and hoped no one would lose interest. It's a shame it's gone.

Thanks for your wonderful input, Ms. Stephens.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm sure President-elect Gore would be proud.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It needs to be curbside or it will not have a chance of working. Ready the studies and you will see that is correct. Look up studies that Texas did and the study The Colony in Texas did and you may see what is being done across America that does work.

But any recycling is better than none.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

recycle everything, not just select things that pay more, Paper. Plastic, Metal AND Glass. Who cares about horn tooting? Actions do speak louder than words.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 12:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mike...be careful, your setting yourself up to become part of Enkikur's UN Agenda 21 conspiracy to take over the world...LOL.

Posted by matildastephens (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

recycling glass takes a whole different type of setting because of the hazards involved. Also the shipping of glass was extremely expensive and not cost-effect for what we did in Magnolia Industries. It is very difficult for an individual to make a "business" out of recycling because predicting your profit margin is next to impossible...the market fluctuates greatly from month to month. You might get paid $100 a ton one week and $35 the next...not good when you are trying to determine consistency in revenue to balance expenses. Magnolia Industries was able to make it work because they were non-profit and fell under the umbrella of what is defined as a sheltered workshop. I am not sure why the business closed....it was still operation when I left the program.

Posted by redusmfan (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 1:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Matilda,

I hope all is going well with your endeavors. I wish that every town in Mississippi would have to recycle. I wish it was a state law. I hope that enough interest will be generated to re-open Magnolia industries. Any industry that helps the disabled residents deserves to be congratulated. My hats off to all that work with these less fortunate citizens.

The Red USM Fan

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 1:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

recycling is recycling..... glass should be included.
it's not about making money, it's about making difference,

I read where the city sanitation director of New Orleans said recycling was obsolete and that's plain stupid.

Evidently the N.O. city council felt it was stupid too because they are pushing forward on reinstating the recycling programs that Mayor Nagin's felt obsolete and did not pursue the option in their awarding of increased garbage contracts in the Post Katrina chocolate city.

the previous recycling and future there will include GLASS.
some of my friends down there currently pay a private service to do curbside recycling deemed obsolete by the city, and they pick up GLASS.

Glass is a recyclable, sustainable material. it's not right to throw it in the landfill because the system does not seem to make it a profitable option.

that mentality needs to change.
Recycling needs to include GLASS!!

Posted by matildastephens (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bobaloo...I agree that glass needs to be recycled. But, it is more hazardous to handle (because the glass must be broken before shipping) than other recycables....my agency was not willing to take the risk with the clients we served. There is a recycling plant outside of Baton Rouge that includes glass. But that process is in a different part of the facility than the others. I also agree that recycling should be about making a difference...but the business won't last long unless you carefully build a budget based on feasible revenue....people don't work for free and the materials, equipment, and gas needed to transport these materials don't run on goodwill. Some money has to come in to cover the expenses of operating the program.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 6:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Bobaloo...your statement "recycling is recycling..... glass should be included. it's not about making money, it's about making difference,"...is just ridiculous on it's face. Any recycling endeavor must be financially feasible...yours is an outrageouis Al Gore kind of statement with all the fascism and socialism that implies.

Figure out a way to make money from mosquitoes or poison ivy and they would fast become endangered species...that is capitalism!

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 7:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oops, typo, that should be "outrageous".

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enk...what a pleasant surprise reunion!...your tongue in cheek is obvious and only makes your cheek poke out...LOL.

Bobaloo does understand, that's the scary part. I'm proud to be considered at the top of the list come "Purge" time, to you want me to put in a word for you since I know you're wanting on the list too?

I am soooo sorry I'm a social criminal! I really loved Comrade Uncle Joe!

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

See that you do. And be sure to report any suspicious non-tourist activity you encounter to the NCVB. And now, my friend, I must go and darn the gold star on my right sock for I have walked a hole in it protecting the Homeland from overfull landfills.

EnKiKur
Secretary General
Bureau of Homelandfill Security

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 8:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You need to get onboard with the concept of social enterprise Sam. Making money is just part of the triple bottom line. Having good intentions and feeling good about those intentions make up the other two parts. There is far more to quality of life than the trough feeding capitalism you so often spout. Bobaloo understands that.

Keep it up Sam and when the Purge begins you'll be at the top of the list. I'll try to intervene for re-education camp for you but I can't promise anything since you are so far gone already. I'd be practicing confessing my social criminality if I were you; it will go easier on you in the long run if you appear contrite.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Enk..are you in the Eastern time zone? I read your note and responded, but your note now is stamped 8:52pm when it's only 8:10pm here in CDST. Maybe the ND has a time machine and is moving at warp speed.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I am in a time flux Sam. Sorry for the confusion. The Hiesenberg Compensator Circuit on the Time Module on this computer is malfunctioning.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Those darn Hiesenberg Compensators will really wipe you out...fifteen is my limit baby...LOL.

Posted by EnKiKur (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I must caution you, Comrade, levity is not productive. The Homeland is depending on your loyalty. Why are you not out going door to door on your street looking for recyclables? I have just returned and feel quite superior to you.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sorry commissar...I was too busy ROTFLMAO...I'll try to pick up a few extra pop bottles tomorrow.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 10:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I'm signing off too, I must prepare for the great patriotic tree hugging event in defense of the motherland tomorrow...I might even get lucky and catch a speckled trout, but it'll be difficult to find a tree near the pier unless I hug a creosote 6x6...however, I shall do my best comrade and endeavor to persevere.

Special Secretary to the Secretary General
Bureau of Homelandfill Security
Office of Real Property Management and Water Rationing(as opposed to UNREAL property)
Department of Agenda 21 Propagation
Division of...uh, damn, the bureaucracy has gotten so large I forgot who I'm working for...LOL.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 15, 2008 at 10:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Man this is sooo weird...my Hiesenberg Compensator must be acting up too or the ND posting is screwy, my clock only says 9:18pm...nah, couldn't be the ND, it must be that wacky compensator...LOL.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 16, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)

With any luck, Sam, the rest of us will tolerate you for your recycling value.

Posted by priya (anonymous) on August 16, 2008 at 12:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Im going out to buy three more trash cans for my kitchen so I can recycle too!!!!

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 16, 2008 at 8:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)

priya...are those trash cans going to be recyclable?...Have you ever tried to actually throw away a trash can?...It's almost impossible to do...the trash guys just won't take them...LOL.

Yeahuhuh...what is a human being's recycled worth now these days? Does party affiliation affect the value? We conservatives don't need to be recycled, it's automatic...we just wait for the liberals to self destruct...LOL. I appreciate your toleration and I'll reciprocate...with a grin and good humor of course.

Posted by freedom42 (anonymous) on August 16, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)

You are so right about the trash can. Left one for 3 weeks at the front for the collectors. Ended up putting it in husbands shop to hold short pieces of wood for future projects. I guess you could say we "recycled" it!

Posted by BigDood (anonymous) on August 17, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)

It is good to think out of the Box . We just need more people to do this . No bad coming from an ACCS Grad.

Posted by iomo (anonymous) on August 17, 2008 at 2:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Individuals have been recycling in this town for over 30 years. Off and on anyone could recycle paper, aluminum, copper and scrap metal as long as there was a place to sell it. What we need now is an organized effort of the entire town, so I hope the supervisors go for it.

Posted by Bobaloo (anonymous) on August 17, 2008 at 11:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)

what's ridiculous Mr. Mohon, is that everything must have a profit margin when it comes to helping out the environment. it's not ridiculous, please do not insult my intelligence.

It is about change and not remaining to be status quo, which is where your "ridiculous" accusations come from

You are an architect right?

designed any energy efficient properties lately?
my guess is no.

Now, that's ridiculous.

Dinosaur architects and contstruction techniques and materials need to change.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 18, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yes Sam party affiliation affects someone's recycle value.

If you had a large carbon footprint the rest of us sigh and release a small cloud of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere in a tiny memorial effort. Then the liberals party free from guilt, and the conservatives get stinking drunk to forget for a while. he,he!

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 18, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Babaloo...please call me Sam, Sam I Am, The Cat In The Hat or almost anything else, but Mr. Mohon?...they even called my grandfather Mr. Mo, and my father Buddy, but I've never known a Mr. Mohon...we're much too friendly for that!

The profit margin incentive is just simply human nature, as I tried to illustrate with my humorous remark about mosquitos and poison ivy. Most people don't have your altruistic nature including Al Gore...did he invent carbon credits like he did the internet...probably, just so he could justify to eco-nazis his eco-unjustifiable lifestyle...lighten up.

My point, in case you missed it, is that if you want people to recycle, make it worth their while. Give them a personal investment in doing so!

Regarding your question about my designing of energy efficient buildings...the answer is YES...your guess is wrong. The problem is that energy efficiency, which has a bottom line incentive value to a client, is far different from the sometimes outrageous and actually unsustainable requirements of eco-terrorists assisted by a well-meaning, but naive liberal politicians. I'm all for building smart and being efficient and friendly to the ecology, but common sense has to play a big part.

For instance, the ultimate renewable resource WOOD, is not eco-friendly or desired according to Federal LEEDS requirements unless it is certified by the Forestry Stewardship Council. The FSC is a private organization that controls and certifies only 2% of all forests in the entire country making it almost impossible for anyone to get LEEDS credits for framing, cabinets, trim or anything else made of WOOD! It's lunacy, most wood producers actually practice more stringent forestry than the FSC promotes, but they are locked out. It flies in the face of common sense and THAT'S RIDICULOUS!

It's similar to the asbestos scare, which was nonsensical, abolishing a perfectly good, natural mineral as a construction material and drove and entire industry along with the jobs it represented, out of existence simply because a few trial lawyers wanted to make a lot of money...but that's another story.

Man, it's getting absurd when a human can't fire up the wood burning grill and bar-b-que a chicken without getting smacked down by Al Gore, PETA or the Sierra Club. How will we eat when global warming or cooling or ozone or whatever the catastrophe du jour reduces us to subsistence level?

Have you ever wondered how many more trees are wasted publishing debates about saving trees? Have you ever wondered how many trees die to print advertising saying that this paper has 25% recycled consumer content? What about the extra money required to collect that consumer content, the extra energy and water required to reuse it?

You used a typically Liberal knee jerk reaction when critically challenged by a conservative...you got personal...doesn't say much for your arguments, tactics or strategy.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 18, 2008 at 9:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh...because I'm a stinking rich conservative (I'm really not rich)...I can afford the carbon credits to offset my carbon footprint...that makes you poor non-paying Liberals irresponsibly creating green house gases just to sigh and tsk...tsk.

You did, inadvertently, put your finger on one primary difference between Liberals and Conservatives...Liberals care about, worry about and have guilt about everything except humans being (intentional spelling) and particularly Americans being Americans...we, Conservatives, prefer to focus on people and particularly American people and we have zero guilt about that!

BTW, Peace007 couldn't enjoy gin laced Kool Aid nor could I enjoy my single malt scotch without carbon credits due to the smoke required to produce each...I don't feel real guilty about my scotch...does Peace feel guilty about the gin?...things that make you go hmmm.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam, I never thought you were that successful to call yourself a stinking rich conservative, but thanks for setting the record straight. Most folks who glom onto a cheerleader team like you have with your FOX worldview just like wearing the tights and being seen in an effort to one day BE rich, He,he! And I mean that in the nicest possible way!

I know it's got to be hard for you seeing your side only able to cough up their most liberal member for a candidate, and I know it's a shame he can't lie like the rest of em. And I know it's got to be hard blowing a chance at a permanent Republican majority over the last 8 years. I know how much you guys wanted that to go with your respect for democracy. But you'll make it. Throw yourself into your work! he,he!

If it's any consolation it doesn't look like either side actually represents you in Washington. All the free market types seem to be on the take.

You might do like I do and just try to vote in whichever side is least competent at lying. It's much easier to keep an eye on them.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in everyway...each time sammo looks in the mirror, he gets better looking each day...to know him is to love him...he must be a heck of a guy...oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, but I don't think that he even tries.

LOL

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 4 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Why should I feel guilty about the gin sammo, it was only cyberhol? Anyways, since I've joined cyberholics anonymous, I've even had to give that up. Hi, my name is Peace007 and I'm a cyberholic. Just straight koolaid please; sugar free. Can't get me off your mind, huh?

So, do you feel guilty about being stinking rich while others have to do without? Voting Republican helps you stay high up on the hog that way, right? That's why I will vote Democrat, because they always help the less fortunate; whatever you do unto the least of these, you do unto Jesus. You've never designed or even imagined a mansion that can compare to the ones in my Father's Kingdom (the original architect). Does designing give you that feeling of being like the creator?

*Sigh*

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 4:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Mo, huh...I REMEMBER you now. Larry, Curly, & Mo.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)

I don't think ya'll should dis on Sam for being an architect, or expect him to match heavenly design details. And if he says that nobody should try anything without a financial incentive you know there are a lot of people with that opinion.

He does act like one of those guys who has a battlefield model set up in his den with waves of plastic toy liberals and conservatives battling away, fighting for governance of the homeland, with little dabs of red fingernail polish on some of the liberals. FOX blares in the background as brave comentators talk over liberal guests before they can answer the last question. His liberals are probably all bisexual and the men are wearing dresses, and his conservatives good white men and the boys they like on the sly and a few of the most ambitious blacks that dress well in the style of the majority.

I bet he even has oil wells and a few terrorists he can save us from because "they hate our freedom".

he,he! Aren't folks who think in stereotypes cool?

(my tongue is so far over in my cheek that I almost choked, He,he!)

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 7:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)

My tongue is over in my cheek too, but that's only because I just bit the side of my mouth, over and over...ouch.

The only thing I feel guilty about is allowing character assasinations to have me responding likewise. I just hate it when I lose control. But, I was only joking with SamMo.

Obama is a much better person than I. He just spoke on the news and made me feel guilty for some of the things I've posted to keep it fair.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 8:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks for your admission of guilt Peace...BTW, neither you nor Yeah apparently read what I said in parenthesis above...you misrepresent me to say that I'm rich when I plainly said I was not...you even missed the opportunity I left you to say something sophomoric like..."yeah, you're not rich, but you still stink...he, he!"

Yeahuhuh...I actively follow your advice about voting for the side least able to lie, that's why I'm a conservative. The Dems have been lying to the poor (particularly blacks) for decades, taking advantage of them for their votes. They then soak the workers with taxes and cripple the poor with welfare. The conservative alternative is to give the people, all of them, opportunities to succeed and become rich.

It's amazing to me that many rich people who once were poor almost always switch affiliations when they realize that the liberal philosophy is what held them down for so long. Enjoy your guilt...you deserve it.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 19, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)

LOL, SamMo, I was just thinking that since you're going to vote Republican and I'm going to vote Democrat, there's really no point in you even going to vote...since my vote will cancel yours...hehehe And besides, McCain could pick Hillary to be his running mate, and then what?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam I did read what you had in parenthesis (I just didn't buy it). Anyways, at the time I was trying to figure out how many other nics you're using besides sammo and yeahuhuh. Which one is the real you?

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace007...Only the one AKA...Sam I Am...The Cat In The Hat...sammohon, that's me...beware of imitators...and I'm by no means rich, heck, I've one kid in college and another there next year and savings ain't gonna do it...LOL...I'm thinking though that I might be able to convince Billy Mays to sell my opinions and become a zillionaire overnight...what do you think?...I'd become a pundit and an entrepreneur over night...the guy can sell ice to Eskimos...I've often said that if I won the lottery I'd just keep practicing architecture until the money ran out...LOL.

Regarding the idea of just not voting...OK, let's not and just say we did...wink, wink...see you at the polls...you'll know me...heck, everyone does, I won't know you unless you tell me... then let's shake hands and go vote!...republican democracy is grand isn't it!

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Having never smelled you sam, it wouldn't have made much sense for me to say that you stink. I can tell that you are a really intelligent person and whether or not you're rich or poor makes little difference to me. I would be interested to know if you've ever designed any haybale homes or what type of designs are you into? What have you designed in Natchez/

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:57 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace...thank you for taking the noble path regarding the stink thing, also thank you for your kind analysis of my intellect, though I wasn't looking for the stroking...I really just say what I think...right or wrong...I like the debate!

I am in reality middle income, cash strapped just like most everyone else...and that should matter.

I've never designed a haybale home...no real reason or opportunity to do so except to make a name for myself in Architectural Digest or Progressive Architecture magazines.

Most of my work is commercial or institutional and on a larger scale meaning that much isn't in Natchez...I also can't really divulge much for proprietary and legal reasons and this really isn't the venue, but email me and maybe I can point out some of my work you're familiar with that you didn't know.

How is this germaine?

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Excuse me SamMo, but who is germaine?

I noticed what you wrote to Yeahuhuh,

"The Dems have been lying to the poor (particularly blacks) for decades, taking advantage of them for their votes. They then soak the workers with taxes and cripple the poor with welfare. The conservative alternative is to give the people, all of them, opportunities to succeed and become rich."

Going on the last 16 years, alone, I have to think that financially for most people the first 8 were the best. Most of us could at least afford to leave the house and eat, back then. And when the gas prices got high (and what was high back then was $2/gal) President Clinton opened up the oil reserves and the prices went down to .78/gal. So, you know, I keep hearing the talk, but in my mind, the talk doesn't match the walk.

As far as us bumping into one another at the voting booth, I'm sure that will never happen, since you will be voting in the ritzier disctrict. Many people may know you, but the people I know, don't, so there goes someone pointing you out to me, lol. Without going into more detail, I'm not interested enough in what you've done to email you. I hope that doesn't hurt your feelings. As a matter of fact, I'm sure it won't. Cya

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 12:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Sam. Sam. Sam.

You seem to have bought into thoughts that most of the Republican politicians I have known will admit in private are oversimplified talking points designed to stick in simple minds.

I think you should write anonymously for a while. Losing the name might build the substance in your message.

It appears to me that people attack you because you come off self-righteous -- a whining, demanding, biting conservative -- among the least dignified and needy entitlement-to-power demanders on the planet. Your intransigence about how you go thought to thought and your desire to qualify your thoughts with your own overarching conclusions makes you ripe for a verbal punch. Just human nature.

One self-righteous creep to another, He,he!

Posted by sentas (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh, it must be a deep sense of civic duty that compels you to share your consistently thoughtful commentary on these here pages. I don't think you're making a dent, but the effort is tremendous.

And no, I'm not being facetious.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeahuhuh...substitute the word "liberal" for the word "conservative" and the word "Democratic" for "human" in your next to the last paragraph of your previous missive and you've got it right...good for you!...only two words and one party off the mark...LOL.

Posted by sammohon (anonymous) on August 20, 2008 at 9 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Peace007...the 8 years you speak of so fondly were the years the US finally saw the Cold War dividend and policies voiced by Reagan and imposed on Clinton by a Republican Congress led by Newt Gingrich and the Contract with America.

Posted by Peace007 (anonymous) on August 21, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Mo, that's what I keep hearing Republicans say. But, it doesn't really make sense to me...because when a Democrat is in office things get better, while when a Republican is in office the middle class and the poor can barely afford to live. But if that's the case, as you say, when are the great GWB years going to hit us and make it all better? I hope they kick in soon.

Posted by Yeahuhuh (anonymous) on August 28, 2008 at 7:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Yeah, Sam, and Clinton had the good sense not to veto them on ideological grounds, start a war for oil or to get even with someone, or let his Vice President wage an ideological campaign to seize power in the Middle East and Soviet sphere.

I have often felt that the combination of parties worked best, but the reason we have to stomp Republicans face down into the dirt is their nasty little plan to rig a permanent majority in a democratic republic when they held power. They are too dangerous to give them trust. Let them and you be governed by someone else for a while and maybe you'll learn some humility, he,he!

Peace, you know if things go well during Obama's tenure they will find a sexual impropriety or a Swift Boat to destroy him. In their pervue, an election won by preventing the other side from voting is still won. That speaks volumes.